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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:08 AM
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Neither Hillary or McCain are fit to lead this country, they both seek to polarize us and distort...
...Obama's comments for political gain. What type of leader would they make? One of the most important things a PRESIDENT must do is to unite this country, to lead this country and move this country forward. For Hillary and McCain to exploit Obama's words is beyond despicable.

Hillary supporters who will defend her reaction to Obama's words will defend her by claiming that she is not doing anything that the Republicans wouldn't do to Obama in the general and he better get used to it. I say FUCK THAT, Hillary is supposed to be a GOD DAMNED DEMOCRAT, she needs to live up to the standards of the Democratic party not the live the down to the divisive ways of the Republican party.

Hillary needs to understand she is running for the fucking nomination of the Democratic party and better start acting like a Democrat. For her to make this an issue, for her to promote and parrot Grover Norquist is absolute treason to the Democratic party.

To show you how fucking shameless Hillary is being lets look at an excerpt from the speech on race that Obama gave in Philadelphia on March 18, then let's look at his allegedly offending statements from this week and then tell me why he is being praised for the speech and then criticized for the comments. Call it political opportunity:

March 18:
-snip-
In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

This is where we are right now. It's a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy - particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.
-snip-

Recent comments from fundraiser:
-snip-
"The places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government ... everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the Black guy.' ... There were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today -- kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

"In a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism," Obama said to laughter.

"So the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? ... we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes ... roll back the tax cuts for the top on perent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we're gonna provide healthcare for every American.

"Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

"Now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical."
-snip-

It seems that any honest assessment of Obama's words would include a comparison to the speech he gave in Philadelphia, and that assessment would probably show what he said last week in San Francisco is not much different than what he said in Philadelphia. Obviously if he should be criticized for what he said last week he should also be criticized for the speech, you know the speech which many called one of the most important statements on race.

With the media, with Hillary and with McCain we should expect consistency, especially on matters of race and class, but instead we see folks who are willing to polarize and distort to get ratings, sell papers and get votes. Neither Hillary or McCain are fit to be president.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:11 AM
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1. and Obama has never distorted Clinton's words or deeds
right.

(Psst: this is an election).
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:32 AM
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2. You are right it is an election but. . .
. . .a Democrat should still act like a fucking Democrat in the election. In her response to Obama Clinton sought to divide and polarize folks for political gain. A Democrat should never ever seek to divide and polarize, especially along class and racial lines. FUCK THAT!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:42 PM
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23. but it was perfectly fine for him to have McClurkin divide us on sexual orientation
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:57 PM
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26. I have never defended him on McClurkin, IMHO McClurkin has no place in his campaign. . .
. . .however since you brought it up McClurkin was not included in the S.C. events to divide people, he was brought in to reach out to the Black church going folks. I will never ever defend McClurkin's role but it does need to be clarified, he was not brought in to divide folks.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:00 PM
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28. by dividing straight SC from gay ones
but of course we aren't real folks
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:07 PM
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32. You have a way of trying to turn an ally into an enemy and I ain't taking the bait.
Here I am agreeing with you that it was FUCKED UP and inexcusable for Obama to let McClurkin have anything to do with the campaign. But that is not good enough. You want us to believe that McClurkin was brought in by Obama as some kind of anti-Gay statement when it wasn't and you know it.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:20 PM
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34. what else does McClurkin bring?
His message isn't anything else. Add in the last half hour where he got to preach and it is hard to imagine what else he was supposed to be there for.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:33 PM
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39. Many DUMBFUCKS are ignorant about the GLBT community, but there are just as many DUMBFUCKS. . .
. . .who are ignorant about the Black church, gospel music et al.

It was ill advised for Obama to have included McClurkin in any capacity in his campaign but to act like his purpose for being involved was part of some anti-Gay agenda on behalf of the Obama campaign speaks to one's IGNORANCE of gospel music and the Black church. You are someone who only knows the world from his or her perspective without taking the time to understand someone else's perspective (I'm not talking about McClurkin's perspective, I'm talking about the perspective of the Obama camp WHICH SHOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENT DECISION).

As I said you have in me an ally in criticizing the decision to include McClurkin, but I guess that is not enough, you want to go further and imply that Obama is anti-Gay and I will tell you are FUCKING WRONG on that count. McClurkin is an anti-Gay bigot who should not have been a part of the campaign, but I'm not going to play your damn game and act like Obama is anti-Gay.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:31 PM
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42. I know this will shock you
but I actually sang on a praise team at my local church. An all gay one. I will admit to not being an expert on gospel music but I do know this. Not every gospel singer is a gay hating hypocrite. Nor is every gay minister white. Obama played the anti gay card here. Whether he bungled into it or did it from the get go, I don't know. But he surely did play it. It was every bit as divisive and every bit as purposeful as anything you have accused the Clintons of doing.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:44 PM
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43. Why the fuck should I be shocked? And for the record. . .
. . .no matter how much you want to twist it, he did not play the anti-gay card.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:57 PM
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45. you accused me, by implication, of being ignorant of gospel music
again, I was by no means an expert (passable at best singing and no real history in my backround) but the people I sang with were. Obama could have, had he wanted to, had a gospel concert that didn't insult gays. Choosing not to is playing the anti gay card in a divisive way.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:11 PM
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46. So its OK to call Obama anti-gay but inexcusable for me to point our your obvious ignorance. . .
. . .of gospel music? LOL
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:40 PM
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52. you are the one who implies that Obama had no choice but to use
an anti gay bigot at the concert. You are calling all gospel singers anti gay. And I am the ignorant one?
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:39 PM
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18. When you make a statement like that why don't you refer to one he
has destorted..instead of just making snarky remarks...oh that's right you are a clinton supporter...
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:37 AM
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3. I almost agree.
Add Obama to the statement, so that it reads, "Neither Hillary, Obama, nor McCain are fit to lead this country," and you'll have my full agreement.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:44 AM
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4. Hey thanks for the kick
LOL
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:23 PM
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35. As another Kucinich supporter ...
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 04:37 PM by TahitiNut
... who's inclined to vote for him again when it actually counts (since I'm in Michigan), I'm also inclined to think it's important for people to support a candidate who best articulates the more fundamental problems in the divisive and hypocritical exploitation of the body politic ... almost independent from whether we have confidence in their ability and willingness to actually follow through on the promise of 'hope' and 'change.'

The WORST thing about the ejection of Kucinich from the Primary is how it's spun as a rejection of his opposition to the fascist right, his advocacy of TRUE universal health care based on the abundant models of success in other nations, and his rejection of America as the military occupier of the world.

By tying those cans to Kucinich's tail and claiming that's why voters rejected him (instead of the sneering marginalization of him as 'unelectable' and 'woo-woo' and his lesser ability to inspire by charisma and rhetoric), the "ownership class" create a false and revisionist history to denigrate the politics of advocacy for liberal and egalitarian reforms.

Maybe Obama, as imperfect as his stated policy positions may be, is the best chance to "send a message" that were "mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore" ... and that we're fed up with being put at each other's throats, gay against straight and black against white and religious against secular and urban against rural - only to work harder to enrich the already wealthy.

I dunno. I'm conflicted. But I sure as hell can't stomach EITHER McCain or Clinton. That's for damned sure. So, maybe I'll vote for Kucinich ... unless, maybe, I can vote for Obama.


I regarded Edwards as a distant second choice. Biden was a stretch. (I REALLY think the "war" is for the left-right economic spectrum and the social stuff is used to divide and frighten.) Maybe - if I try - I can hold my breath (and nose) and take Obama as a third choice - vesting my hope in the ephemerals he's shown in the campaign, if not in his policies.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:26 PM
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36. AMEN!

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:33 PM
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38. Swampie ...
... it's sometimes SCAREY how close I feel to you in values and humanity. We're SEEmingly from different planets ... but from the same womb.

I love ya, cousin. :hug:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:25 PM
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50. !
:hug:


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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:13 AM
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54. Well Said TahitiNut
Once again we are presented, not with a candidate that closely shares the ideals of the electorate like Kucinich, but with choosing between the lesser of two evils. Because I absolutely cannot stomach another Clinton presidency, and because the thought of cycling "families" through the white house as if we were a monarchy sickens me, I will vote for Obama. Is he as good as Kucinich? Of course not, in fact he's not even a close second, BUT (I know...everyone always has a big but) the fact remains that one of the remaining three candidates WILL be the next President of the US. Of these three remaining candidates, Barak Obama appears to me to be the best choice for achieving some measure of change. He's no Kucinich for sure, but he's the best option we have right now.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:59 AM
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58. well said
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 10:00 AM by beezlebum
i'm another kucinichian.

i am supporting obama now, but it has been with reluctance, and largely due to that he is better, albeit only a little, than clinton and/or mccain.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:41 AM
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60. You express where I'm at quite well.
I'm trying this week, in the face of some other vivid reminders of what matters, to stay open. I am.

Everything you say makes sense, except that I have this deep, visceral perception that Obama is even worse than Clinton. And I sure as hell don't want to see her as president.

Part of what is feeding that perception is the way people seem to excuse his republican leanings, even adopt them. The attitude that, if Obama says it or does it, it must be good, frightens me. It takes a lot to frighten me, but the vision of another 4 or 8 years under a president who gets away with anything because of people's "faith" does.

Of course, his stance on issues don't offer any hope for real, fundamental change. That would probably be true for anyone we nominated at this point. Still, I find that I have deeper disagreements with some of his stances than I do HRC, and that in itself horrifies me.

If I vote for someone who actually supports the further destruction of my profession, I'm culpable. I've heard his speeches, I've had many well-meaning people try to rationalize it for me, but I'm on the front lines in public education, and I know that merit pay and further privatization, on top of what we are already dealing with, is the final nail in the coffin.

If I vote for someone who will unilaterally send our troops into another nation under the umbrella of the bogus "war on terror," I am culpable.

I can't do it. I can't support HRC, either. I don't know which way to turn.
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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:32 PM
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64. Observation
I've been monitoring the posts of those who identify themselves as primary supporters of candidates other then Obama or Clinton (Edwards, Kucinich, etc.). Since the Obama and Clinton folks are obviously emotionally engaged with their own respective candidate, it seems to me that these are the Dems who can offer a more objective perspective on the similarities, differences, and perhaps even ultimately the electability of the two.

My unscientific read on this is that the vast majority of these posters seem to lean towards Obama, even if they do so with some degree of pause. The general response tone appears to be one of I have reservations about supporting Obama, but I am sure I cannot support Clinton.

Full disclosure: I am a committed Obama supporter.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:19 PM
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5. Smart writing
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:20 PM
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6. Well thank you very much!
:kick:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:27 PM
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7. Thank you for putting this all together to paint the big picture.
The big picture meaning there are a lot of angry Americans over the fact that their government does not work for them. McSame and Clinton, Clinton especially, deserved to be roundly criticized for being out of touch. We aren't stupid. We can see who the true elitists are in this election.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:29 PM
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8. And the reality is Obama said essentially the same thing in March during his speech on race. . .
. . .yet Hillary didn't see any political opportunity in polarizing and dividing us then.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:32 PM
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9. Just like Obama's statements are bringing PA voters together? nt
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:35 PM
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10. Well lets disect anything. . .
. . .it was poor choice of words he used in San Francisco but essentially the same sentiment he used in his speech on race in Philadelphia in March. So are you saying saying his speech in March was divisive? Tell me, other than a poor a choice of words, how his statement in San Francisco is different from his speech on race.
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:49 PM
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11. k & r
:kick:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:51 PM
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12. Thank you very much!
:kick:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:52 PM
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13. Thank you thank you thank you!!
I've been so flabbergasted by this entire "bitter" conversation that I haven't even been able to think or get my head on straight.

Thankfully, you didn't encounter such difficulties. You nailed it, wndy!!
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:54 PM
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14. You are welcome, weclome, welcome
;)
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:20 PM
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15. Thank you for comparing the two bringing us the big picture.
:applause: K&R
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:05 PM
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22. No problem. . .they want to play games with what Obama said. . .
. . .let them play the fucking game and hold them accountable.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:34 PM
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16. Hammer meet nail!
Thank you for putting both side by side so to speak.

He didn't say anything different here between the two.

People Wake Up! You are being Hoodwinked!
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:37 PM
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17. Brilliant stuff. Great read!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:00 PM
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19. great analysis. Wedge Issues is what we're talking about here. Does Hillary know what they are
and how the GOP uses them?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:13 PM
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20. Yes she does and she plans on using them the same way in a DEMOCRATIC primary
:kick:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:30 PM
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21. then I suggest Obama, Obama supporters and journalists need to ask her about this
publicly.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:52 PM
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24. Great post.
K & R :thumbsup:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:54 PM
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25. Well thank you!
:kick:
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:58 PM
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27. Down with the DLC.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:20 AM
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55. I second that motion! nt
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:01 PM
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29. Interesting read..thank you. k+r
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:06 PM
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30. But Hillary wants to put another 100,000 cops on the streets!!
Can't you see how she cares about us and our safety? (All wew have to do is pony up another $4 billion.)

:eyes:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:07 PM
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31. yep. They're bad for America.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:17 PM
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33. It's time to kick Hillary and her Republicans out of the Democratic party.
Does anyone other than her gang of potbangers really fall for her emotional manipulation and her lies anymore?
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:28 PM
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37. Obama is the one polarizing America
with his stereotyping of segments of America

:rofl:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:35 PM
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40. You are right because his Black ass should have known better than to run for president. . .
. . .we all know Hillary is entitled to be the next president. :sarcasm:
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:23 AM
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56. Lest we all forget
"It's Her Turn"...... :crazy:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:35 PM
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41. And the kid calling the emperor naked must've stolen his clothes, too.
:eyes:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:48 PM
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44. Agreed. It's harder and harder to tell Hillary from McCain.
Both want her to be the nominee. Both think he's a better choice for president than Obama.

Sorry, but she's no Democrat, talking like that.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:14 PM
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47. Obama is more unfit then McCain. He is our party's George W. Bush (eom)
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:16 PM
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48. LOL. . .aren't you adorable. . .LOL
Would you care to tell me how Obama is more unfit than McCain? LOL Stay a while.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:22 PM
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49. He's mean-spirited, spiteful, he tears Hillary apart personally, and worst of all
he uses lines like Bush's when there is a dispute going on. I watch him and I'm reminded of Bush vs. Gore: "reward certain types of behavior" when talking about tax cuts; "you're talking about which committee the bill comes out of, who the chairman is" when discussing the patients' bill of rights; "fuzzy math" when talking about the deficit. Obama has mastered the simplistic answer that deceives people.

Steve
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:32 PM
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51. Mean spirited? LOL
How does he tear Hillary apart personally?
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:27 AM
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57. And Besides, the Hillary Camp is already WAY AHEAD in
establishing new trade deals that she'll be able to implement on Day 1. :hide:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:37 PM
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53. Saturday night kick!
:kick:
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:01 AM
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59. Hillary is not a Democrat. She is a neoconservative scumbag that cavorts with Richard Mellon SNAKE.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:14 PM
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:00 PM
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66. Heh. Who wrote the deleted comment? Write it "nicer" because I want to know what you said.
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sansatman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:08 PM
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62. If you look closely...
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 01:12 PM by sansatman
you can see Hillary, Bill and McCain sitting quietly at the of table.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AI8mC8XucY&feature=related#
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:11 PM
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63. And his mentor is quoted "GOD DAMN AMERICA", so what?
The clip so short, I have no clue what the context is, but as usual we're all faced with the usual "lesser of two evils" routine.

It's going to be a fun summer. :popcorn:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:58 PM
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65. Oy vey
:kick:
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:48 PM
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67. THAT IS WHY THE BIG MONEY IS SO AGAINST OBAMA...cant be bot..
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