I Greatly Look Forward to a Long, Continued Debate Over Who is an Elitist.

[Bonobo]

Welfare reform, NAFTA, Bankruptcy Bill, etc.

This is a no-brainer. Who is the elitist? The wife of a 2 term president who is trying to further cement Clinton Dynasty on the heels of the Bush Dynasty (Don't forget all those lovely photos of the Bushes and Clintons together) -or the son of an African goatherd?

Which one REALLY is the elitist? The insider? The power broker with the dark connections?

You'd have to be blind or willfully stupid to not answer that one correctly.

So while everyone in the media asks "Is Obama an elitist?", the people at home will be making up their own minds. And guess what? Poor folks KNOW that it is PISS coming down on their collective heads, and not rain for the Peace Goddess.

So, I welcome further discussion of class in this campaign.

The Clintons don't get it.

Obama? Yup, he gets it.

[Bonobo]

1. Bonobo, that is a brilliant post! K&R! Where did you ever get such an original idea!? Wow!!

[babylonsister]

13. LOL!

I've been reduced to that, too. :hug::rofl:

[Bonobo]

16. Thanks, sis.

[Bonobo]

2. Help me out someone. Should it be "whom"?

[Qutzupalotl]

14. No, you're right.

Remembering "to whom or for whom" will get you by 99% of the time.

[americanstranger]

3. Yep. Bring that shit on.

Because every time Clinton talks about it, it will further illustrate how truly out of touch she is, and will show that she's closer ideologically to John McCain than Barack Obama.

Yep. Let's have this discussion.

- as

[Bonobo]

5. It just seems obvious. That's why I suspect this was no accident exactly.

[PM7nj]

4. Seriously.

The Clintons are the party elite. The more they try too pretend they are not the sillier they seem.

[davidinalameda]

6. I'm an elitist

I had an iced mocha today

so there!

:bounce:

[Bonobo]

7. I'm an elitist too! I'm just past the 50 yard line! Check this out!

http://www.lcurve.org/

[dkf]

27. I guess I'm an elitist too.

Had caffeine withdrawals so I ran to Starbucks.

I guess that's why I'm still awake at 11:40 at night!

[Bonobo]

28. I'm an embittered elitist. Wait, does that make sense?

[Tom Rinaldo]

8. It is is pointless arguing about the substance of the issues you raise

because this isn't really about substance, it is about percentions. And it's not your or my perceptions that will count either.

In 2000 and 2004 George W. Bush, that Oil soaked son of a North East elite family who pushed policies designed to make the rich richer at the expense of the poor, he was the guy Americans said they wanted to hang out with and have a beer with. John Kerry and Al Gore were the designated elitists, but that "W", why he was just a regular down to earth type guy who really understood average Americans.

[Bonobo]

9. Americans have had 8 years of further experience honing their Bullshit Detectors.

Don't you underestimate them too, Tom.

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. I'm not Bonobo

I am solidly agnostic on this one. I don't know how it will end up playing out. I thought of the learning curve American's have been through for 8 years also. It didn't make enough of a difference after 4 years, but double or nothing. I didn't say what you predicted couldn't work out that way, just that it is uncertain. A lot depends of course on how skillfully Obama handles this. It's not the type of charge that will be dispelled with a single interview, but it certainly is possible to turn it around.

[Bonobo]

15. Agreed Tom. Here is one thing we can also agree on.

Obama is taking a risk by raising the level of the complexity with thich he addresses issues.

He is, in essence, betting that the Media has it wrong. That Sound-Byte politics are NOT the only thing there is.

If this bet proves to be true, the dividends paid out will be huge. The media will have lost its stranglehold as it has to come to terms with its own increasing irrelevance.

The Media Bubble will be blown. If.

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. It's a high wire act

Stars of the high wire don't have to be flawless, they can trip on occasion, but not so often that it ruins the effect of their performance, and they have to be able to rebound gracefully. Obama was up there on a high wire doing something impressive but he tripped up this time by using the word bitter instead of angry, and by talking about small town people "clinging" to things to deal with their bitterness, which implies weakness and dependency.

It was a misstep, and when you make a misstep on the high wire it is immediately followed by a fall. But yes, people appreciate the grace and courage of anyone with the ability and determination to get up on a high wire in the first place, and most of the time they are dazzled when the performer performs up to his or her ability. So Obama can't make missteps too often and he has to bounce back gracefully when he does, or the spell is broken and it won't keep working for him. That goes with the territory he is now exploring.

[Bonobo]

18. Excellent metaphor.

We WILL see how it all works out.

If Obama wins POTUS (actually even if he doesn't) it will change many things.

Already, my children are guaranteed to grown up in America where they think it is possible for anyone to become president.

Certainly a different world then you, me or our parents grew up in.

Sure the TOLD us it was possible, but I never believed it until this year.

[grantcart]

10. Bill will be happy to give you a lecture on it if you have $800,000.

Oh and if you want him to contradict his wife that will be extra.

[Justitia]

26. ROFL! -eom

[mod mom]

11. Don't forget the Telecom Act of "96 which lead to the media consolidation responsible for the dumbin

down of the American public.

[SoxFan]

19. Obama's father was a freakin' goatherd! A GOATHERD!

Not a milkman. Not a truck driver. An African goatherd!

He was raised by a single mom and middle class grandparents, worked hard and won scholarships to top-shelf schools.

Hillary came from a prosperous Republican family, went to Wellesley and Yale Law, worked for the most elite law firm in Arkansas.

You tell me which candidate best personifies the American ideal.

[Bonobo]

20. I have to disagree a bit with you there.

A goatherder, yes. But a successful one! He would be NOTHING without the wealth he inherited. Look at these elitist scum:

[SoxFan]

21. At least he's not an uppity water buffalo liberal

[Frank Booth]

24. Elitist is right. Their Lexus SUVs with the Sidwell Friends School and Wellesley stickers

are parked right behind that large bunch of cows.

[Bigleaf]

22. Dynasty?

Don't worry. No chance. The Clintons are on the way out. Poor Bill's legacy is in tatters and Hills campaign, well:

[Frank Booth]

23. SummersBytheLake /Wellesley/ YaleLaw/RoseLawFirm / WalMartBoard/FirstLady/ $$$$$$$$$$$$ Hillary

an elitist? What could possibly make you think such a thing?

[Bonobo]

25. Nice list.