One thing is for sure - Obama's remarks are not going to help him with

[jillan]

the blue collar workers that he needed to steal from Hillary's base to win the nomination.

Especially the ones that are religious, or are gun owners.

[anonymous171]

1. He's already won the nomination. He just has to keep his lead.

[GoldieAZ49]

22. 2025 delegates

the super delegates will choose the nominee, their support will go back and forth between the candidates until the convention.

Only when they vote at the convention will the nominee 'win', whichever one it is.

[Bigleaf]

27. Wrong. This will be wrapped up right after North Carolina. They want unity sooner than later.

I'm no longer confident that it is possible. We'll see.

[Bigleaf]

28. Dupe

[bunkerbuster1]

2. The ones that are religions and/or gun owners who'll vote for him aren't stupid.

Stupid people would be the ones who'd actually be upset by what he said, and they were going to vote for McAsshole anyway. Fuck 'em.

[jackson_dem]

5. This is exactly the attitude Obama shares and the problem

Ironic. Obama, the "unity" candidate, reaches out to homophobes but not small town people who go to church and hunt.

[thevoiceofreason]

12. Talking to everyone at my deer lease today (for work day)

In rural Texas, no one was upset with what he said. Those who aren't voting democratic, no matter what, still aren't. Those voting democratic said, in effect, that ever since the subject has turned to the 2nd amendment, or what is more religious abortion, etc), they have made less money. They want Washington to focus on their economic issues, period. And while I don't know what it means to be bitter, they aren't very happy with the DC crowd.

[goclark]

39. I am bitter that GW is President and I bet

a lot of Republicans are too.

Thanks for the insight from Texas.

[Liberal Veteran]

6. That's a fact. Now we will see Hillary pander for bigotted, fundie, gun-loving, angry people vote.

The kind of people that gravitate toward Hannity and Limbaugh anyway.

And her surrogates here will claim that's a good thing.

[virginia mountainman]

19. Cute Cats...

See my Thomas...... :hi:

And yes, I am a Democrat and a rural Gun Owner...don't ask me how Obama's comments rubbed me.......



I certainly know why I own guns.....and he doesn't have a clue....

BTW, those are three, Lee Enfield rifles, all three, are from different nations, and one is from WWI, the other 2 are WWII rifles...

I have many more.......

[Liberal Veteran]

29. Guns don't impress me. I own a gun myself. Always have.

And I grew up in rural Georgia in a southern Baptist household outside of a textile town that has been decimated by NAFTA.

His comments were spot on about people wanting to cling to something. People have been convinced or convinced themselves that it's the liberals, the ACLU, the godless heathens, and anti-gun lobby, the homosexuals, the Muslims, immigrants, etc...that are the cause of this decimation and by working those wedge issues, the republicans have been very successful.

You may not like it, but one needs only listen to AM radio to hear how much frustration and bitterness there is in the type of people that call in to those shows.

[virginia mountainman]

33. Cling to something, yes...

Guns and Religion....NO...

He is dead wrong on that one. Their are "SOME" that cling to religion, but I don't know ANYONE who "clings to guns" because there bitter...

What he said, will be considered incredibly insulting to most rural folk, he just marginalized them. No way around that fact, he made an "excuse" for them, being religious, or gun owning. Their is no need to excuse neither of those things.

Most of us, have owned guns all our lives, and will continue to own them..

They where not their to impress you, I was just wanting to make a point, and show my beloved Thomas!

[Liberal Veteran]

35. I do. I know plenty of people who joined the NRA to fight back against the left...

...who they were told was to blame for their troubles.

[virginia mountainman]

36. Yes...

And that is because, most of the people that where pushing restrictions, had a nice big "D" beside their name...

The NRA does support Democrats, my congressman and state senator are BOTH rated highly by the NRA, and they both are Democrats..

Here is one of my favorite photos...showing Eleanor Roosevelt, taking some target practice!



Heck here is a photo, taken at the same time..showing Mrs. Roosevelt with Nancy Cook, who headed the Woman's Division of the Democratic Party in New York State.



According to Obama, they are Bitter, due to the loss of jobs...

[Liberal Veteran]

45. So then you agree that there are people who are clinging to the wrong idea of who caused their woes?

They may dive into religion, join the minutemen, the klan, the Aryan Nations, the republican party, the NRA, the John Birch Society, you name it, as a way of fighting back against those they perceive as the cause of their problems.

Why do you think it was so easy for Bush to sell the Iraq war?

What Obama was saying is that people can get tunnel vision to the point they cannot see there is larger problem.

I don't see what's wrong with that.

[virginia mountainman]

48. I would agree..

That SOME will get pushed to religion....but these would have been really religious people in the first place, and they would cling to religion, out of faith...Not out of bitterness, but out of faith, in a higher power, that is a BIG difference.

I know of NO ONE, who clings to guns, because of "bitterness"

Bush sold the war on a lie, their is allot of "tunnel vision" in allot of people.....But in those comments, he put HIS tunnel vision on display.

And it really shook me up.

[Liberal Veteran]

52. Timothy McVeigh, street gangs, militias, skinheads....the guns are symbolic.

....of their bitterness and make them feel like they might even things out and empowered.

This isn't something new or radical. He didn't say everyone who owns a gun is bitter and you know that as well as I.

What he said is that some people will find things to latch onto to make them feel more empowered in their frustration and bitterness.

I'll grant that he could have been a bit more specific, but turning this into some kind of anti-gun ownership polemic is disingenuous and unworthy of rational people.

[virginia mountainman]

53. Agree

McVeigh, was just a freak, he wasn't bitter, he was insane. The rest of the groups you mention, are not bitter about jobs, their minds have been poisoned, by poisonous parents. The vast majority of those folks, never had a chance, the deck was stacked against them from the moment of conception.

Yes, He should have been much more specific. But to say that I did not feel a strong "pain" when I first heard it...would be a lie.

[Nitrogenica]

3. It's just another non-issue, sorry. It is an obvious scam for votes.

Will this election, or the election against McCain, ever be anything but "gotcha" politics?

I think it can be if we make it that way.

What would you rather have?

[goclark]

7. See the middle class "bitter" people cheerinfg for him

on the video!

It is fantastic!

They get it!

HC and her BFF McCain don't.get.it.at.all.

HCMC.are.out.to,lunch. :bounce:

[Nitrogenica]

15. That's what I like about Obama, he connects to people using common sense.

One thing we all no about "gotcha" politics is that you have to have no common sense to fall for it.

[goclark]

37. Exactly nt

[ima_sinnic]

38. bwahaha--OT--love your sig line picture!

I have right clicked to steal it for some use or other. :thumbsup:

[City Lights]

4. Steal?

:eyes:

[grantcart]

8. well you know those people are always trying to bring up those other issues

[City Lights]

23. And here I thought people were free to vote for whomever they pleased.

I'm amazed at the things I learn here. :rofl:

The "steal" theme does fit in nicely though with BC's supposed "mugging" in SC. :puke:

[grantcart]

26. you have a lot to learn just ask that uppity Bill Richardson

[City Lights]

30. You talkin' about that bum with a beard who goes by the name of Judas?

:rofl:

[jillan]

44. Steal - win over - whatever? If Obama had the blue collar voters he would have wrapped this up

by now.

You should try some Pepto Bismol for your problem.

[hayu_lol]

10. Might just point out that Obama has not yet...

become the nominee despite the wishful thinking of many.

Isn't it time for him to step down?

[Bensthename]

9. And the "non bitter" workers that just lost their job in PA last week from NAFTA.

[dbonds]

11. Why not, are you being condecending towards them?

Do you think they are not smart enough or human enough to know the state of this country? Do you think they haven't felt the pain of being abandoned by their government?

[Bensthename]

13. Are you talking about these PA blue collar workers? Nah, not bitter..

http://www.reliableplant.com/article.asp?pagetitle=Manufacturing%20job%20losses%20cripple%20growth%20in%20Pennsylvania&articleid=11398

[Bensthename]

17. Answer this if you dare..

[KoKo]

14. When Hillary Drops out...all these comments could be fodder for "GE."

It's what it is. Every statement by a Frontrunner Candidate is parsed over and over by the OP'S that Run it ALL... THE DECIDERS in the Hierarchy of BOTH PARTIES....

I think Obama has been very good so far in "Damage Control." I figure he can manage it in the future.

[GoldieAZ49]

16. religious, or are gun owners?

That is about 90% of the remaining states!

:rofl:

[cooolandrew]

18. Pessimism didn't get us here today. Keep the faith folks, stay upbeat.

[WinkyDink]

20. How would you describe the erstwhile "Reagan Democrats"? I think Obama is right-on.

[JayFredMuggs]

21. Your theory is BULL CRAP!

Bitter, angry American voters know who they are, THEY ARE NOT YOU!

They know he is talking about them, as the forgotten ones..........

You seem to know more than Obama, when were YOU the MCL Harvard Law School graduate who was elected President of Law Review.

Oh, I see, your qualifications are that you support Hillary Clinton?

Enough said about YOUR intelligence and insight into American voters. How is that Hillary "change the rules to make me the candidate" and "landing under sniper fire", Rodham Clinton campaign going? Are you ahead in the popular vote yet?

[babylonsister]

24. If they are thirsty for truth and paying attention, it won't be a problem. nt

[TexanDem]

25. I'm religious and a gun owner he didn't scare me off! He's got my vote!

Too bad I don't live in PA so I could vote there!

[quakerboy]

31. The only sure thing

is that Obama's words will never help him with those die hard Hillary "supporters" here on DU. That truely is the sure thing.

Your assertion on the other hand is biased opinion. The new death blow doesn't seem to have done him any harm with the religious gun owners I know. In PA and elsewhere, it may or it may not. Only the future will tell.

[Avalux]

32. You sure about that?

My Dad:

blue-collar worker

gun owner and hunter safety instructor

Catholic

Voting for Obama :patriot:

(he agrees with Obama's remarks)

[PatGund]

42. Or me

Just made my first donation to Sen. Obama's campaign.

IT worker.

Own a Beretta 9mm

[Avalux]

43. Excellent!

:toast:

[Lerkfish]

34. plonk

[BlooInBloo]

40. Truth is the enemy of a stupid, mean, and bigoted public, no doubt about it.

[nichomachus]

41. How can you say that? That's stupid.

The people who are gun advocates say one of the reasons they want guns is because of the way they've been treated by the government. They're bitter and they want to be able to protect themselves from the government. Obama merely validated what they themselves say.

Or are you saying that these people are liars?

[jillan]

46. Please don't put words in my mouth.

[nichomachus]

47. I put no words in your mouth

I just took your own statements to their logical conclusion and asked you a question.

Maybe, you would be"well-advised to think of the implications of what you say before pressing "Post message.

[jillan]

49. You're taking my statements to your logical conclusion and say you're not putting

words in my mouth?

Haha- that's rich!

[nichomachus]

50. It's not "my" logic -- it's just logic

But, if you're a Hillary supporter, you probably don't know a lot about logic. You can Google it.

[Condem]

51. I think Pirhana is right.

These fuckers are set in their ways.

[solito]

54. Read this Politico story

12 reasons 'bitter' is bad for Obama

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9561.html

[ProSense]

55. "It lets Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) off the mat "? Read this:

It Is So Very Over for Obama Unless He Apologizes Very Soon...

...for being too black and for not being black enough and for being Barack Obama and for being Barry Obama and for beating Hillary in all those states and for not beating Hillary in those other states and for raising more money than either of the other people who are running for President and for raising too much money and for being too much of a Democrat and for not being enough of a Democrat and for being too much of a liberal and for not being enough of a liberal and for wanting to court Republicans and for not wanting to court Republicans and for talking about religion too much and for not talking about religion enough and for talking about religion in the wrong way and for being charming because its really just being slick and for being a great speaker because speeches are just words and for speaking too often and for not speaking often enough and for talking about race too much and for not talking about race enough and for talking about race in the wrong way and for talking about Reagan and for not talking about Reagan and for being just like JFK and for not being enough like JFK and for not being able to convince the superdelegates and for having the support of so many superdelegates and for being a fighter and for not fighting enough and for winning Texas and for losing Texas and for voting YES on some legislation and for voting NO on some legislation and for voting PRESENT on some legislation and for taking his name off the ballot in Michigan and for not keeping his name on the ballot in Michigan and for inspiring so many young voters and for inspiring too many young voters and for having so much African American support and for having too much African American support and for not having enough white support and for having the support of the wrong whites and for not having enough hispanic support and for having support for the wrong hispanics and for having a strong wife and for having black children and for not having white children and for not having hispanic children and for not having alien children and for wanting to talk with foreign leaders and for not wanting to talk to foreign leaders and for going to church, but the wrong church and for having a muslim father, unless he wasn't a muslim father, but maybe he should've been a muslim father and for not having enough experience and for having too much experience, but not the right kind of experience, and for once starting that joke that he didn't know the punchline to and for eating the last double glazed chocolate donut and for pressing the UP button when he really had to go DOWN and for forgetting to log off his Myspace account on a public computer and for smoking and for stopping smoking and for playing basketball well, but not bowling so well and for having the gall to actually have a shot at being the next President of the United States of America!

It intentionally doesn't have any paragraph breaks: a perfect format for the running hissy fits.