Why is John Edwards so angry?

[johnnydrama]

Wasn't this the meme on the right, and in the press during the time he was running?

What's he got to be so angry about?

Well i'll tell you. John Edwards was angry about people in this country constantly getting shafted by the people
in Washington. And he was passionate about it. And he spoke about it passionately.

And the elites in the press, and in Washington went after him for it.

And here today, you have the 100 million dollar candidates telling us, that nobody in America is bitter. They just need to roll up their sleeves a bit, and everything will work out fine. Does that mean that they haven't been rolling up their sleeves for the last 20 years as well? Things are looking bad in the country, and you're just not working hard enough.

Is that what they're trying to tell us?

[FrenchieCat]

1. great point!

Pennsylvanians are just not working hard enough! They need to roll up their sleeves!

[chknltl]

2. It did sorta sound that way to me....

I dunno, I am tired of fartin' smoke. Maybe, just maybe we will get a real deal President with little interest in blowin' smoke up our asses!... I have HOPE because it currently appears that we just might get THAT real deal President when all this smoke and kitchen stink clears.
Yes We Can, Damnit!

[DearAbby]

3. That was the very reason I supported Edwards

Bitter much? I guess so...years and years of feeling we have no voice in Washington. Feeling like you are being shafted by those you elected to Washington, makes people bitter.

Hillary basically said to Americans hurting in this economy...to "Eat cake" People dont have any reason to be bitter and angry...easy for her to say.

[saracat]

4. John edwards would NEVER have spoken about the small towns of Pennsylvania in the manner Obama did.

[datopbanana]

5. What did he say about small towns that was bad?

He said Washington isn't delivering on economic promises so voters vote based on other issues they find important like gun ownership and religion (probably abortion, gay-marriage type stuff)

[anonymous171]

6. Yep. He would've said that hey need to work harder and pull themselves out of poverty

instead of feeling bitter towards the broken Washington establishment that put them in that place.

[earth mom]

50. self delete

[jackson_dem]

11. Exactly. Edwards criticized Washington but almost had a saintly view of small town folk

The problem isn't the bitter part, it is the condescension. Why can't Obamites understand something so simple?

[anonymous171]

Hillary doesn't give a shit about small town folk.

The senator from Punjab cares only for the little votes, nothing else. She'll leave and forget about them soon enough.

[jackson_dem]

14. What does Clinton have to do with Obama's bigotry?

[anonymous171]

16. Obama's not a bigot and you know it. So kindly be quiet.

[jackson_dem]

18. Are you a mind reader? I am not

[anonymous171]

21. Then why do you claim that Obama is a bigot?

Do you know for a fact?

[jackson_dem]

22. He made a bigoted statement and that is all I can go on

[anonymous171]

24. It is not bigoted. It is an accurate statement.

[jackson_dem]

28. BS. The vast majority of small town folk are good people who aren't bigots

Obama has a warped view. Perhaps it is because he went to a racist church, presumably populated by a sea of other racists. Most people are not like Wright's flock.

[anonymous171]

30. You mean racists like Michael Pfleger, a white roman catholic priest?

And he didn't say they were bigots. You're paraphrasing.

[jackson_dem]

35. There are bigots everywhere. Louis Farrakhan himself lives in Obama's neigbhorhood!

[anonymous171]

38. Are you calling Father Michael Pfleger a racist for regularly speaking at a "racist church"?

[jackson_dem]

40. I don't who he is. I presumed you were referring to a random small town bigot

[anonymous171]

45. From a small town called Hope perhaphs?

[jackson_dem]

49. I am sure there are bigots from Hope, just as there are bigots in Chicago and Kansas

[datopbanana]

32. you have a warped view from your hate of the candidate

[jackson_dem]

33. Perhaps but your view is also warped by love for Obama

Let's see how the people react. See Koch, Ed...

[datopbanana]

37. I'm not trying to twist statements to bring people down. I'm taking him at what he said and feels

[jackson_dem]

42. What he said in San Fran to millionaires or what he said to regular people in Indiana?

[datopbanana]

48. he said the same thing in...

indiana as he did in San Fran. Except in Indiana he expanded his statement to longer than 1 sentence so people wouldn't be able to misrepresent it.

[datopbanana]

13. What's condescending about what he said?

[DearAbby]

61. John tells the truth

and so did Obama....by the way Sara, do you get dizzy spinning so long and hard as you do?

[Breeze54]

7. What the HELL are you smoking?

"and here today, you have the 100 million dollar candidates telling us, that nobody in America is bitter."


Have you lost all your TV antenna's and your cable TV hookup? :shrug:

I've only heard ONE dipshit spewing that crap and he wasn't a DEM!!! :grr:

[SKKY]

62. Actually, that's EXACTLY what HRC said.

[jackson_dem]

8. Edwards venerated small towns and small town folks. He didn't denigrate them

[datopbanana]

9. How did he denigrate them?

He said Washington isn't delivering on economic promises so voters vote based on other issues they find important like gun ownership and religion (probably abortion, gay-marriage type stuff).

[jackson_dem]

12. By calling them bigots, irrationally religious, irrationally for hunting

What did Edwards say? He said "In small towns, hunting and gun ownership is a way of life." He didn't say it was a refuge for stupid pawns who don't know what the proper response should be.

[anonymous171]

15. Never called them bigots.

Hillary said they just needed to roll up their sleeves and work harder.
Don't question the status quo.

[jackson_dem]

19. He said they all hate people who are "not like them" and immigrants. That=bigots

[anonymous171]

23. nope. Didn't say bigots, so he didn't call them bigots.

And he said that the root of the problem lay with politics (like Bill C and Bush)using wedge issues to gather votes and then forget about the region.

[datopbanana]

29. Oy. I know you're trying hard to the see quote in a negative light but...

it's obvious the negative feelings he said they express are towards immigration and trade laws that may take away their jobs and not hate towards the immigrants themselves.

[jackson_dem]

36. "antipathy to people not like them"

[anonymous171]

41. does not equal bigot.

[jackson_dem]

43. Are you serious? Dislking someone based on race/religion/ethnicity automatically is not bigoted?

[anonymous171]

46. but he didn't call them bigots.

[jackson_dem]

52. "they hate people of a different color, ethnicity". You fill in the blank...

[datopbanana]

54. he didn't anything anywhere near that.

its about competition not about race/religion/ethnicity. I don't want 20 million people graduating from college with the same degree i have because it means less opportunity for me.

[jackson_dem]

55. "antipathy to people not like them". What is that referring to?

[datopbanana]

56. he's refering to the way everyone feels about anyone trying to take their job

[datopbanana]

44. yes in that they are competition. like how an veteran baseball player sees a promising rookie

it's about the job. not about their beliefs, customs, heritage, views, or how they look

[jackson_dem]

53. Oh. So racism is acceptable because there is a freak tribal competition?

What happened to Barack's "we are all one" rhetoric? There are no tribes. There are individuals. You don't compete for jobs as a tribe but as a person.

[datopbanana]

58. oh lord. THERE'S NOTHING RACE-RELATED ABOUT IT

If we opened up a portal to a parallel USA. The people of PA or anywhere else where there weren't enough jobs wouldn't want parallel universe americans flooding in

[datopbanana]

17. Here is the original quote

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

There are no bigot or irrational anything accusations or insinuations in there. You are warping his words far beyond any reasonable interpretation.

[jackson_dem]

25. Saying they have antipathy to people who "aren't like them" or immigrants isn't calling them bigots?

What is?

Hey Obamites, why is what he meant by "anti-trade sentiment" lost on you all? No Obamite has commented on that. He means YOU. He is a "free" trader.

[anonymous171]

26. lol. At least Obama didn't help BC pass NAFTA. That was all Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

31. He is more pro "free" trade now than Clinton,

What he said to millionaires is very revealing as to what he thinks of folks like us who have "anti-trade sentiment"...

[anonymous171]

34. How do we know how anti-free trade Clinton is if she can't stop lying about her record?

[jackson_dem]

39. She is pro "free" trade. So is Obama. This is one reason I supported Edwards

[anonymous171]

10. Obama didn't denigrate them.

He didn't say that they weren't "communitarian" for not having a female governor or anything.

[JVS]

20. Do you think the veneration of small towns in proper?

[jackson_dem]

27. There are just as many good folks in small towns as in Chicago, Cambridge, MA, Kansas, and Kenya

Too bad the "uniter" can't look past his prejudices to realize that. :(

[Divine Discontent]

47. Edwards really should endorse Obama the weekend before the primary

I think it would help end this farce. Yes, Edwards might have said what Obama said slightly differently, but nothing Obama said was demeaning to Pennsylvanians, and they ARE pissed, and Clinton is so friggin out of touch she doesn't get it. It was great hearing the Clinton response nearly mimic the faux rage response of the McSame campaign! ha...

C'Mon John, endorse him, and if you want that health care coverage for all, tell him that's what he needs to embrace for your endorsement!

(that may be the case? anyone else think that?)

[jackson_dem]

51. They are pissed--they are not bigots and fools who cling to hunting and religion

I think it is more simple: he thinks Obama can't win. That is what all the reports about his thinking suggest. He prefers Obama but thinks he can't win--and this was before pastorgate, before his "typical white comment", and before smalltowngate. Why endorse someone who would lead to four years of McSame?

[Divine Discontent]

57. lead to 4 years of McSame?

I doubt that...


http://www.electoral-vote.com/


Just STARE at the states that Obama throws into play against McSame that Hillary could NEVER do the same! Texas is a great example - just look at that stat - and so many others. Wanna acknowledge that? Talk about hurting McSame's finances by putting those states in play - wow!

[earth mom]

59. Edwards would have fought with everything he had for the working class & poor. Obama won't.

Yes, the working class is bitter because they don't believe a word out of the mouths of 3 bullshitters that are running for president.

Obama pisses the working class off most of all because he never ever says anything of substance. It's ALL hype that they've already seen on Oprah.



p.s. Obama is just bitter that everyone doesn't like him. :puke:

[Inspired]

60. It wasn't just the meme of the right. Remember Dodd's comment?

He said something like this. "I don't know why John is so angry."

That remark came from one of our own....and it WAS NOT HELPFUL to the causes that most Democrats care deeply about.

If we all aren't angry, then we haven't been paying attention.

[ErinBerin84]

63. let me also add

That is was John Edwards, not Obama, who pounced on Hillary's crying moment in NH -later Edwards struck a more symphathetic tone after he was criticized for it, but at first he implied that it demonstrated a lack of strength.

[Inspired]

64. He was wrong. It wasn't a lack of strength. It was a lack of character.

Because the whole thing was orchestrated and fake.

[ErinBerin84]

65. I agree

At the time that it was going on, I kind of thought that pundits were making too big a deal of it. Still, I didn't really think that it was an "authentic" moment. Well, maybe just in the sense of her showing that it is stressful and tiresome being on the campaign trail. But looking back...the way she would slip into "Some people are right on day one, some people are wrong on day one." Oh, Jesus Christ. I am so sick of the Day One crap. And the 3AM phone calls.

[Inspired]

66. Agreed. That is why I'm supporting Obama.

But I'll always be an Edwards Democrat.