He's the antichrist

[Yael]

My mother just called me and I am listening to a rant of unbelievable proportions. I can't get a word in edgewise. She is convinced that BO is the antichrist.

I am waiting to hear that he is going to make us all have abortions and turn us into teh gay.

She is apolitical, but apparently someone sent her something about Obama sponsoring a law that live babies should be killed on contact.

H E L P!!

[TML]

1. I have to ask

Does she live in a rural area?

I deal with a lot of people from rural areas across the country at work. When conversation turns to politics, a good percentage of them can't say Obama without saying the N-word. That is the cold, hard truth.

[Yael]

3. Not really, but she is a one-issue voter

She just yelled something about not voting for anyone this fall and that this would be the first election she would sit out, so there is hope.

I told her that if she couldn't get behind McCentury that she should go with her gut.

I have never seen her so fired up about ANYTHING.

Edit to add -- she just said that she is terrified, TERRIFIED of an Obama presidency.

Dear Lord.

[TML]

4. I've got the same problem

I have a group of sisters who will vote for McCain if Obama wins the primary. My father may be in the same boat for other reasons I won't disclose. That means I have a few months to work on them.

[VolcanoJen]

35. Does she read those "Left Behind" books?

I think that's where this "Obama is the Antichrist" meme started. I shudder and squirm just when I see those books on display at my bookstore, so I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I've heard from a few people that there's some "Left Behind" email about Obama making the rounds.

[Yael]

39. She said that when she hears him speak she envisions

Carpathia.

I should check The Google and see what the latest is on this.

[VolcanoJen]

42. Carpathia?

I'm Carpatho-Russian. Don't tell your mom!!!! :scared:

Let us know what "teh google" said! :-)

[newmajority]

56. She likely means "Nicolae Carpathia"

That's the Antichrist's name in the Left Behind books.

[roseBudd]

64. Who plays Carpathia in the movie? Does this mean the Rapture Readys are voting O so they float naked

into the sky?

[Kukesa]

63. Country (mountains) vs. name of person in book. I think. n/t

[VolcanoJen]

65. Thanks, Mom!!

;-)

[cali]

18. please stop demeaning all rural people

I live in a very rural place, with high unemployment that's 99.5% percent white and people here like Obama. They voted for him over Clinton, and I've never heard anyone refer to him as the n-word.

[TML]

67. Your place is the exception to the norm

I live in a rural, mostly white place where "bitter" people tend to wear white hoods with matching robes, or decorate their skin with "SS" tattoos and beat up Black and Brown people and gays for being different.

More rural places are like mine than yours. Be happy you live where you're at.

[Ilithiad]

51. "good percentage of them can't say Obama without saying the N-word"

which is sad. You know it might take a black president who has high approval ratings and gets the job done and stops all the partisan infighting and make them think of America first to change racism in america. I dont like obama but this might be the necessary key. A lot of people especially some republicans who are racist think that if a black man became president he would be biased towards blacks and the white man would be crapped on....I think Obama has shown that that is not the case at all..

[TML]

66. Good point

This is what people out there need to realize.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. If he's the anti-Christ then it's the will of God that he arise to bring Jesus back.

Tell your mom that she must vote for Obama lest she thwart the will of God.

[Yael]

7. I can't get a word in. Just switched her to speakerphone.

:rofl:

I would mention the whole "pro-life means life begins at conception and ends at birth" thing, but I think her head would explode.

[aasleka]

57. What I did was let my folks know they won't be able to have their grandkids over for vacations

I won't let them be unsupervised with the grandkids because of their political and religous views that they felt they HAD to pass on.

[PerfectSage]

41. ROFL

[Ilithiad]

52. ROTFLMAO

If that isn't a priceless campaing sloagan I dont know what is...."Vote for me I will bring back jesus"

[AtomicKitten]

5. Hokey-smoke! Sounds like somebody should take her out back and turn the hose on her. ;)

This happens every four years. We need to be the light in the darkness and the purveyors of truth. Person by person, email by email, phone conversation by phone conversation.

Keep us appraised on how the conversion is going. :hi:

[newmajority]

6. Nope. Just as with Hillary's nomination chances, the math simply doesn't work.

BARACK - 6
HUSSEIN - 7
OBAMA - 5

Now, I know some Hillbot will probably try to argue that the average of 5 and 7 is 6, so that would mean Obama really IS the Antichrist, and he's just "being sneaky about it".

And in fairness......

HILLARY - 7
RODHAM - 6
CLINTON - 7

See, I can admit that Hillary is NOT the Antichrist! :evilgrin:

[PatGund]

45. Nope!

It means Hillary is a Boeing plane instead :-D

[PBS Poll-435]

62. ROFL...

People always are talking about the size of her butt. Now it as big as commercial aircraft?

[wellstone dem]

8. This is news to me. This is hugh!!!1!! Thanks for letting me know!1!!!

I would not have known this except for your mother. She is my hero.

[Poll_Blind]

9. If your mother believes that shit....she's gullible beyond belief.

I'm not saying she's a bad person- many good people are gullible but remember:

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
- Voltaire

PB

[Yael]

10. I honestly think she fell and hit her head or something.

[Poll_Blind]

17. Ya know, sometimes it's just a matter of not having eaten a good breakfast.

  Really.

PB

[joeybee12]

11. FYI...people were calling Jimmy Carter the antichrist...

...please don't think that anything that is being said or done in this campaign is new.

[Frustratedlady]

12. The Repugs (and, Hillary) have turned on the smear machines...

I'm getting all kinds of s*** from friends against Obama. A couple of us were just talking about how to deal with this and maintain our friendships with these people. They truly are good people, but this garbage is incredible that the RW machine is pumping out.

They are also striking out at the Dem. Congress.

[Yael]

25. She is the sweetest, kindest person I know. Truly.

The problem I think is that because she is normally turned off by politics (and anything political) something like this will set her off the charts because she isn't getting balanced information fro various sources.

I think I will run with that one.

[joeybee12]

37. Yup, always Hilary's fault...even when you have no proof...

...sort of like Free republic here these days with a left-bent. Lies are lies, no matter which side you're on.

[Mz Pip]

13. She must have gotten this email

<<According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is:
The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA?



I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to re-post this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it!

I refuse to take a chance on this unknown candidate who came out of nowhere...>>

Of course there is nothing in Revelations that says this but why bother to check when you get verification in a chain email.

[newmajority]

26. I don't know whose translation of Revelation they're reading

But any version of the Bible I have read says nothing at all specific about the age, ethnicity, or religious background of the Antichrist. Some have assumed that he would be Jewish, because Jesus was Jewish. A lot of the fundies look at the verses in Revelation and in Daniel which seem to imply that the Antichrist's world empire would be a revival of the Roman empire, which would mean the AC would be a European leader. In the popular "Left Behind" book series, they make the guy a Romanian, for some reason.

But if any US presidents ever had a shot at being the Antichrist, it would have been either

RONALD - 6
WILSON - 6
REAGAN - 6

or

GEORGE - 6
WALKER - 6
BUSHJR - 6

Revelation does mention a "first Beast" and a "second Beast". Maybe the Antichrist is already here?

[Yael]

14. "Mom, where are you getting all of this from"?

"The news"

[DarienComp]

16. Yeah, I'm sorry, but your mom seems rather... whats the word... unreasonable?

[Yael]

19. Right now, I would say

off the fucking rails.

This is blowing my mind.

[Swamp Rat]

23. Hmm...

Maybe you need to create new "news" sources for her since she is so impressionable. I am sure you can find news sources that provide a positive, calm perspective regarding Obama.

YOU are the one she trusts the most (I hope), so you can be the one to create a more positive reality for her... for your sake as well.

Good luck.

[newmajority]

58. Which "news" would that be?

CBN News, maybe?

[Lucinda]

15. His being the AC is all over the internet(s)

Yahoo alone has 6,920,000 listings.

[provis99]

20. I doubt she was ever going to vote for Obama anyways

When I hear the stupid shit people claim to base their voting decision on, I usually wheedle out of them that there was no way they were going to vote for the other guy anyways, they just wanted to give any stupid reason why they weren't voting for him.

Next week, she'll claim she won't vote for Obama because he will pass a law requiring us to wear paisley pants.

[JimGinPA]

21. A Lady That Used To Cut My Hair Told In 2004 She Wouldn't Vote For Kerry...

Because he wanted to kill babies. Once someone becomes convinced of weird shit like that there's very little chance of bringing them back to any sort of reality.

[Yael]

24. I have been fighting off the muslim smears since Thanksgiving

One by one as her inbox tells her the "real story".

She was 'amused' at my strong support for Senator Edwards (and even wears the Edwards 08 shirt I bought her), but now I am apparently helping elect satan.

[Yael]

22. Saved by a neighbor

Someone just showed up at her house.

That was the most bizarre conversation I think I have ever had.

She is convinced of this and TERRIFIED!!1!11 that he is going to be elected and then destroy the country from within.

Just wow.

[kitfalbo]

28. hmmm

I think you might need to sit down with your mom, both have a few shots and sit down and talk to her calmly and slowly.

Counter any point she brings up. Maybe sometimes with nonsense. She states the muslim thing state that he's related to Brad Pitt and Dick Cheney. Basically you need to have an Intervention with your mom.

[crispini]

29. How to deal with the irrational.

1) Just listen to them. Actively listen to them.
2) Don't try to rebut them. Just restate what they are saying and make sure they feel heard and understood.
3) Try to drip rationality in there, but if they start to get defensive, back off sharply.
4) Recognize that they're not going to get all there in one session, but if you can at least begin to have a good conversation with them, that is a start.
5) Remain calm, remain calm, remain calm. The moment you start getting mad and expressing your anger, YOU LOSE.

HTH. :hi:

[Yael]

31. Thanks !

That is what I did. Nothing excites an excited person more than challenging them. I just let her talk and interjected a few harmless questions -- didn't question her on her take on anything.

I was more amused than anything, but then I tend to laugh at the wrong things in life.

[Kaylee]

27. I'm sorry, but there is no help for anyone who would believe

that anyone would sponsor a bill that live babies should be killed on contact. I don't know what to say....

[Yael]

32. And apparently, this is too important for linkage

I asked her for a link and she said she will "make me a copy". Tomorrow, I am going to stop by and see WTH she is all up in arms about.

[aquarius dawning]

30. God I hate election years.

[VolcanoJen]

33. A coworker of mine goes on rants about how Obama is the next Hitler.

When he comes in the lunchroom and starts that crap, most of us start laughing at him. Last week, someone threw a Dixie Cup at him. :-)

I'm not advocating throwing little paper cups at your mom, but I do think an intervention of some kind is in order.

[crankychatter]

34. Maybe you should take her to Trinity?

just a thought... not badmouthin' your Ma or nothin'

[Yael]

36. I hope no one thinks I am bad mouthing her

I love her with all my soul.

I am just really surprised that she is reacting to this in this manner.

[crankychatter]

60. Dude, I have kin that were buried with their Klan sheets on

and I loved them to death... and some of them would never deny anyone the right live and work... to go to church, raise a family and be free...

they were just wrong headed racist assholes... but LORD they know how to cook some Soul Food.

you're cool, I'm easy

I happen to love folks... all kinds of folks...

the Southern Culture Festival in Memphis

This year, I'm going... bluegrass to blues...

[crankychatter]

61. oh hey another idea, seriously

You can attend Trinity services online

they have streaming video and I have to tell you

it might change her mind if you could get her to sit through one

another great video is called "mama obama"

It's Obama's Kenyan grandmother at journeyman pictures website...

She's a christian lady... gardener, takes in orphans... humble and proud

[WillyT]

38. And I Always Thought THIS Was The Anti-Christ !!!

:evilgrin:

[Yael]

40. Okay, that is beyond disturbing

Is that real??

[WillyT]

47. Oh Yeah, LOL !!!

Link: http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Mood-More-Mr-Nice/dp/B000005KOE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1208027222&sr=1-2

Playlist:

1. You've Got Another Thing Comin'
2. Smoke On The Water
3. It's A Long Way To The Top (If You Wanna Rock 'N Roll)
4. Panama
5. No More Mr. Nice Guy
6. Love Hurts
7. Enter Sandman
8. Holy Diver
9. Paradise City
10. The Wind Cries Mary
11. Crazy Train
12. Stairway To Heaven

:rofl::banghead::rofl:

[Yael]

48. Holy shit on a stick

Pat Boone covered GnR? Metallica? Zepplin???

What a train wreck.

:rofl:

[newmajority]

55. Did you ever see "The Osbournes" reality show on MTV?

The Vegasy version of Crazy Train used as the show's theme song was from that Pat Boone album.

[PatGund]

49. It is indeed

Pat Boone covering "Smoke on the Water" and "Enter Sandman" is quite disturbing

http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Mood-More-Mr-Nice/dp/B000005KOE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1208027948&sr=1-1

[newmajority]

44. So did much of the right wing religious establishment when Pat put out that record

I was working for a Bible Software company at the time, and Pat Boone did our radio commercials for Jesus radio stations. Talked to him a couple of times on the phone, seemed like a nice enough guy, despite his politics. He was amazed at the backlash he got from his own religious right "peeps" for that album. Oddly enough, he's actually good friends with Alice Cooper, and became friends with Ozzy when they were next door neighbors.

[Irishonly]

43. Good Grief

Right wingers are going in full blown craziness. Anti Christ, patriotism, Muslim..... Maybe you can talk to your mom when she calms down. I am related to a whole lot of neocons and they send me crap and corruption all of the time until I send them a list of Bush lies or scandals and then they back off for a little while. I have not seen this one but it must be a dilly.

[Yael]

46. I have no idea where she stands

She can't stand Bush, and won't vote for McSame.

Ironically, over the last few months when I talk about healthcare and how the needs of veterans aren't being addressed, the dwindling economy and the disappearance of the middle class, she agrees with me on all counts. She isn't hip to the boogyman 'terra' stuff and never would allow a gun in her home.

I don't think SHE knows where she stands. From what I am gathering, the one-issue voter thing trumps all.

[SunsetDreams]

50. Here you go, hope this helps:

Smearing Obama's Record on Choice
By Dana Goldstein, RH Reality Check. Posted March 26, 2008

Anti-choice activists claim that Obama voted against protecting infants. In fact, he cast his votes for choice and for women's health.

Gobs of ink have been spilled over Barack Obama's "present" votes on choice issues during his time in the Illinois State Senate. Yes, Obama voted "present" instead of "no" on seven bills that would have limited women's reproductive rights. And yes, Planned Parenthood of Illinois has defended Obama, saying he was acting out a rehearsed strategy for preserving pro-choice seats in the legislature. But while the Democratic campaigns and women's organizations quibbled over which 100 percent pro-choice Senator, Obama or Hillary Clinton, would be the better president for reproductive health, many choice advocates missed what was percolating under the radar: The beginnings of a conservative smear campaign against Obama's very real history of support for reproductive freedom.

The anti-choice anti-Obama strategy is based on Obama's clear "no" votes on the "Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act," or BAIPA. Leading anti-choice blogger Jill Stanek, who testified in the Illinois state Senate on behalf of the bill, has played a key role in disseminating this anti-Obama argument in the right-wing blogosphere. Taking the bait, former presidential candidate Sen. Sam Brownback, in a fundraising email to supporters of his political action committee last month, excoriated Obama for opposing BAIPA. And in a Feb. 26 editorial, the National Catholic Register fumed, "Obama wouldn't even protect children born alive by mistake during abortion attempts."

more here:
http://www.alternet.org/election08/80556

_____________________________________________________________________

The Candidates on Abortion

Obama supports abortion rights. In the Illinois State Senate, he voted against a bill to ban late-term abortions. Obama said that he did not support the ban because it did not contain a clause to protect the life of the mother. During the April 2007 Democratic debate, Obama said that he trusts women to make their own decisions about whether or not to have an abortion "in conjunction with their doctors and their families and their clergy."

http://pewforum.org/religion08/compare.php?Issue=Abortion

_______________________________________________________________________

"A woman's ability to decide how many children to have and when, without interference from the government, is one of the most fundamental rights we possess. It is not just an issue of choice, but equality and opportunity for all women.

"I have consistently advocated for reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. I oppose any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's ruling in this case.

"I believe we must work together to reduce the number of unintended pregnancies. I support legislation to expand access to contraception, health information, and preventative services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. That is why I co-sponsored the Prevention First Act of 2007, which will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. It will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.

"Finally, I support the enactment and enforcement of laws that help prevent violence, intimidation, and harassment directed at reproductive health providers and their patients."



more here:
http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/obama.html

___________________________________________________________________________

And for your added bonus, this is how it got distorted....a Pro life candidate distorting another Pro Life candidates record UNBELIEVABLE...well maybe not

Clinton Criticizes Obama in a NH mailer

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton criticizes rival Barack Obama's record on abortion rights in a mailing sent to New Hampshire voters.
The mailer says that seven times during his time in the Illinois state Senate, Obama declined to take a position on abortion bills, while Clinton has been a defender of abortion rights.

During his eight years in the legislature, Obama cast a number of votes on abortion and received a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council for his support of abortion rights, family planning services and health insurance coverage for female contraceptives. He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive, a vote that especially riled abortion opponents.

He also joined other state Democrats in voting present on some bills.

The mailing comes amid division within the Clinton campaign over how negative to go against Obama after his victory Thursday in the Iowa caucuses. The campaign has made a decision to hold off on any television advertising, positive or negative, until after a nationally televised debate Saturday night.

Obama also has been criticized by the political arm of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which has endorsed Clinton. Seven international vice presidents sent a letter protesting the "wholesale assault on one of the great friends of our union."

"Supposedly, we are involved in this primary because we're concerned about access to the next Democratic president," the signers argued. "So why would we want to develop a hostile relationship with the man who could be that next president?"

During the Iowa campaign, the Clinton campaign criticized Obama's position on health care in Iowa. But she is taking a different approach in New Hampshire.

"A woman's right to choose," the mailing says on the front, then flips to the back, "demands a leader who will stand up and protect it."

______________________________________________________________________________________

I am an RN, and Obama is right, a doctor is required to save a viable life. A fetus is not viable until the 20th week of pregnancy. If a fetus is born, it is up to the medical field to save that child. Obama knows this, and any person should know that the medical field is obligated to save that childs life if at all possible.

[Yael]

53. Dollarz to donutz this is what she is on about

Thanks -- I really appreciate the links.

[SunsetDreams]

59. your very welcome :) nt

[Texas Hill Country]

54. i heard McCain say something about Obama voting against a live birth abortion bill... i dunno

[QC]

68. Oh bullshit! Everybody knows he's the Messiah!

Bring your mom to DU and she can see for herself.

[LWolf]

69. She hasn't paid enough attention to Bush.

HE's the anti-christ.

Obama is not anywhere close to the president I want to see lead the nation, but he's no anti-christ.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

70. I picture the antichrist as a much better bowler. nt