I hate what this forum has become

[dsc]

Today I had one of the most exiting political days of my life. But I don't dare post about it here. I know it will get shit upon by Hillary haters. I got to hear Bill Clinton speak with a group of friends and really loved it but here it will get shit upon. That is what this place has become. I saw a former student engaged in her campaign and was so proud but it will get shit upon here. Even at the worst of 2004, I know that wouldn't have happened. The gay forum is why I am here. This site has been ruined, just out and out ruined. You all have pretty much gotten your way here. But it is a very pyrrich victory. I wish I felt I could really share today with you, but there is no point at all.

[Name removed]

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[JVS]

2. I'm glad you had fun, but Bill and Hill still are acting like total fuckwads with their kitchen sink

So I don't think you really have much of a right to expect the rest of us to be all sunshine and lollipops about them.

[dsc]

6. you made your point

you won. But don't expect me to canvas, don't expect money, don't expect phone calls, don't expect squat. You will have my vote and not anything else. I will work for Jim Neal or Kay Hagan, Bev Purdue or Ray Moore but not for Obama.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. and don't expect any of us to ever, EVER

support anything that Hillary or Bill do in the future.

You see, burning bridges works in two ways. Sure, it makes a huge impact on the enemy, at least initially (in this case, anyone who DARES oppose the inevitable coronation - gee, like Barack) but, the problem is, once the initial bullshit attack (pick a week, an issue, a topic, and Hill's kitchen sink has tried it) fails (and they all have failed. and they will continue to fail. All they do is show the true ugly side of Queen Hill) that burnt bridge ends up being a trap for the people who burned it. IN this case, Hill and Bill.

screw them. They have lost all respect from democrats everywhere. They did it to themselves, and they completely deserve what they get as fall out. I for one, never want to see them in public office again.

[dsc]

20. I have been told repeatedly not to bother

so I am not bothering. I have been called faggot here. I have been called racist. I have been called it all. So this racist faggot will vote and nothing else.

[hfojvt]

31. whoever used the f-word is probably pushing up daisies

Myself I was called a fascist by an old-timer when I first joined in 2004. My crime was - using the word 'weltanschauung'. So nasty names are nothing new.

The odd thing is, Hillary haters here are mad at the Clintons and what the Clintons are saying and doing, whereas Obama haters are mad at what the Obama-supporters and Clinton-haters are saying and doing. Is Obama handing out "I survived a sniper attack" buttons at his rallies? Or is it Hillary handing out "I am not bitter" stickers? Is Obama quoting Grover Norquist as he attacks Hillary? Or is Hillary quoting Norquist as he attacks Obama?

Perhaps there is a Hillary group on DU where you can share your Clinton story.

[dsc]

34. self delete

[terrya]

35. There's the Hillary Clinton Supporters forum here.

And I'm just a lowly DU'er, but if I had my way, anyone who would use the "F" word would get an automatic tombstone. Fred Phelps and his disgusting followers are big fans of that truly vile word. It doesn't belong here under any circumstances.

[Mobius]

71. iawtc

.

[Catherina]

49. Who has called you a racist faggot?

I've called a few people racist here but never you. It has PAINED me to see DU generalize that gays are behind Clinton when I know for a fact that almost all my rich gay friends were the first to open their pocketbooks to Obama because of the hope he gave them. If all we can count on is your vote, that's fair enough but I hope you take a break from this place and examine Obama under a non-DU light so the politics of polarization can end. I'm sorry any insults went that personally against you.

[Mobius]

63. Out of curiosity

When you were called these names, were you by chance under heavy sniper fire?

[Mobius]

62. Why because some of the Obama supporters

on a web site pissed you off?
Do you really think Obama or Hillary for that matter would condone internet bullying?
Oh wait Hillary might.
The point is that people act like idiots on the internet.
They get all "brave" behind the anonymity.
Some people don't handle the freedom of it all, that well.
If people talked more about issues on here, and not let themselves get baited by childish "debate" tactics, maybe there wouldn't be all of this back biting.
So what I am getting from you is that you would rather have a Republican in office, because someone was mean to you on a web site.
You need to get a thicker skin.

[dsc]

65. Be glad you have my vote

I have limited time and money. I fail to see why I should spend time I could use to help elect Jim Neal to elect Obama when his own supporters call me liar like you just did.

[Mobius]

66. So who called you these terrible names?

Do you have a link or anything to back it up?
Those are serious accusations that should be accompanied with proof.
People can call me whatever they want.
It's just some piss ant trying to be an internet hero, which doesn't amount to much at the end of the day.
I didn't call you a liar either, and the fact that you would immediately link that statement to lying, speaks volumes about how you really feel about your candidate.

[dsc]

67. pony up some bucks and search

calling out DUers is against the rules. I am not going to give the people with the list ammunition. The search function works very well if you bother to pony up some bucks.

[Mobius]

70. I had a donor star

I just haven't been on in a while.
I didn't call you a liar either.
I just went to go donate my usual $1 so I could get all of the functions, but they want at least $10 now, which kind of sucks if they take your star away. If I never lost my donor status, I'd pay the $10.
Someone that called you those names should be banned.
However, if you would have just said that I can't link to the proof as it is against forum rules, I might not have been so snippy.
You do have a right to say you have been treated poorly on here, but perhaps it is something better for the mods to handle.

[dsc]

73. You asked, and I quote, "were you under sniper fire when you heard those comments"

you totally deserve the snippiness. At least be gutsy enough to own your comments.

Here is the link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5472377&mesg_id=5480312

[Mobius]

74. I still didn't call you a liar.

You made the association with Hillary being a liar all on your own.

[dsc]

75. whatever

and you honestly wonder why I consider Obama supporters like you worthless weasels.

[Mobius]

76. ahahahaha

You may not realize this, but I just pwnd you.

[Bensthename]

3. I tried to post pro Obama and got flaimed. So I hera yah.. We need candidate forums.

[JVS]

4. We have them already, but I think you need to be a donor to use them.

[Bensthename]

27. Ya, I got excited when I seen an Obama forum but you have to pay? WTF?

[Eurobabe]

68. You have to have a donor star to post in candidate forums

at least I think so. You need them for photography group, personal interests.

[cali]

5. I won't shit on a positive post about Hillary or Bill

as long as it's truly positive and not a backhanded slam at Obama. That said, I know you're right, and that is a shame.

[dsc]

29. you are one of the good ones

thanks.

[cali]

33. I'm glad you had a good time.

And Bill is an electric speaker in person.

[dsc]

36. He is amazing

and he looks fantastic. I knew he had lost weight and all but man he looks terrific.

[cali]

37. He is an amazing speaker live

he's so good it's mind boggling. And I'm glad he's looking well.

[Armstead]

7. I thought you had a thicker skin than that

[ZombieHorde]

8. You are 100% right. You probably should not share anything you hold dear here at this point.

There is no self awareness on this board.

[guyanakoolaid]

9. It is Hillary that has spoiled the atmosphere...

and the anger at her and Bill for the stupid things they have said is totally justified. Their reputations will suffer, but they will survive in the end. Hillary will still be a Senator and Bill will still have a lot of power. But now, in the heat of this ugly, nasty battle Hillary has waged, the intense anger is completely justified.

[ZombieHorde]

12. Posters are responsible for their own posts. nt

[Armstead]

24. You are correct. And Hillary pisses many of us off . So we write pissed off posts.

[ZombieHorde]

28. HRC has no responsibility for the hateful posts on DU.

Unless of course, she has an account and writes hateful posts herself, or paid others to do it for her. Then she would be responsible for those hateful posts, but not the others.

[terrya]

10. I'm glad you had a great time today, dsc.

Seriously. That appearance of Bill Clinton's meant a lot to you and I'm glad you were there to hear him.

About this forum. Sometimes, I've gotten really pissed...like trying to communicate about how evil the "ex-gay" movement in here...and sometimes it's just so ridiculously stupid, so wildly over the top idiotic that I burst out laughing...I mean, slamming Elton John because he came out against misogyny?? Give me a fucking break. :eyes:. Sometimes, it's like kindergarten in here...and that's when I leave.

[Armstead]

19. Slamming Elton John for clasiming that if you're against Hillary....

....you're a mysogynist. And "to hell with them."

That's what's unenlightened.

[MonkeyFunk]

44. He claimed nothing of the sort

not by any stretch of the imagination. Clinton-haters here just invented that.

[grantcart]

11. I always enjoy reading personal reports of what people are doing regardless of the campaign

I thought Bill was in Puerto Rico

[dsc]

16. eastern nc

I am in Wilson he went to Greenville, Wilson, Kinston, New Bern and Jacksonville.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

14. You know what?

I'm thrilled for you!!

What makes me happy is for ours (Democrats) to be involved in and invigorated by our party. If you're getting that feeling from Hillary (or in this case Bill) Clinton or Obama doesn't really matter to me. What does is that you're getting it and that you're involved.

Great for you, dsc! :toast: :bounce:

Bask in your great political day and don't let anyone pee in your Cheerios.

[AllentownJake]

15. I hope you had a good time

Really I sincerely do.

[crankychatter]

17. thanks for posting

I'm thinking about Clinton, DOMA and feelin' the love...

how about a hug?

or is that "shitting on you" too?

[melody]

18. Blame your heroes ... they're the ones inspiring the hatred

Frankly, it's difficult for me to be civil to anyone who still admires them.

[Catherine Vincent]

21. I think you should post it anyway.

Screw the Obama supporters and their hateful spew.

[Armstead]

22. I hate what Hillary is doing to this campaign

Why does she feel the need to do the job of the Republicans by jumping on -- and totally distorting -- what Obama said?

I'd have had a modicum of respoect for her if she were ever to rise to a highger level than her "Win at any cost" mentality. But she seems incapable of that.

[Cali_Democrat]

23. It is Hillary's fault that she's disliked by many on this forum

She's acting like a Republican at times. She praised John McCain and dissed Obama. She says Americans aren't bitter at all. We're just fine and dandy. What do you expect? This is Hillary's fault, it's not the fault Obama or his supporters.

[Armstead]

25. Hillary did not have to stoop to her current Bash Obama as an Elitist" spree

But she chose to.

So now she is doing the work of John McCain.

I now officially hate her.

[Catherine Vincent]

42. "I now officially hate her."

Don't hate, hope!

[Armstead]

51. I hope for better.....But I really do hate her now

There is absolutely no excuse for her doing the job of the GOP as she has been doing today.

[niceypoo]

80. Hillary acts like a republican, so smear her....like the republicans do

Obama supporters never, ever, talk about Obama's policy positions; all they ever talk about is Hillary. Obama has fostered this by running a campaign based on reacting to whatever Hillary says or does on any given day while rarely talking about his positions on issues.

This is absolutely Obama's fault, not Hillary's. Face it, Obama supporters are absolutely OBSESSED with Hillary AND her supporters and express this obsession via open hostility.

John Edwards talked about his policy positions and almost nothing else, thus his supporters could articulate his policy; this is not true of Obama supporters who instead must channel their support into attacks and gossip.

[Texas Hill Country]

26. i had a similar experience... it was fantastic. Bill was amazingly cool. Props to you

and sympathies for the feelings about the forum...

its rough in here... I havent been here long, so dont remember the good ol days, but i still have hope.

[EFerrari]

30. Did he talking about the thousands of dollars he got

from the people murdering labor organizers in Colombia?

I'd like to hear his five minutes on that topic. :sarcasm:

[midnight]

32. I saw Bill speak two years ago in Milwaukee. It was a great

forum, and the whole event was about taking back the house and the senate. It was inspiring. Just can't figure out why there is such a turn around about the president who gave us peace and prosperity. It is very concerning.

[cbayer]

38. I think you should write a really positive piece about your day.

The Clinton haters only expose themselves and hurt their candidate. Let them. I would love to read about your day and promise to support it.
:hug:

[jillan]

39. Thanks for posting! I'm jealous that you got to see Bill today.

And I agree 100% with everything you posted.

[tekisui]

40. I am sorry it's that way.

I hope we can actively raise the level of discourse. This thread helps, and I would like to read about your seeing Pres. Clinton.

[Obamanaut]

41. I have never agreed with everything Bill Clinton said, but I always

enjoyed the way he said it. I think a good public speaker is a joy to listen to regardless of the subject matter.

[IsItJustMe]

43. Have to admit, it has become fairly petty and vindictive around here lately. I posted today a press

release about a Obama/Clinton conference regarding morals/politics/religion and it sunk like a rock. After 105 views it only go two recommendations. Seems like some are more interested in mud slinking, the latest soap opera, and the latest gossip than what the hell these candidates are all about and where these candidates will take this country.

It's frustrating and somewhat demoralizing. But you can't paint everybody out there with a broad brush and I know for a fact that there are people here at DU that really do give a damn. And bottom line, that's what it is all about.

Keep the Faith.

[PoliticalAmazon]

45. So why post here at all then? What a freaking whiner. n/t

[dsc]

46. I rarely post anywhere but the gay forum

I have made some gay friends here and they have helped me greatly with some aspects of setting up a gay straight alliance. Frankly they, the addiction forum and the NC forum are bout it for me here. I am waiting to see if the worst of the Obama supporters, such as you, leave or stay after you trash the place. If you stay I will likely go. I gave some time, some money, and really used to love this place. People like you have ruined it.

[AZBlue]

47. I'm genuinely glad you had a good day today!

I am not a Clinton supporter but that doesn't mean I can't admire your enthusiasm and passion as well as your participation in the political process! I remember how I felt after seeing Obama here in January and it was fantastic.

[anonymous171]

48. I thought Hillary supporters hated Dean?

[shaniqua6392]

50. I would love to hear about you seeing President Clinton speak.

I am so jealous. What a great opportunity! I live in Michigan so we really got ripped off this primary season. We have had no one here to visit us and speak. I am sorry people can be so hateful here. I agree with you on how this site has been ruined. It is so disappointing. I only stay at this point in the hope that it will get better once this is over with. Please post about your day in the gay forum or the Hillary forum. I will be looking forward to hearing what Bill had to say! Blessings and peace to you dsc. Don't forget that there are still people here that care. We are just in the background watching and waiting for DU to return to normal.

[Tresalisa]

52. Hi, dsc!

I've seen a few threads posted here in GD-P where the OP wants people to post about rallies and meetings that they've gone to in support of either candidate. They are very, very enjoyable to read, and at least when I was reading them, nasty comments were at a minimum. We need more threads like these, because I'd love to hear about your experience!

Older timers here than me tell me that things will calm down once we have a nominee. I sure hope so!

:hi:

[dionysus]

53. it's okay...

banky will make it all better;

[Aussie leftie]

54. I can understand why Obama has many supporters

because he is truly an inspiring orator. However, Bill is the master. He speaks to you on your level and I feel that he is very compassionate. I also believe that he played a pivotal role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland.

I understand your pride in discovering one of your former students volunteering in campaign work. It is people like him/her that keeps the democratic process alive.

May you have many more exciting days like you had today and may the most deserving candidate win.

[FlyingSquirrel]

55. Well look on the bright side...

after one of them wins, it won't be allowed anymore. (And you could always alert on the trolls) Post it in the Hillary Clinton forum, maybe.

[Catchawave]

56. I know what you mean....I miss the good old days .....

Rec.

[AspenRose]

78. That's a nice picture.

*sigh*

What is happening to us?

Here's a hug for you DSC. :hug:

[AX10]

57. I know.

I am working for HRC in PA, and it all feels empty at times.
Seeing how hate she has become and if we don't blindly accept Obama, we are then smeared as some kind of evil thugs.

[Rowdyboy]

58. I know how you feel my friend...A couple of years ago my partner and I drove to Little Rock

to see Bill Clinton speak at a function honoring Gert Clark, Wes's wife. It was a monumental experience for me, one that I will remember for the rest of my life. I posted about a long thread about it here and had many wonderful, supportive responses which really helped my enjoy the experience all over again. I'm really sorry you're being cheated out of that feeling.

I've never had the guts to admit on DU that I voted for Barack Obama last March in the Mississippi primary. To many of my friends in the GLBT forum here that was an unthinkable vote because of the McGlurkin fiasco. It was a wrenching decision that I put off until the night before the election (March 10th) for many reasons but I never posted a word about it here because it would simply mean more hatred and shit-slinging between people I love.

I too hate what this forum has become. Maybe, next fall things will get better.

[dsc]

59. I am sorry you felt you couldn't post who you voted for either

as to the fall, I frankly, figure I will be gone by then. I would like to think not, but I see the handwriting on the wall.

[Rowdyboy]

60. Just do what I'm doing....stick to the forums you really care about....

in my case GLBT, books, cooking, gardening, science fiction. Read GD-P when the urge strikes but do your DAMNEDEST not to respond to anyone...lately I've gone days without speaking out at all-just reading and trying to absorb. This is the single weirdest campaign of my lifetime.

But we need people like you-serious people who are trying to make a difference and haven't yet thrown in the towel and sold out. Sure, you can do all those things without DU but I think there is something of value to be found here. If theres this much horseshit, there has to be a pony somewhere!

Hope you're misinterpreting the writing on the wall. You would be missed.

[MaineDem]

61. I know what you're saying

I like to think that most of those who respond so quickly and vehemently won't be here much longer. They're playing here and won't stick around once their candidate is gone. (Either candidate.) Once we have a nominee I think (hope) DU gets back to being the way it was.

I don't think it's fair, though, to categorize it as "all" of DU or even GD-P. I know many of the good DU people aren't posting crap.

Don't give up. Although I don't support your candidate I know how exciting it can be to attend political events - especially if former Presidents are involved. I'm glad you enjoyed the CLinton event. And hang in there a bit longer.

[dailykoff]

64. Fine, you like being pandered to by dangerous liars.

That's nice.

[madrchsod]

69. bill is really something special

i have admired him for years but now i`m really disappointed. it`s not so much his standing up for his wife which i would expect him to do but some of the things he did during his presidency that i have found repulsive.
that being said if i had a chance to hear him speak in person i would`t turn it down..for better or worse he`s is still the big dog..

[Buzz Clik]

72. "I could say something but I won't." You want us to fucking beg you to post something?

:eyes:

[dsc]

77. No

I am just pointing out that many long term, thousands of post members, are being driven to leave.

[mitchum]

79. dsc,you have always been one of the most thoughtful and considerate posters here...

(unlike myself)
Although there is strong disagreement on the candidates, PLEASE don't let it sour you on the DU community.

[file83]

81. Your post will get shit on because they want you to wake up.

Living in fantasy land with cotton candy clouds and Bill Clinton speeches are fine when you are sleeping. But here in the real world where we SEE those fantasies for what they are (smoke and mirrors), and how absolutely corrupt the Clintons are (Lieberman style), it's kind of hard for us not to give in to the temptation to shake you out of your slumber.

We realize you want to sleep in and keep enjoying the fantasy, but you've gotta wake up.