Am I bitter?

[BooScout]

I don't think so, but I certainly have been called that by certain Obama Campers here.....and now it seems Obama thinks the good people of Pennsylvania that aren't climbing on his Magical Mystery Tour Bandwagon and drinking the koolaid are bitter too. Apparently everyone who doesn't have on their rose colored glasses and doesn't stomp and yell GOBAMA is bitter.

How about Obama gives credit to the people of Pennsylvania even if they don't have Ivy League degrees..............maybe they just have a clue and understand that Mr Obama is not the second coming? Seems to me that Mr Obama needs to get off his high horse and stop insulting all of Middle America with his elitist rhetoric.

[Danger Mouse]

1. Bwahahahahaha...

intentional misrepresentation, intellectual dishonesty, distortion?
hey, why not??? :shrug:

[cornermouse]

27. Okay.

I went and looked at your journal. I'm probably your mother's age so feel free to ignore me as I suspect you automatically will.

As you get older, things change. Your perspective on issues change, the issues themselves change, and the environment in which the issues exist change. Kids have always been suspended for playing pranks. I'm surprised you think people are telling you to sit down and shut up because you're young. Fact is, there's always going to be someone around to tell you that. Age is not a factor.

Zero tolerance? That's probably going to turn out to be one of those flexible issues. And by the way, I can't speak for elsewhere in the 50 states, but no one in this area would consider allowing someone to give shock therapy to an autistic child. We all know better than that.

[Danger Mouse]

36. I won't ignore you...

but why go through my journal and offer critiques?

[dkf]

2. Ummm...you sure sound bitter to me.

[KittyWampus]

28. your reply points to the most ironic, unintentionally funny thing in this forum yet.

:D

Hillary supporters shouldn't be bitter....

[HCE SuiGeneris]

3. Nominated.

For use of the most cliched expressions in an OP under 1000 words. Keeerist, what a joke.

[leftofcool]

4. When I have visited Pennsylvania

I have found the people to be hard working, optimistic and extremely friendly people. They don't seem bitter at all. Not to mention your yards and lawns........some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.

[cyclezealot]

5. some form of bitterness is deserved when we are being screwed.

I am from Michigan, we should be way beyond bitter. How about revolutionary.

[Skidmore]

6. "elitist rhetoric"....

straight from the RW book chapter on "latte-sipping libruls"...

I hear quacking.

[rodeodance]

16. REC

[Warren DeMontague]

7. You left out the part about "latte liberals", "spoiled fucking kids" and their "Obama cult"

Otherwise, I think you hit pretty much every square on the Empty, Bullshit Anti-Obama Meme bingo board.

[cali]

8. oh for fuck's sake. can people stop being stupid?

and cut the faux outrage. Obama didn't call you anything. And yes, some people are bitter and some are angry. If you're house is being foreclosed on because of predatory loan rates, you may be bitter. If you're working two jobs for $8 bucks an hour, you may be angry. And guess what? One can be both bitter and hopeful within minutes. Emotions are rarely static.

Oh, and most hillfans here strike me as very bitter.

[cornermouse]

14. But deep down you like them

and you really want them to vote for Obama. Yeah, right.

[cali]

20. yeah. and it's not even deep down.

I like them because they're my neighbors and acquaintances. My son went to school with their children. We all come together at the Grange bake sale or at a benefit for someone who doesn't have health insurance. I live in poor rural America.

[emanymton]

9. Bitter? What Is There To Be Bitter About?

.

An occupation of Iraq that is bankrupting USA?

No money for infrastructure repair in USA?

A trashed economy?

(The list is quite long.)

If one is not bitter and angry, it is because one is not paying attention!


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Bush lied, people died.
No Amnesty, no pardons no immunity!!
Hold them accountable!

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[datopbanana]

10. So you think washington is doing a swell job then?

you don't mind that they've never come through on their promise to restore the rust belt?

[rodeodance]

13. It was Obama who did not do a swell job by mocking the people in PA

[datopbanana]

15. there was no mocking. but your misrepresentation of what he said and faux outrage is noted.

[rodeodance]

19. Obama also dissed gun owners in PA

[DarienComp]

35. You're a liar. There was no mocking at all.

[tekisui]

11. Not recognizing bitterness in America, and the reasons for it is

Elitist.

[HereSince1628]

12. It was not useful to suggest people turn to guns and religion out of bitterness

about politicians not keeping promises. It is too broad a generalization and has all the problems associated with that.

With this statement Obama introduced guns and religion into the discourse in a manner that is facile and looks demeaning (as in condescending) of people's motivations to be religious or gun owning.

Moverover, in posing his explanation Obama set himself apart from/outside of the group he judged and priviledged the attitude of that outside position. It was not a great way to be seen as being a proverbial 'one of us.'

So?

I voted for Obama in the Wis. primary and I acknowledge that this statement of Obama was a gaff. Politicians make gaffs and their opponents jump on the gaffs. That's what we are witnessing.

I don't see it as a pattern.

If this is a pattern that will take him down, it needs a lot more evidence of additional similarly dumb statements.

And if it is a pattern I'll have to compare it to the pattern of hyperbole and parsing of reality that comes out of one of the other presidential candidates still in the race.

[datopbanana]

17. he said they turn to their next most important voting issues (2nd amendment and religion) when

their most important issue (economy) is being promised but never delivered.

[HereSince1628]

22. Maybe but look at this sentence...it really was a gaff. But why a week later?

"...it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The image it leaves is that Obama sees people as bitter gun carrying xenophobic isolationist church goers. Yikes! Undoubtedly not his intention.

But putting too many volatile concepts into a single sentence is a dangerous thing in our sound bite world. It was a gaff.


My question is why did it take a week to get out? Did someone want it to go off close enough to the PA primary that it couldn't have a chance to fade? Or does it just take that long for a blogger with a hot item to get it noticed?

[babylonsister]

23. Or is it a purposeful distraction from Bill's lying about Bosnia and

Hill's hysterical laughter? :think:

[HereSince1628]

25. It does seem odd that the recording took a whole newsweek to get out

It'd be interesting to know the whole story.

[babylonsister]

29. I'd like to know where it originated yesterday. nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. Do you actually live in Pennsylvania?

Have you ever lived there? Do you even have the slightest idea how fucked up things are in the state? Obama is right. People ARE bitter there, and they DO vote on stupid issues in part because they've completely lost faith in the federal government to do anything USEFUL in economic terms. I know this in my fucking blood. I grew up there. But I also think that Obama is a fucking idiot for having said this at a fundraiser in San Francisco. San Francisco is the butt of a joke to most people in that part of the country - a shining example of everything that's wrong with America.

[Saturday]

21. Isn't it funny how "hope" has been replaced with "bitter"?

Whatever Obama says, whatever Obama does is OK and now his supporters have gotten on the "bitter" bandwagon so they can defend his stupid comment.

[BooScout]

24. I'm thinking it's because they just realized.....

...that they are hopeless.:evilgrin:

[Petrushka]

26. Good-un! LOL (n/t)

[scheming daemons]

30. I know logic is lost on you Clintonistas.... but here goes...

A) People are bitter about the past 30+ years.... especially the last 7.5

B) Obama gives them hope that this can change.



Americans are "bitter", but they have "hope" that Obama can change things.


They're not incompatible themes.


You are either incredibly stupid, or incredibly tone-deaf.

[livetohike]

31. I see you're not from Pennsylvania

If you were alive and in Southwestern Pennsylvania in the early 1980's you would know Obama knows what he is talking about.

It's sad the truth hurts some.

[BlueJac]

32. What ding dong world do you live in?

I am a bitter 58 year old schinking middle class white guy, and I am not going to take it anymore!

[BooScout]

33. Lost your hope eh?

:eyes:

[emanymton]

34. Enjoy Poking Fun? Go For It. It makes You So Big.

.

You are only instigating trouble.

As your posts seem to indicate your positions are an 'either/or' no room for middle ground type of reasoning, is it not fair to ask you, what are you hoping for? Are you not bitter?

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