Obama's remarks were true and showed empathy for those who were screwed by the govt.

[jenmito]

HE is not an "elitist." He was NOT insulting people. He grew up without his father. He didn't vacation in a summer cottage and play pinochle. He talked about how people are being ignored and left behind by the govt. Hillary and Bill were part of the reason people fell behind. Clinton can "play" on this all she wants. It will come back to haunt her.

[uberblonde]

1. You don't know what you're talking about.

Pennsylvania did quite well under Clinton. Unemployment went down, salaries went up and times were good.

This was not a smart move.

[anonymous171]

3. Actually it was Hillary's response that wasn't smart.

People are angry at the government. She was all "The Economy is strong." He's going to make her eat her own words.

[jenmito]

5. NAFTA, now the Columbia free trade agreement, etc., are not good for poor Americans.

[TahitiNut]

13. ... and the chasm between the 'haves' and 'havenots' widened and deepened almost unabated.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. $109 million Hillary

[wndycty]

2. His remarks were not much different than his speech on race. . .

. . .as I talk about in thread below Hillary just sees and opportunity to divide and polarize us, sort of like a Republican.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5468610

[RememberWellstone]

4. Right..............uh, huh.....

Keep saying it, I am sure someone will believe you.:eyes:

[jenmito]

8. Right. And Hillary's for "the little guy." Her, her husband, and all the millions of dollars they

took from sources she won't reveal "until she's president," which won't happen.

[tokenlib]

6. If Barack can seize on his moment from last night in Indiana.....

If he can tap into that bitterness, disappointment, and resentment toward status-quo government. I think he could end this nomination fight and ride it to November.

If Hillary and McCain define his words as demeaning and insulting to the gun-toting evangelical types, Barack will be in trouble.

It is up to Barack. He needs to go on the offense and not allow the media to push him into a corner.

[jenmito]

16. He IS seizing on the moment. He said he will NOT be lectured to by Hillary who can't keep

her position straight on free trade. :D

[2rth2pwr]

7. Empathy? By calling them backward hicks, he was being empathetic?

[ClassWarrior]

9. Link?

NGU.

[jenmito]

14. S/he doesn't have a link. Just like when I asked for a link saying Obama characterized Wright

as being like a "crazy uncle."

[jenmito]

10. He didn't call anyone "backward hicks," just like he never called Wright his "crazy uncle" as you

claimed he did.

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[ClassWarrior]

27. Bitter, are you?

:rofl:

NGU.

[hisownpetard]

17. You're the only one who's called them "backward hicks." Why do you hate them so much?

[AZ Criminal JD]

11. He took back his remarks. Didn't you get the memo?

[ClassWarrior]

12. Link?

NGU.

[AZ Criminal JD]

30. From yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080412/ap_on_el_pr/obama_clinton

[ClassWarrior]

32. You must have posted the wrong URL...

I don't see anything at that link about Obama taking anything back. Just an observation that he could have been clearer.

But thanks for making sure our studio audience has the undistorted facts. :hi:

NGU.

[jenmito]

33. "I didn't say it as well as I should have," he said. (From your link.)

[tokenlib]

15. No, he said he could have worded them better...n/t

[jenmito]

18. He did NOT take back his remarks. He stood by them but said he could've chosen different words to

say what he STILL means-that people feel bitter for being ignored by the govt.

[AZ Criminal JD]

22. He says he could have used different words but he didn't take back his remarks.

Can you double talk more than that?

[jenmito]

23. He did NOT double talk. He stuck with his message saying he could've used better words to describe

that message.

[AZ Criminal JD]

25. Exactly what are the "better words"

He mocked religion, gun ownership, and people who are against trade deals. So what is he saying now? I thought he was against trade deals too.

[jenmito]

29. He did NOT mock ANY of those things! He said he understood people getting bitter for

losing their jobs. He said you "turn to what you can count on to give you comfort" when you're bitter. That's not mocking ANYONE.

[AZ Criminal JD]

35. Your can parse the words all you want but you can't change them.

Obama, a Harvard elitist, was speaking to some rich San Francisco elitists, and making fun of how people in small towns find comfort in religion and guns. He patronized them on their "anti-immigrant" and "anti-trade" views. He knew exactly who he was speaking to and he knew exactly what they wanted to hear.

[jenmito]

36. What nonsense. So he's an "elitist" for going to Harvard? Get real. How prejudiced of you.

:eyes:

[AZ Criminal JD]

37. He attacked those in "fly-over" country

Exactly what his rich San Francisco patrons wanted to hear.

[jenmito]

38. He did NOT attack ANYONE. He said people who lost their jobs are justifiably bitter.

[AZ Criminal JD]

39. Right. So they have to find solace in religion and guns.

That is so elitist. The only small town Obama has ever seen is Cambridge, MA. But he knew what the San Francisco crowd wanted to hear and he gave it to them.

[jenmito]

43. OK. He's an elitist. You're so full of it. Like you know the small towns Obama has seen.

:eyes:

[AZ Criminal JD]

45. I don't know how many he has "seen" but I know where he has lived.

His remarks sound like the typical pap you hear in college from political science sophomores. Maybe that is why they like him.

[jenmito]

21. kick

[quantass]

24. Obama spoke The Truth indeed. n/t

[jenmito]

26. Thank you. Yes, he did. And he stuck by what he said. Just regretted those exact words since

people were upset by them, since they were taken out of context.

[formernaderite]

28. bullshit...I like Obama but I'm not stupid enough to buy this line

it was an elitist statement..and at this point it would be better to apologize and not try and convince people it didn't mean exactly what everyone took it as. People aren't "clinging" to guns because their life sucks...that is just plain ignorant actually. Most of us who enjoy firearms are just that..enthusiasts. I have plenty of people in my family who were left in steel towns and mills that shut down. The youngest ones left...the rest made do...and they have their own mind set..but they had it even before the jobs left.

[jenmito]

31. It was NOT an elitist statement! And if you ever heard Obama speak, he's in favor of the 2nd Amend.

as much as Hillary is. He's religious. He's for giving illegal immigrants drivers' licenses. So keep distorting his words. You can't distort his record.

[formernaderite]

34. there's nothing to distort

and he himself has come out and stated as much. geez...let's keep it real. I can't stand Hillary so why even compare the two? And what does giving illegals licenses have to do with the president? That is entirely up to the states...licensing has NEVER been a federal issue, and being for or against it has nothing to do with being elitist.

[AZ Criminal JD]

40. Yes, he sure is religious. "God damn America!"

Obama's pastor said "It's in the Bible!" Not in my edition. He has always been opposed to the 2nd amendment. When he was a state senator in Illinois he favored the banning of all handguns.

[jenmito]

41. First of all, Obama's not responsible for everything Wright says. Secondly,

what he did as a state Senator re: IL gun laws is different from U.S. laws.

[AZ Criminal JD]

46. Wright has been a close associate of Obama's for 20 years.

You are right - IL gun laws are different than U.S. laws. That is the problem. We know what Obama wanted to do in IL. That is an excellent predictor of what he wants for the rest of the U.S.

[kmsarvis]

44. "people aren't clinging to guns because their life sucks"

First of all,Obama never said every gun owner clings to guns because they are bitter or unhappy or "their life sucks.". However,it is undeniable that some people do. I know because I live in North Carolina and grew up around some of these people.