Time Magazine reporting Hillary Clinton plans attack on Obama over small town comments

[Tropics_Dude83]

Also, Time didn't call this "massive" but reading what they have planned, sounds massive to me.

Conference calls, enlisting the aide of Bill Clinton, plans to mention it in all 4 of her appearances today.

Don't know if this has been posted or not already. If so, I apologize.

Here's the link: http:/www.thepagetime.com.

– In Indianapolis, Clinton says that she doesn’t think most Americans are “bitter,” says “what I hear are real concerns about unfair trade practices that cost people jobs.”
Also mentions most working Americans reject anti-immigration laws, go hunting because they want to. Read full remarks here and watch video here.

New York Times: Campaign aides say Clinton to hit Obama at each of her four events Saturday, enlist B. Clinton to echo her remarks as well.
Clinton campaign plans national and key state full-court press on the flap with surrogates. Will hold 2 pm ET media call with former Iowa Gov. Vilsack, Pennsylvania mayors.
Obama camp responds to criticism: “We won’t be lectured on being out of touch by Senator Clinton, who…can’t tell a straight story about her lengthy record of supporting trade deals like NAFTA and China that have devastated communities in Pennsylvania and Indiana.” Full statement here.
Comes after day of back-and-forth over comments Obama made last weekend. Read more here. Permalink

[wndycty]

1. That is why I posted this thread. . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5468610

SHAME ON YOU HILLARY CLINTON, SHAME ON YOU!

[Faygo Kid]

3. Excellent!

Recommended.

[wndycty]

13. THanks, it also needs some kicks and comments as well ;)

:kick:

[Tropics_Dude83]

7. And this kind of thing is EXACTLY why I am chicken little

I was accused of being Chicken Little in my post about Obama's political skills last night. All I want is to not have to be posting articles about massive attacks being planned on Obama.

Too much to ask for I guess.

[roguevalley]

44. go to americablog.com and see cafferty et al eviscerate Clinton/McCain

[Genevieve]

2. attack, attack, attack.

hillary give up already - you have lost and you have no dignity.

[baldguy]

14. desperation, desperation, desperation.

When you can't win by building support for your campaign, tear down you opponent's.

What Hillary doesn't get is that McCAIN is the opponent!

[Johnny Battleground]

42. Hillary gets it...

... she knows and rightly stated Obama won't win if nominated. He has a thin record, and has some major league luggage. Wright, Michelle, and now this. His "Hope, Change, Uniter" trio is as flat as a cat on the 405. It rings hollow, even to democrats. how can he claim this after 20 years of Wright? He cannot, and our side better wake up. If winning is the key, Obama pissed off a lot of swing voters with Wright, and even more with his Church and guns references. Dumb. And it makes you wonder what he thinks about religion and church. With little to point to, with his racist spiritual guide, and Michelle's remarks he has set up the pins for a huge strike by the republicans. This, to steal a term from another thread... is "red meat". Hillary knows it, knows how to fight, Bill knows how to fight, Bill is an insurance policy upon taking the WH. Obama?

Vote Hillary 08.

[baldguy]

45. Given a choice between Republican and Republican-lite, people will always choose the real thing.

Given a choice between real honesty & integrity and obvious dishonesty & immorality, people will always choose the REAL THING.

Hillary's problem is that she has no real convictions & WILL desperately say anything to get elected. When Hillary promotes the RW Rovian spin on Wright, or Rezko, or on Obama's 3rd grade teacher - when she deliberately twists Obama's words & takes them out of context to try and generate faux outrage - when she tells obvious & easily refutable lies, hoping that nobody will check up on them - they are all blatant displays that desperation.

PEOPLE ARE SICK OF IT.

They've seen the disastrous results that "say anything, do anything" political strategies have got us over the last 30 yrs, and McCain & Clinton are an entrenched part of that.

People don't want any more POLITICAL strategies - they want GOVERNING strategies. "Hope, Change, Unite" works because people HAVE hope, they DEMAND change and they WANT someone to unite behind - and Obama is the man to do it. It's absurd even to contemplate the idea that McCain or Clinton could.

[Johnny Battleground]

47. Hope Change Unite...

...Does not fly anymore with Obama as pilot.

To the voters we need to win he is not honest about who he is. People do not believe his obfuscation about Wright. They see it as politics as usual.

Wright killed Hope Change Unite... dead. It also revealed to many swing voters I've spoken with an almost sinister attempt to mask his true intentions. That's deadly.

Hillary has Bill and their machine. Not perfect (none are), sometimes over the top, sometimes the tales are too big, but the American people know them as they are. They're hardball, smash mouth politicians.

Who is Obama? Up until Wright he seemed like a winner. With Wright, Obama revealed two wholly different persona's, and handled the situation terribly. Oh, he gave a nice speech, but to those we need to win over it skirted the issue. That is not the road to victory. If you are on a bumpy road, hit a pothole and get a flat, you need to fix it correctly. Putting a bandaid over it won't help when you get further down the road. And further down the road is when the republicans pull out their versions of Howitzers and aim not at the tires, but the whole vehicle and its occupants.

I'm not going to paste a happy face on the situation. Our lack of deep prodding got us here. Has put a terribly flawed candidate in the lead, when he should have been booted in the early rounds. Edwards was 10 times the candidate Obama is.

[lisa58]

4. The more they push this...

...the more he'll get to explain himself, that's only good for Obama.

[JackORoses]

5. The Sky is going to fall! You just know it will this time, right?

Let me know when that happens...

[Yael]

6. If Time isn't calling it massive, then you need to take that out of the subject line

and just leave it as your opinion. JMO

Oh, and your link is broken. http://thepage.time.com/

[Occam Bandage]

9. There's no quotation implied. OP makes "massive" clearly his interpretation. Subject line is fair.

[Yael]

17. It is already edited

As it stands -- you are correct.

[Life Long Dem]

8. Hillary is bitter!

:rofl:

[Waya]

10. Gonna backfire on her.......

.........just like everything else she's tried so far..............

[PoliticalAmazon]

20. ITA. Americans ARE bitter, and she is the Elite who is out of touch with us....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5469287&mesg_id=5469406

[Divernan]

34. And taking the muzzle off of Bill has never worked for her in this campaign.

She has a blind spot when it comes to his behaviors, whether personal or public.

[Larkspur]

37. It sure did backfire on her with me

I don't like Hillary but was at most a lukewarm Obama supporter. Because Ms. Hillary "outsourcing good jobs to India is good" Clinton has totally distorted Obama's remarks about PA voters being bitter about job losses, I finally had it with her. Today I just make my first donation to Obama's campaign and ordered 2 Obama lawn signs for my house.

However, my donation and purchase of lawn signs doesn't mean I will turn on Paul Krugman, whose criticism I value. I view Krugman's criticism has helping Obama improve his policies and positions.

[Mme. Defarge]

11. Bring it on!

[AZBlue]

12. Massive? No. Desperate? Yes. Pathetic? Absolutely. Disgusting? Well, it is Clinton...

...so, obviously!

[Larkspur]

15. Obama needs to seize this opportunity from Hillary to rake her over the coals

about her avid support of NAFTA and outsourcing of good paying jobs. Hillary is stepping into a mine field and she doesn't see it because she is so egotistical and so desperate to win at any cost.

[PoliticalAmazon]

16. Hillary IS out of touch if she thinks most Americans aren't bitter...

...I think this plan of hers will backfire.

I would like to see Obama run a series of ads of normal folks just explaining WHY they are bitter.

I bet the families of 4000 dead American soldiers and untold numbers more of devastatingly injured might be able to explain to Hillary, even in terms she might understand, why they are bitter.

I bet lots of Democrats who have pleaded with the likes of Hillary Clinton and the other neocon-collaborating Dems in Congress to stop harming America with their votes, to not vote for the Iraq war and invasion of Iraq, to not cripple the middle class by altering the bankruptcy law, and many other Bush Jr measures that Hillary Clinton validated with her vote, could explain why they are bitter.

I bet lots of Americans who have no health insurance and who cannot afford to take their children for medical care could explain to Hillary why they are bitter.

And I bet LOTS of Americans who lost their jobs to outsourcing to other nations--something that Hillary Clinton eagerly and loyally fought for--could REALLY explain to Hillary why they are bitter.

That's the kind of ads I'd like Obama to run.

[Tom Rinaldo]

32. If Obama manages to frame this as giving voice to valid reasons

why many Americans may feel bitter, he will come through this mostly OK. I'm sure he intends to do that. But if the focus instead settles on him thinking small town Americans "cling to religion and guns" and blame their woes on unwarrented concerns over free trade and strangers, this will hurt.

Meanwhile bitter was a very poor choice of words. That opens onto two Americas, one of youthful and forward looking Americans where multi-culturalism is embraced and America feels hope, and then another America with the people who feel left behind, who fear changes and stangers, and who feel bitter not hopeful. Not good framing. Obama needs to shift his narrative onto anger and away from bitterness.

[SKKY]

18. Her lead in Pennsylvania is down to 6 points...

...and we have a debate next week. If she goes this route, Obama will absolutely reduce her to tears in the debate. She is walking on very thin ice.

[Yael]

22. I have to disagree

Focus group results have tears scheduled for the 20th.

[SKKY]

29. Aw for fucks sake. Not tears again!

How can he possibly compete with someone who can cry on demand??? :shrug:

[MidwestTransplant]

19. D E S P E R A T I O N

[Tropics_Dude83]

24. Obama shouldn't have said something

that gives her the opportunity to hold her bloody "conference calls". God I hate those.

That's my only point.

[MidwestTransplant]

27. Don't mean you, I mean her campaign.

[nichomachus]

43. She's using Rove tactics

Almost anything he says will be twisted by her campaign into an attack. So, he's much better off to just tell the truth, rather than spend all his time looking over his shoulder for Hillary with a chain saw.

I've lived in a small town. I have friends who were born and raised in small towns. Obama told the truth. Hillary's faux nostalgia for small town life that doesn't exist comes across as phony. The people who live in small towns know what it's like. They aren't stupid. Hillary acts as if they were.

Great movie about small-town life. See it if you can (and already haven't)

Searching for the wrong-eyed Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sip9JvgFnQ

[Tatiana]

21. This is a fight she's going to lose.

The fact is, the majority of Americans are bitter and angry and resentful that government doesn't work for us; only the very wealthy.

This is a debate Obama should welcome.

[OzarkDem]

23. Obama's character flaws

say a great deal about his inability to serve as president or represent the Democratic Party in the GE.

If he doesn't want Clinton to criticize him for this, he should keep his trap shut.

[anonymous171]

25. He's going to take her out on this. She apparently, thinks everything is doing great!

The Economy is Strong! No one is bitter! Don't question the status quo!

[JBoy]

26. Kitchen Sink Gone, Clinton Reaches for Toilet. n/t

[quantass]

39. LOL! FUnny anology

[cottonseed]

28. I'm looking forward to it. It will fail miserably.

Like everything else in her campaign, this will fail. What good to come out of this however, would be the SDs and party poobahs finally realizing that this thing needs to be stopped.

[Life Long Dem]

30. Yesterday she said.

I don’t think people are bitter in Pennsylvania.

And today she said. She doesn’t think most Americans are “bitter,”.

In the second one, isn't she using a broad-brush?

[mtnsnake]

31. I don't blame Hillary. She has worked hard to endear us to rural folks, not alenate them

and before anyone tries to tell me that's not true, do your homework first because Hillary has gone out of her way to address the problems of rural NY where she has done a great job in that respect. She has also continued in this effort during her current campaign.

[CakeGrrl]

33. Bring it on, HRC

I think the Obama campaign knew this would happen, and they'll have a response. Does she really want to get into a fight over 'unfair trade practices' and the actions that have 'cost people jobs'...right before the PA primary?

But this sort of thing is really all her campaign has in the way of response. When was the last time she campaigned solely on the merits of what she could do for people without framing it within an attack on Obama?

[DemGa]

35. Hillary's ensuring Obama's comments stay front and center

-- and his remarks are pretty much indefensible. Obama torpedoed himself -- hey, this is politics.

[anonymous171]

No. He's going to reflect this onto her and destroy her.

"So, Hillary thinks that everyone is happy and the Economy is strong" will be his new talking point. He's going to make her eat her own words.

[cbayer]

36. Your link is bad. Could you fix it? nt.

[cooolandrew]

38. The next debate is going to be good. Can't wait. Gobama.

[Eurobabe]

40. Camp Obama will effectively neutralize n/t

[Kber]

41. Tone deaf

If Skinner's analysis is right, and I think it is, Hillary is focusing on the wrong part of Obama's statements.

She's been handed a golden opportunity, and it seems like she's still going to mishandle it.

[Bensthename]

46. McCain/Clinton '08 War, Sex, and Lies you can believe in.

[Mobius]

48. Well there is a shocker

Time doesn't exactly have their collective finger on the pulse of the nation's hot spots of news.

[Zachstar]

49. If Clinton wants to keep this front and Center I am sure Obama will be happy to respond

NAFTA, Snipergate, IWR vote Etc... You wanting to continue this will only turn more americans against you Clinton. You have done your deed of diverting attention from the rebirth of SniperGate and BillGate and any continued crap at this point will only harm you in the long term.

BTW here is a little Context http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x117848

Context that will likely be all over the news networks soon enough.