The Cintons Aren't Quitters. They'll Finish The Job.

[MannyGoldstein]

It appears that Hill is wandering around this morning, yammering Republican talking points about how Obama is a divisive elitist.

Bill continues to keep Hill's sniper fantasies in the news as he lies about his lies about her lies about her lies.

They're on a roll - nothing can stop them.

The only plausible explanation is that The Clintons have made some sort of suicide pact. Looks like they're going to keep at it until they win favorability ratings even lower than our current president.

Just astounding. I've never seen anything like it in my life.

[SKKY]

1. Like Fall Out Boy said....

"...and Sugar we're going down swinging."

[Yael]

2. Clap clap point point

[mckeown1128]

4. You crack me up. nt

[madfloridian]

3. It is scary.

I find myself daily seeing the Clintons in a new and scary way.

I don't like them anymore.

[VolcanoJen]

20. The Clintons 2.0 suck.

They do. They're unrecognizable from that couple I so admired in the 90's. Watching Hillary's comments yesterday about how Americans aren't bitter, they're shiny and happy and everything's groovy, I couldn't help but notice she was morphing into Marie Antoinette Gingrich before my eyes.

I think Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone nailed it when he wrote, "Trying to wrestle power from the Clintons is like trying to wrestle meat from a hammerhead shark."

That's it in a nutshell. Lust for power has made them crazy.

Edit: Oh, and madfloridian, thanks for that link. The Kansas blogger John Brown is my new all-time favorite!!!!

[Eurobabe]

5. Yeah and she'll take down the whole Dem party doing it

I am so sick of this selfish #$%&*!!!

[PetraPooh]

11. Y'know I have avoided looking at it that way, but. . .

Now I am beginning to think that the Democratic Party, Dean I guess, should come out and disavow these two from being democrats. The idea that the party would continue to allow Clinton who has clearly broken the agreement she signed regarding her party affiliation, well, I just think its time for someone to tell her (them) that if they want to run on their own, go for it, but get the hell out of the party.

[Yurovsky]

21. They don't have to get out of the party ...

but it would be nice if they would acknowledge that the party belongs to the PEOPLE, and is not a wholly owned subsidiary of Clinton, Inc.

[PetraPooh]

23. No, I wasn't saying "get out," my thought was "booted out"

[Yurovsky]

24. Well, it probably would take force ...

kinda like tossing WJC outta the Little Rock Hooters at closing time.

[Andy823]

29. Yes and that's the saddest part!

They just don't seem to care about the party, or anyone but themselves, and bringing down the party is going to be the worst part of this whole mess. s

If she would have stayed on the issues, discussed how she would handle them, make changes, bring this country back from the abyss that Bush has taken it, I would not have had a problem with her staying in the race, but to sling this much mud, get down this low in the gutter by using republican tactics, it just makes me sick!:puke: Everything she is doing will come back to haunt her if she does by some miracle win the nomination, and if Obama wins it, the republicans will use "her" talking points against him. It's a mess no matter how you look at it.

[crankychatter]

6. Blood on the floor in Denver - Mission Accomplished - I feel like a voyeur

peeking in the window, watching the Clinton dysfunction play out like some gawd awful reality TV Show...

it's beyond words...

k/r

[burythehatchet]

7. I share your sentiment. Never thought I would see the day.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

8. Gravity will catch up, sooner or later....

[newmajority]

9. And which "job" would that be?

The one they did in the 90's with NAFTA, the telecommunications monopoly enabling act, welfare "reform", etc?

Do you mean to say they would finish the job of destroying the middle class, which Reagan and Poppy began in 1981?

[TahitiNut]

10. We're witnessing the attempted takeover of the Democratic Party by the "neos' - corporatists.

Sadly, it seems that most people (with viscera totally attuned to social wedge issues) are clueless regarding the leveraged buyout of out political system by global corporate powers - people whose sole allegiance is to wealth that subordinates societies to mere colonies.

We saw the takeover of the GOP accomplished 28 years ago. Instead of being the Party of small business and small government, they became the Party of BIG business and government as a pipeline into the pocketbooks of the taspayer - outsourcing and privatization run amok. In the Eisenhower era, both parties at least adhered to the notion that the goals were the same (a common wealth and land of equal opportunity in which all were at liberty to pursue happiness without special entitlement or burden). They differed in the principles underlying the MEANS by which such a goal could be achieved. Both parties had their narrow-minded factions, from the Birchers in the GOP to the Jim Crow faction in the Democratic Party to the "Nanny Statists" in both parties.

Between the Military Industrial Complex, the Oil companies, the Big Pharma cabal, and the investment banking sector, there's very little left for the average Fast Food Voter. The very fiction of "choice" (without which "free market competition" is a cruel joke) is virtually nonexistent for the human-being-as-consumer or human-being-as-worker.

[PetraPooh]

12. Yeah, another reason I think . . . well see post #11

[Demeter]

13. Scary Graph There

Let's hope we can shift the point of origin sometime in our lives.

[hfojvt]

15. only a small step to the left with Obama

but a step in the right direction.

[TahitiNut]

16. It's important to note that it's the ECONOMIC 'left' - he's NOT getting into the mud fight ...

... on social "wedge issues." I'm somewhat ambivalent and perplexed at the degree to which he's avoided taking strong advocacy stances on such issues. As I try to puzzle it out, it seems he regards such overt advocacy as a "no-win" ... and that's perhaps why he hasn't succumbed to ambush interviews and the politics of demonization and excommunication. In not participating in the MLK Assassination Day Pilgrimage, for example, he seems to reject the photo-op posturing (and pandering to narrow interest 'leaders') in favor of his "ground game." It seems to be consistent with his refusal to be coerced into sporting a flag pin on his lapel - essentially saying he'll not twitch every time someone pulls that particular string. It's not "politics as usual." There's something genuine in his "baby-kissing" ... VERY unlike Smirk.

I'm watching this campaign with more interest than I thought I would - as a "policy wonk." The ephemerals are novel.

[Swamp Rat]

19. "There's very little left for the average Fast Food Voter."

... except for wedge issues that provide a comfortable distraction from economic realities.

"The ephemerals are novel." - I, too, am fascinated by Obama's ability to consistently re-frame the debate despite the barrage of banal personal attacks.

[VolcanoJen]

22. Exactly, spot-on right!!

And the thing is, both parties have been changing for decades, but they refuse to clue in the American People/Sheeple that they are not who they say they are anymore.

That's why Obama was smart and brave to say what he said in San Fran. Politically, he was actually goading Clinton and McCain into challenging him. I admire him more today, and especially for his smackdown comeback in Indiana, than ever.

[Poll_Blind]

14. Their big money donors are pulling the strings on them....HARD.

  This is still politics but it is an unfamiliar extreme not generally seen in a presidential race. I think their powerful backers are metaphorically holding the money gun to their heads, pushing them into corners from which they feel they may not be able to escape and from which Americans will be unlikely to remove them when it comes time to reflect back on the Clinton legacy.

  Or, they're the biggest two-faced assholes in Democratic politics I've seen in a long time.

  It's hard to really believe, even though I hate Clinton's politics, that they're 100% behind this, that they're 100% in charge.

PB

[dkf]

17. Exactly. They won't quit until they've destroyed their reputations and any future viability.

That is the one saving grace I see.

[bigtree]

18. They're doing just fine

. . . despite the hysterical attempts to label their politics as something more pernicious than the bullshit attacks from Obama's own campaign.

[TahitiNut]

25. I hope so. If they can't do "just fine" on over $100 million, they're even more pitiful than claimed

:shrug:

[kevinmc]

26. The Clintons have that Jim Jones in Guyana spirit ..... n/t

[Bensthename]

27. Bill and Hill pack to destroy Obama and dem party in full fource.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. They sure are persistent. It's taken me 16 years, but I've finally got "Clinton Fatigue". nt

[tilsammans]

30. I am embarrassed . . .

. . . that I ever defended them. And I did, over and over again. For 15+ years.

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