More Shameless Phony Pandering: Clinton Portrays Herself as a Pro-Gun Churchgoer (NYT)

[jefferson_dem]

Clinton Portrays Herself as a Pro-Gun Churchgoer
By Julie Bosman

VALPARAISO, Ind. - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton managed to co-opt Mr. Obama’s message of hope and optimism, beginning a speech in Valparaiso, Ind., by talking about how positive and “fundamentally optimistic” Americans are.

“We don’t get bogged down and looking back – we’re always looking forward,” she said, as heavy applause nearly drowned out her words. “Whatever obstacle we see, we get over it. Whatever challenge we have, we meet it. We’re the problem-solvers, we’re the innovators, we’re the people who make the better future.”

For the third time since Mr. Obama’s remarks were made public Friday night, Mrs. Clinton criticized him at length, saying his comments seemed “kind of elitist and out of touch.”

“I disagree with Senator Obama’s assertion that people in our country cling to guns and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration,” she said.

She described herself as a pro-gun churchgoer, recalling that her father taught her how to shoot a gun when she was a young girl and said that her faith “is the faith of my parents and my grandparents.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/clinton-portrays-herself-as-a-pro-gun-churchgoer/

[NJSecularist]

1. Good grief, she makes me fucking sick.

She is such a disgrace to this party. There is no level she won't stoop to or no group she won't pander to to win this nomination.

[roguevalley]

59. coe. what a name to cling to. I'm sick as the daughter of a good

methodist that she is supposed to be one. I wish the church would condemn her hatemongering.

[Major Hogwash]

Hillary is pro-gun!?! I'm laughing my ass off about that claim!

Why didn't she shoot back instead of "ducking sniper fire"?

LoL

[grantcart]

2. and she took out two snipers in Bosnia before she led mass

[Liberal Veteran]

3. I think I might just have to sit this election out if she is the candidate.

I'm so disgusted with the Clintons that if they are what this party is about, I don't want to be part of it.

[jefferson_dem]

5. I won't sit it out but I will never vote for that woman.

Period.

[Kittycat]

22. Write-in Campaign

[jefferson_dem]

25. Something like that. Thankfully, we won't have to do that.

It's only a matter of time before her presidential aspirations are finis...forever.

[Liberal Veteran]

33. I hope her senate seat goes away to at this point. NY can do better.

And the sooner the Clintons are not the face of the democratic party, the better off our party will be.

[jackson_dem]

34. Sad. I thought you were jefferson_dem, not jefferson_obamite

[PoliticalAmazon]

39. Don't equate "Democrat" with "doormat." Better to write-in the...

...candidate who you believe would be the best president than settle for the Democratic Party's Bush-Rove Wing candidate, Hillary Clinton.

[jackson_dem]

44. Clinton is as Democratic as Obama. They have the same positions. Get past the hype

[dionysus]

45. coming from a shill like you that's rich

:rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

53. Get a grip. Because I will not vote for her does not make me any less of a Democrat.

In fact, one could argue the opposite. To support Hillary is to support motives and methods that run counter to the principles that lie at the very heart of the Democratic Party. I will not do that.

[crankychatter]

6. She can't be the nominee

plan on that

what to do if she wins in some unfair way?

Well, that's another story

[GarbagemanLB]

11. Don't sit it out.

Vote third party, like me. :)

[PoliticalAmazon]

40. Write-ins make more of a statement, especially if there are a lot. n/t

[crankychatter]

4. it's always good JD, thanks k/r

I'm SO TIRED of being appalled and dismayed at her behavior

alert me when she does the right thing

or wake me when the shootin' starts

[pinkpops]

7. Lets face it - Obama has lost the NRA and religious zealot vote

He'll never get it back.

[nichomachus]

9. Right

I know all the gun nuts and religious wackos in my community were out putting up Obama posters and now they've switched to Hillary.

Sheesh.

[pinkpops]

31. The hillbillys across the street just yanked all their signs -

I watched em through the blinds.

[pinkpops]

32. The hillbillys across the street just yanked all their signs -

I watched em through the blinds.

[SoxFan]

12. He never had it

Neither did Hillary.
Neither did Richardson.
Neither did Edwards.
Neither did Biden.
Neither did Dodd.
Neither did Kucinich.

[PM7nj]

13. Good. nt

[jefferson_dem]

17. You mean, now the Hannity contingent won't vote Obama in the General?!

:wow:

[pinkpops]

27. Lost O Lost

[JVS]

26. And Hillary will get this vote in the GE? Yeah right.

[DarienComp]

8. Ahh, so the Brady Bill, which Bill Clinton signed, was a terrible thing, was it?

Was she criticizing it "behind the scenes"?

[Liberal Veteran]

Yep. She seems to do a lot "behind the scenes". Is she afraid or something?

It seems like everything she says that might be interpreted as liberal or progressive is "behind the scenes" while everything she actually DOES tends to be anti-liberal.

[jackson_dem]

37. You can be "pro-gun" and pro gun-control. You are setting up a false choice that divides Americans

Ironic. ;)

[PoliticalAmazon]

42. Hillary is setting up the choice. Go bitch at her about it. If you dare. n/t

[jackson_dem]

46. Hillary's position on this is shared by probably at least 80% of the country

Although I understand Senator Obama has a problem with gun ownership and church, unless they are an Ivy League elitist who goes to a racist church like he did. :eyes:

[DarienComp]

51. Oh really?

Why don't you tell the people that consider themselves to be "pro-gun" that you can actually be pro gun and pro gun-control at the same time? See how far that gets you.

[HockeyMom]

10. I cannot recall her trying to overturn

the gun control laws in NYS. Talk about a shameless pursuit of votes.

Former New Yorker

[ProSense]

14. Exactly! We know overturning those laws is a popular stance in NY.

:sarcasm:

[GoldieAZ49]

15. If she tells the truth about her background you complain

If she makes up her background you complain


I guess you are just bitter, go cling to a gun or religion, and feed your anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment in your frustration.

:rofl:

[Liberal Veteran]

18. If she told the truth, she'd probably burst into flames.

She's a despicable excuse for a human being and I can't believe anyone with an ounce of humanity would be fooled by her. She is as fake as George W. Bush.

[jefferson_dem]

19. If she told the truth, it wouldn't sound like these whoppers...

How do you defend her and maintain at least a modicum of personal dignity?

[Liberal Veteran]

23. Birds of a feather and all that jazz.

I honestly can't understand why people support her when she has proven herself to lie and lie and lie until her tongue falls out and then lie about her own lies.

[GoldieAZ49]

48. I am not defending her

It is funny that Obama can say no wrong and Hillary can say no good to some around here.

Makes you wonder if dems have any unity or respect for their fellow dems.

[kevinmc]

16. Hillary Clinton Appeals For Gun Control Lobbying

Published: May 9, 1999

Stepping up the Clinton Administration's campaign against gun violence, Hillary Rodham Clinton used an emotional White House ceremony today to call on Americans to press Congress to ''buck the gun lobby'' and pass several gun control measures.

Today's event, pegged to Mother's Day, which is Sunday, was held in the formal East Room of the White House and featured three parents of children killed or wounded by gunfire. They included Tom Mauser, whose son Daniel was killed last month in the shooting rampage in Littleton, Colo. His story of waiting for word about his son's fate brought Mrs. Clinton nearly to tears as she took the podium and gravely addressed an audience of other parents who had lost their children in shootings.

The Senate is to begin debate next week on a number of gun control measures, some of which mirror proposals offered recently by President Clinton. ''The senators need to hear from all of us,'' Mrs. Clinton said. She urged voters ''to give them the encouragement to do what they know is right and to remind them that there are many, many millions of American voters and citizens who will stand behind political leaders who are brave enough to buck the gun lobby, wherever that may take us, so that they will vote for the measures that we know will save lives.''

Mrs. Clinton was as careful as her husband has been to say that there are many causes of violence and that parents need to take responsibility for their children's behavior. But Mrs. Clinton, who is considering running for the Senate from New York, where gun control is popular, has also been more forceful than the President in directly taking on the powerful gun lobby in the aftermath of the Littleton killings.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E7D9173FF93AA35756C0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

[Liberal Veteran]

20. Hmmm....so another "exhausted misstatement" on her position.

Has she ever actually told the truth about anything?

[BumRushDaShow]

24. You beat me to it!

:thumbsup:

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Pro-gun?

Hillary Clinton Appeals For Gun Control Lobbying
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Published: May 9, 1999

Stepping up the Clinton Administration's campaign against gun violence, Hillary Rodham Clinton used an emotional White House ceremony today to call on Americans to press Congress to ''buck the gun lobby'' and pass several gun control measures.

Mrs. Clinton was as careful as her husband has been to say that there are many causes of violence and that parents need to take responsibility for their children's behavior. But Mrs. Clinton, who is considering running for the Senate from New York, where gun control is popular, has also been more forceful than the President in directly taking on the powerful gun lobby in the aftermath of the Littleton killings.

In contrast with her remarks today, for example, the President, speaking at a fund-raiser in Houston Friday night, said that while he was pressing for more gun control laws, ''I hope we can avoid yet another big fight in Washington between the N.R.A. and others.'' He has said in the past that the association's campaign against certain lawmakers who supported his gun control measures had cost Democrats control of the House in 1994.

Still, a split between the National Rifle Association and ''others'' -- including its traditional allies -- is looming. Spokesmen for the American Shooting Sports Council and the National Shooting Sports Council, which represent gun manufacturers, say they have agreed in principle to back five of President Clinton's proposals to clamp down on access to guns, although they are waiting to see the exact language.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E7D9173FF93AA35756C0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

Looks like we are in Hillaryland again where "losing" = "winning" and "2nd place" = "1st place" and "gun control" = "pro-gun"! :rofl:

[Liberal Veteran]

28. The Clintons are the natural successor to Bush's reign of doublethink.

You can just count that whatever they claim, they will do the exact opposite.

[kevinmc]

30. 8-) If she ever took a Lie Detector test, the machine would blow up. n/t

[jackson_dem]

29. She has always been religious. Is this news?

As to guns she believes in the right to own guns. Obama is the one who wanted to ban possession of handguns--something he ran away from as he became a national politician.

[PoliticalAmazon]

35. She's good at pandering. Even the Asia Times says so...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5470049

[jody]

36. HC is just following BO's lead in supporting the Dem Party that promises "We will protect Americans'

Second Amendment right to own firearms".

The funny thing is seeing BO try to reinvent himself as pro-RKBA when he has a long association with the Joyce Foundation that wants to ban all handguns.

HC's reputation as a gun-grabber is bad but not as bad as BO's.

Do you support the Dem Party Platform's pro-RKBA stance?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

38. Since when has Hillary liked guns!!!!!

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm


Hillary Clinton on Gun Control

Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them
We need to stand firm on behalf of sensible gun control legislation. We have to enact laws that will keep guns out of the hand of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced persons. Congress should have acted before our children started going back to school. I realize the NRA is a formidable political group; but I believe the American people are ready to come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them.
Source: www.hillary2000.org, “Gun Safety” Sep 9, 2000

License and register all handgun sales
Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.”
Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000

Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands
I think it does once again urge us to think hard about what we can do to make sure that we keep guns out of the hands of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced people. I hope we will come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who have no business with them.
Source: Press Release Jul 31, 1999

Gun control protects our children
We will not make progress on a sensible gun control agenda unless the entire American public gets behind it. It is really important for each of you to make sure you stay away from guns. If you have guns in your home, tell your parents to keep them away from you and your friends and your little brothers and sisters.
Source: Forum at South Side Middle School in Nassau County Jul 15, 1999

Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation
We have to do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of children, and we need to stand firm on behalf of the sensible gun control legislation that passed the Senate and then was watered down in the House. It does not make sense for us at this point in our history to turn our backs on the reality that there are too many guns and too many children have access to those guns-and we have to act to prevent that.
Source: Remarks to NEA in Orlando, Florida Jul 5, 1999

Lock up guns; store ammo separately
If you own a gun... make sure it’s locked up and stored without the ammunition. In fact, make it stored where the ammunition is stored separately. We’ve made some progress in the last several years with the Brady Bill and some of the bans on assault weapons, but we have a lot of work to do.
Source: ABC’s “Good Morning America” Jun 4, 1999

[kevinmc]

41. Since about 9am this morning ,,,,,and will revert back to hating them April 23, 2008 n/t

[Beregond2]

43. Her "positive" crapola

sounds just like "Who Moved My Cheese?" The message: if the bosses fuck you over, it's your fault for not being "positive" enough, and willing to adapt. She makes me sick.

[ampad]

47. She has gone too far with this

The blogosphere is going to light her up with this crap and she thought the Bosnia flap was bad. Wait until it gets pointed out that she is anti-gun.

[Liberal Veteran]

50. She just hated guns for awhile after dodging all that sniper fire.

But she's shaken off her bitterness over the harrowing ordeal on the tarmac and is ready to show how much she loves guns.

[Speakingtruth]

56. She did not say she was pro-gun

The NY Times writer, Julia Bosman, made a mistake and was simply paraphrasing her. That's why she did not enclose the "pro-gun" part in quotations. See the link the OP gave us.

[City Lights]

49. Chameleon Clinton.

She puts on a different face for each crowd. People who try to be all things to all people end up standing for nothing.

:thumbsdown:

[Vinca]

52. Obama needs to come out with a totally off the wall statement,

like he believes the red dye in Jell-o is causing people to lose faith. See how long it takes for old Hill to start slurping up Jell-o 24/7 and praising the Lord the whole time she's doing it.

[Speakingtruth]

54. She didn't say she was pro-gun. The Caucus reporter made a mistake

She paraphrased Clinton. It wasn't a quote.

[butterfly77]

55. Oh, Hillary!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Scurrilous]

57. K & R

:thumbsup:

[C_U_L8R]

58. What's next? Hillary in a Camo Pantsuit...

gone Deer Hunting ???

[ecstatic]

60. Her act today was simply disgusting... all her

false patriotic crap and pandering. I'm sure she made Lou Dobbs proud.

[dkf]

61. Are you sure that wasn't SNL doing Hillary Clinton?