Guns, Religion and Racism

[crankychatter]

Any voter that might be effected by this tempest in a teapot already
KNOWS:

Obama's faith is Christian. He is not anti-Church. He subscribes to the "Social Gospel" which emphasizes Faith AND Works, the two oars in the water. They know, that he does NOT subscribe to the brand of Christianity that would consign people of diverse beliefs to Hell Fire. THEY KNOW IT ALREADY.

They know that our Constitutional Liberties have been stripped by the Bush Junta and they feel like fools. They KNOW they were conned, using the singular issues of the Second Ammendment and Abortion, to vote Republican and then have their ENTIRE BILL OF RIGHTS ATTACKED. They know this already. They are often now, anti-War, anti-Corruption, and FOR FISCAL SANITY. They may be "Conservative" but they're ready for change in DC. People are far more afraid of a Police State now, than creeping Socialism.

I'm an old guy. I grew up in a Segregated San Francisco. That's right, the segregated Left Coast. I know Southerners as well, because my extended family is full of Dust Bowl descendents. With educational efforts, and integration over the last 40 years, young people have changed. These young people are now middle aged.

Sure, some have been caught up in Lou Dobbs nightmare of fear mongering. But the vast majority take it all with a grain of salt.

In short, they KNOW THE GOP profers NO SOLUTIONS. They blame the GOP and the Clinton years for ALL OF THEIR SUFFERING. They KNOW who is responsible.

They've been exposed to twenty+ years of smear campaigns and machiavellian bullshit in the media. The truth is out there and people are WAKING UP.

Look how well we're doing and LOOK at the adversity we've faced. People simply are NOT BUYING THE BULLSHIT ANYMORE.


We just need a little time... some breathing space between the nomination and the General Election. Just a little window of opportunity. Four months, six months... just a little space.

When they hear, they get it... "Hey, this guy is nothing like they told me he was." So outrageous is their spin... that the contrast between the reality and their phony attacks is SO GLARING, folks ain't buying it.

[zalinda]

1. The Clinton years?

Yes, those damn Clinton years when everyone was making money and people's standard of living went up. Oh, and we had a surplus. Those damn Clinton years. The most popular dem President in decades, hell the most popular President in decades. That Clinton?

zalinda

[Texas Hill Country]

2. i think you mean the ONLY dem president in years... because he was the only one that won.

and to the OP...

yeah, they blame the GOP... is that why small town middle america consistently votes for the GOP?

yeah, they know...

:sarcasm:

[Liberal Gramma]

9. They vote their fears,not their hopes

They have been told the liberals will (fill in the blank here: take away their guns, make abortion mandatory, let immigrants take all the jobs) so they vote conservative. The real problems, outsourcing, downsizing, income inequality, guns instead of butter, can be solved by a Democratic agenda, but they vote from fear instead. This is the big con of American politics.

[crankychatter]

11. I'm here, ND, SD, Kansas and Missouri, Louisiana, Rural Georgia

I've been all over this country in the last ten years...

I'm just saying it... people are FED UP.

CSPAN everyday, they had Huckabee voters calling in saying they will VOTE FOR OBAMA if they're guy didn't get the nomination.

This phenomenon had the talking heads completely baffled.

This indicates something... by itself it is nothing... but it's the tip of an iceberg.

Given sufficient time to campaign, our guy will soar above ALL the polls.

you just wait...

:-)

[susankh4]

24. Huckabee voters calling in saying they will VOTE FOR OBAMA if they're guy didn't get the nomination.

Conservative religious fanatics?

I think they voted for GWB too.

Makes me feel real good about their choice this time....

Eeek!

[crankychatter]

25. Narrow and fake Progressive Purists are the Problem, not the Solution

You are why we lose.

We need to form coalitions with people of diverse beliefs along the lines of shared issues.

Poverty and fiscal irresponsibility are the shared issues here. Spiritual Values and genuine Family Values are shared issues.

Your attack there is indicative of your true position. Keep the Party small so the corrupt, corporate elite can keep control.

You're going to lose this time, and it's driving you crazy.

[zalinda]

29. Why do rural towns vote GOP?

It is very simple, and one that Clinton is trying to tap into. Rural people think that hard work is good. They believe that everyone should pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They believe that "liberals" like to throw good money after people who don't want to work. That is the plain and simple fact. It has absolutely nothing to do with God or guns, or gays, that's the media's spin on things.

zalinda

[boobooday]

3. Everyone was making money?

I don't think so. This is not supported by the facts. Or my personal experience, for that matter.

[Texas Hill Country]

4. actually, as an aggregate, it is 100% true.

[boobooday]

7. But how does it break down among income groups?

Who did the best?

[crankychatter]

15. Socio-Economic Stasis for the Majority

Unless you're in the business (and an owner) of providing services to the people that prosperred... YOUR LIFE GOT WORSE.

That's the truth... The Clinton Camelot is a fantasy.

NAFTA ate my lunch... how about YOU?

[boobooday]

21. NAFTA ate my Daddy's lunch

And my hometown.

[crankychatter]

8. NAFTA, CAFTA and THE WAR ON THE POOR - DotCom Boom NOTWITHSTANDING

yes, the Clinton Years

welcome to rural america

We do NOT trust DC insiders, get it?

ignored sure is verbiose and cranky...

omg they are cranky... make ME look like a damn sweetheart.

[AllentownJake]

6. Who is running

Bill or Hill?

[crankychatter]

10. The Clinton Legacy is running

like it or not

[AllentownJake]

13. Well

I don't view Hillary as Bill. I view Hillary as Hillary. I'm not voting on a "Legacy"
I'm voting for a President.

[susankh4]

22. That's the one!

During *that* Clinton's term my home nearly doubled in value.

[KAZ]

5. Great post! K&R

[OzarkDem]

12. Yes, all of us midwesterners are just gun toting racists

and Obama will come save us from our wretched lives of... (insert Rev. Wright speech here)

Obama is the MOST divisive and hateful candidate I've seen in many years. He is the new version of George Wallace.

[AllentownJake]

14. LOL

Now he's George Wallace? Go get a Pan and a spoon and work out your energy.

[OzarkDem]

16. Sexist pig, too?

Lovely, coming from a state that let the GOP run its Dem governor out of office then elected the Gropenator. :rofl:

[AllentownJake]

17. HUH?

I'm making fun of the people who bang pots over Keith O. Nothing sexist.

I'm from PA...we have a democratic govenor last time I checked unless he switched parties in the last 24 hours.

[crankychatter]

23. The TRUTH about the NBC Protest (pots and spoons)

That protest conflicted with the Tenth Anniversary of the Battle to End Violence Against Women...

V-Day in New Orleans... THOUSANDS of REAL ACTIVISTS attended and there was not ONE BIT OF MAINSTREAM MEDIA COVERAGE.

They scheduled their protest at NBC for the SAME DAY... without so much as a thought or a word on this matter.

This tells you who these protesters really are and their true agenda

They aren't Feminists and they aren't Activists. They don't care about the failures of the Corporate Media...

I have nothing but contempt for them.

[AllentownJake]

28. Sad thing

They were yelling on their bull horn while NBC was covering the woman soldier who was raped and killed. The pot bangers at home were mad that they were covering that story and not them.

[OzarkDem]

26. Banging pots

a kitchen reference.

[AllentownJake]

27. No

A dumb ass faux protest reference.

[mikekohr]

18. I'm White, Rural, Gun Owning, Working Class, And I've Met and Talked With Senator Obama

Opinions are like assholes, we all have one. Your opinion differs from my EXPERIENCE. Senator Obama is the most unifying, inspiring candidate for President since Robert F. Kennedy in 1968. A bullet killed the hope and promise of RFK. Words can kill hope and promise as well. Do not let your enthusiasm for your candidate be the gun that kills our hope in November.

We have lost 7 of 10 of the last presidential elections in large part because of the divisive words and invective we dump on each other. We lose the White House so often because we repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again.

Senator McSurge and Republican policies are our enemy. WE better learn to hang together or surely we will all hang separately.


mike kohr

[crankychatter]

19. thanks Mike and if no one has told you lately

welcome to DU

[mikekohr]

20. Happy to be here

Thanks.

mike kohr