Tom Vilsack gets it, just like John Edwards did. Too bad the latte crowd behind Obama doesn't

[jackson_dem]

-snip-

“The most glaring misreading and misunderstanding of people in small towns were Sen. Obama’s comments about God and guns,’’ Vilsack said. “He suggests that in some way the faith of those who live in small towns is superficial. It’s used as a crutch in a time of need. That’s not what I know.

“What I know is that our faith is real and it is rooted. It is the foundation of our values system,’’ he said. “It is what defines how we live our lives, and most importantly of all, how we raise our families. It is true. It is genuine.

“His comment about guns suggests that they are an instrument that we use somehow to protect ourselves from the outside world, to isolate ourselves from the outside world. When in fact, guns are a reflection of what we do with our family and our friends. It’s how we pass on, through hunting, family traditions that are strong and how we form friendships that are lifelong.

“I am deeply concerned about these comments because I think it’s difficult for a Democratic candidate to be successful in a general election if he misreads and misunderstands people who live in small communities, to the extent as reflected in his comments. If we are to be successful in Pennsylvania and West Virginia and Ohio and Missouri and Iowa and Colorado and other states around this country that are made up of a lot of small towns and a lot of people who believe in God and who enjoy hunting, we’re going to have to have someone at the top of our ticket who understands those folks.’’

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obamas_bitter_taste_of_own_wor.html

[PoliticalAmazon]

1. The "latte crowd"? You are proud of using Rove catch phrases against Democrats? n/t

[jackson_dem]

I am a member of the "latte crowd". There is a class schism in our party.

Obama is the candidate of the affluent.

[sellitman]

18. That is rich.

Yet your Millionaire couple squatting in NY are the upholders of the downtrodden I guess?

Yeah sure.

LOL

[jackson_dem]

19. FDR was a rich New Yorker. Was he condescending toward working folks?

How about RFK, another rich New Yorker?

[VolcanoJen]

34. Well, one could make a strong argument that FDR and RFK were ridiculously wealthy....

... long before running for any kind of public office.

Apples, oranges.

[dchill]

99. FDR, RFK, & HRC...

Carnak says: Name two great liberals and a carpetbagger.

[Faygo Kid]

39. No, they told the truth. So did Barack.

Why don't you look beyond the Hillary spin, and go to the substance of the remarks?

Because winning at all costs is what you're about. And so is she.

[northzax]

96. yes, this is about winning.

why would you expect anything less? Ask al gore or john Kerry whether actually winning was important. This is a zero sum game, you don't get a nice ribbon for second place. anyone who uses the line 'win at all costs' need to remember that we have had exactly one democrat win two terms since harry fucking Truman. And that was a guy willing to play rough to win. This is not a child's game, playing nice turns you into a jeopardy answer. Playing nice gives you president mccain.

[roguevalley]

108. fuck the win at all costs shit. if that means becoming the enemy then

no. We can win without that. Obama can win without being a shithead. Hillary can't win and being a shithead, she is actually ensuring her own loss. I cannot wait for her to concede.

[northzax]

122. maybe he can

but then, he hasn't managed to knock out a person who is flat broke, evil, manipulative and shrill. Keep that in mind. Enjoy President McCain, by the way, thank god I have two passports.

[JoFerret]

132. One thing is for sure

MO is no FDR. And MO is no Eleanor. neither of them condescended or patronized.

Trouble with this bitter thingy and how it's being played is that it strikes right at the heart of why many have this instinctive rejection of BO. It is his assumed superiority and holier-than-thou vibe.

(And Hillary is neither of them also. She has a brilliance of her own. And flaws of her own.)

FDR - "first class temperament". Great president.

[JoFerret]

133. self delete

.

[Craftsman]

148. No they weren't, but it is looking like Obigot is.

[cliffordu]

79. As a hunter AND a heavily armed latte liberal I think Hillary's

gun control legislation stances will be biting her on her large, pant suited behind sometime Monday afternoon....

Millionaire squatters, indeed!!!!

[Hoof Hearted]

136. The poll numbers are going to show you who's behind is getting bitten.

and won't you be surprised.

[Blondiegrrl]

104. I make $30,000 a year. I'm filthy rich! Woohoo!

Ooh, and did I mention my 960-square foot mansion? I plan on putting in an Olympic pool and tennis courts.

Your arguments are oversimplified and lame.

[roguevalley]

107. take it to the Hillaryforum group. maybe you can spew on Hannity

and Colmes. He's the elitist. Amazing. And Hillary wasn't a pug growing up and isn't one now. Good. Thanks for straightening me out.

[Cosmocat]

121. JESUS H CHRIST RIGHT !!!

Boy, that pisses me off to NO end ...

I got new for you genius ... Hill, up the moment that Obama become the prohibitive favorite for the dem nomination, was THE FRICKEN LATTE CANDIDATE ...

Christ sake, 20 years of these disingenious jerkoffs using this talking point to cut up and marginalize the democratic party, and now you want to wield it against fellow Ds ???

IF she were to somehow take the nomination, make no mistake, your boy Joe Scarboro would be calling her a latte democrate the very next morning ...

[mckeown1128]

124. umm... My family and I are broke. thanks for being demeaning. nt

[PatGund]

131. As opposed to Ms. $109 Million???

[Texas Hill Country]

156. while there is a huge divide in the democratic party, the real issue is

that for the past 30 years or so, the Republican party has painted an image of the liberals and the Democrats as being godless intellectual elitists... And guess what? The Democrats helped the Republicans do it in many ways!

Obama had it backward.

The people in small towns in Pennsylvania are having dificult times economically, tend to be religious, tend to be traditional and many of them believe deeply in the second ammendment... but economics is not WHY they are traditional, religious or NRA members...

They are not socially and politically conservative because they are bitter about economics... it is why they don't vote Democrat.

The perception is that Democrats are not traditional, not religious and are patriarchal. A vast number of people in small town middle America see the Democrats as being the antithesis to their most core values, values that have been there for generations and generations. Values that were not born out of the economics of the last 20 years, but values that have been handed down from parent to child for 200 years.

As a matter of fact, to many of these people, these values are more important than economics. It is at the core of who they are, as both people and as Americans. These values are how they define themselves, no matter how much money they have.

And so, when someone like Obama says that they cling to religion and guns and accuses them of being racists ans xenophobes, it reinforces this idea, which is the exact opposite of where the party is or needs to be. But more than that, is insulting the core of their culture and their image of self.

It was very very very very bad. very bad.

[rodeodance]

10. i have seen BO folks here on DU use it. Who said it was Rove thingy?? It

is used all over the place.

[VolcanoJen]

29. It's ok to make fun of "latte liberals" but you'd better never call Reagan Democrats bitter

Lesson #1 in "Every Girl's Guide To Phony, Selective Outrage."

;-)

[JI7]

2. Barack Obama WON IOWA

Vilsack couldn't do well in his own state and dropped out seconds after he got into the race.

[jackson_dem]

6. That was before he was exposed as a bigot

[virtualobserver]

13. the word "bigot" is your mantra..are you Sean Hannity, or just someone who agrees with him?

[jackson_dem]

15. Being prejudiced against people because of who they are is not bigoted?

Donnie is that you?

[virtualobserver]

23. I have the misfortune of hearing hannity when I visit my dad every day

You are in total agreement with him. He makes unfounded assertions about Obama, just as you do.

[Craftsman]

152. The biggest differnence between Obigot and the Klan is what they do to their bed linens

If it walks like a duck and quacks liek a duck chances are it answers to the name Daffy or Donald.

[MidwestTransplant]

14. Vilack is a bigot? I am sure you don't mean Barack.

Somehow he continues to trounce HC in polling so either others don't think he is a bigot or they don't care.

[jackson_dem]

24. What polling has been done since he was exposed as a bigot?

[MidwestTransplant]

37. I don't think he was exposed as a bigot but if you are talking about mid March, about 30 days of

polling. Gallup has him up by 10 against Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

52. His small town comments were yesterday. Let's wait and see what happens

[fishwax]

bigot. that's rich

:rofl:

:eyes:

[gabeana]

65. You use the word bigot and you use Jackson as your moniker

the man who supervised the mutilation of 800 or so creek indians, Calling Indians savage dogs, having the bodies of men, women, and children mutilated-cutting off their noses to count and preserve a record of the dead. He had his troops slice long strips of flesh from their bodies to tan and turn into bridle reigns, source American Holocaust, Stannard pg 121

He also had his troops fry their potatoes in Indian Fat, Little Matter Of Genocide, Churchill pg 216

You have the nerve, by your definition, therefore you are not only a bigot but a supporter of Genocide of the American indigenous

and If Jackson was a part of this generations Democratic party I would have no part in it, but I guess you would embrace it

[Blondiegrrl]

106. THANK YOU. That bugs me that anyone would uphold him as some sort of hero. eom

[roseBudd]

84. "That was before he was exposed as a bigot" really? post the link where he said he hates honkies

[cali]

112. you are exactly what you claim Obama is

you couldn't have made that clearer.

[JoFerret]

138. And not by popular vote did he win either.

.

[Debi]

128. with over $400,000 in debt that the Clinton camp promised to make disappear

Iowans know where Vilsack's loyalties lie...with Tom Vilsack.

[Warren DeMontague]

3. What the fuck is a "latte crowd"?

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

seems you do

not read much. Pick up a newspaper.

[tridim]

20. It's now the Arugula crowd. Get with the program man!

BTW, I looked for arugula at the grocery store today. It was $1.49 a bunch. Cheaper than most non-elitist salad greens.

It's also known as Rocket in the UK. It grows like a weed, so it's free there.

[DangerousRhythm]

55. Mmm, I LOVE Arugula.

:D

[JoFerret]

125. Grows wild and rustically all over sounthern Italy

and grew like a "rocket" on the sites of bombed buildings after the London blitz.

[DangerousRhythm]

139. Wow, so...

...is that where it gets the non-US name from? Some of my people are from Southern Italy so maybe the arugula love is in my blood. :D

[Warren DeMontague]

27. The newspaper's going to tell me what a "latte crowd" is?

No, why don't you tell me.

Anyway, I thought readin' was for those uppity elitist types. Real 'Merkins watch 'Merkin Idol while they happily polish their weaponry and pray, right?

[rodeodance]

33. Its the Obama Starbuck's crowd--although

can mean what you want it to.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. I'm sorry, you keep throwing out these little loaded key phrases as if they mean something.

You should try formulating actual sentences with ideas contained in them. Just a thought.

[jackson_dem]

63. There are various groups of voters. Obama understands it. He is the affluent voters choice

[Warren DeMontague]

71. I'm confused about this "Starbucks" thing. Hillary Clinton sat on the Corporate Board of Wal-Mart...

so does that mean she's the Candidate of the "Wal-Mart voter"?

But getting back to this "Starbucks" thing... Whatever one may think of their coffee (I don't like it) Starbucks is an incredibly popular Franchise.. Whoever these "Starbucks Voters" are, there must be an awful lot of them.

Or maybe it was just "Latte Crowd", that was the phrase you used.. It's confusing. If Obama is the Latte Candidate, who is the Mocha Candidate? Is there a Frappucino Candidate? How about a scotch and soda candidate?

Is there something specific to mixing milk with espresso that defines Obama supporters? Is it a subtle reference to his racial makeup? I'm confused. :shrug:

And I thought Obama supporters were all jobless kids who lived with their parents? Or dirty, lazy, pot smoking hippies? That doesn't sound terribly affluent to me. I guess all the affluent people who support Obama had their money handed to them, since they don't (according to other memes we see thrown around here) understand what it is to make a car payment or work for a paycheck. Of course, Obama is a master at self-contradiction, since within the space of a couple months he was accused by Camp Hillary of being insufficiently pro-choice and TOO pro-choice at the same time.

Certainly, I'm sure no Obama supporters have worked as hard as the Clintons must have, to pull in that $110 Million They did over the past 8 years...

...all the while staying so in touch with Reg'Lar Merika.

[rodeodance]

86. you are confused about a lot of things. Comes from living in the past.

[Warren DeMontague]

101. Amazing how you can make 14 words say absolutely nothing.

Really, it's a gift.

[cali]

113. stupid is as stupid does

and as some posters illustrate, it doesn't do very well.

[cornermouse]

115. name calling, personal attack, and ridicule.

Are those democratic values these days?

[cali]

116. I singled out no one.

and stop with the cant about democratic values.

[cornermouse]

117. Why Cali?

Aren't you the one who calls for reconciliation occasionally? Or is reconciliation one of the things that depends on which way the political wind is blowing? Do you even realize how much damage you and your cronies are doing to the online democratic community?

[cali]

119. what?

nope. I haven't called for reconciliation. And the absurd claim that Obama supporters are damaging the online community is a pile of shit. As for people who call Obama a bigot, fuck 'em. They're the disgusting pigs.

[Warren DeMontague]

118. Name calling? Like, say, "latte crowd"?

As for personal attack.. shit, I must not know from personal attacks because someone who doesn't know me from their fucking sock drawer told me I'm "living in the past". :shrug:

Don't know why I'm "living in the past", there was no further explanation given for what I assume must have been intended as some sort of withering insult...

...except that it seems to me that certain Hillary supporters are coming so fucking unglued over her ever-shrinking prospects that they can't even formulate coherent talking points anymore; all they can do is stick together assorted hot-button words and phrases -like "latte" and "snob" and "elite"- refrigerator magnet poetry-style and hope it comes off as the devastating wit they seem to believe it is.

[JoFerret]

126. He does seem to own the young affluent crowd

of leftish centrist white folks.

I don't know how much he appeals to those who see themselves on the edges, fringe etc. The "outsiders". the non mainstreamers. Of course he does capture the AA vote, undestandably enough, irrespective of other aspects within that group.

[JoFerret]

137. Slice and dice the voters

It's the name of the game.
Rove did it well. They all do it now.

[Catherina]

114. It's what some HRC assholes call Obama supporters

"I've got news for all the latte-drinking, Prius- driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies crowding in to hear him speak!" - Clinton surrogate Buffenbarger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBJl4lsoJZs

[Diane R]

4. I truly believe the Clinton have hired Rove. I know Bill admired his work in '04.

[rodeodance]

32. I love this photo of Obama clapping Rove's shoulder--both smiling:

[Cassandra]

49. I see a dialog balloon over Obama's head...

that says, "I can't wait to arrest you and kick your ass". He could think that with a smile.

[Auntie Bush]

72. And they are engaging in a delightful converstion...not just standing

there in a photo op like Clinton and Rezsko. These Guys are communicating...maybe even doing a little political bonding.
:rofl: I love ticking off Obamites!

[merh]

95. LOL - guess you missed this

Karl Rove wants a Republican in the White House. Karl Rove tells GQ he likes Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. "She's actually tried to work with Republicans over the years. has not since he got there. He's been coolly detached and sitting on the side," he says in the new issue. So logically speaking, Karl Rove is telling Democrats to vote Obama. Or is he? Damn you, Karl Rove! You're still toying with our emotions! (Do that rap thing again, c'mon!)

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/04/karl-rove-gq-barack-obama-hillary-clinton.php

[oasis]

105. If so, Rove should share his salary with Obama for making his job so easy.(eom)

[MethuenProgressive]

5. Tom Vilsack is a big D Democrat.

But the DUbamas will attack him for this, no doubt.

[Cassandra]

25. Vilsack is a big DLC democrat...

not quite the same thing, as the DLC prefers.

[jackson_dem]

30. Guess who has more DLC support? Hint: not Clinton

[Cassandra]

43. Clinton's campaign staff,

defenders and style of campaigning is the DLC trying to prove Dean and the grassroots are irrelevant. Who individual DLC members may support may involve other considerations, like their own electoral viability.

[jackson_dem]

54. Oh. So "the DLC" can't even control its members?

Not much of a cabal then, is it? So it is just Al From, who has praised Obama, and Will Marshall.

[parasim]

73. uh... you sure about that?

[eridani]

111. Whose very white, comparatively old state went massively for Obama n/t

[pinkpops]

7. You need to look at this post. This has nothing to do with latte

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5473589

[Vinca]

The Hillary people are grasping at straws and reading so much more

into the statement than actually was there. You should read the comments on this story over on the CNN site. Not many who disagree with Obama. People are hurting and telling them they aren't isn't going to play well with those living it.

[jackson_dem]

12. Obama's internet flock stuffs the ballot box online like Paulites

In the real world this is toxic, especially if O makes it to the general.

You don't get it. It isn't about people being angry. Read Vilsack's comments. It is about the condescending attitude he has to small town people and their culture.

[Vinca]

35. You're seeing what you want to see and nothing will change your mind. nt

[rodeodance]

98. BO has had this condescending attitude towards the working class since the start. Its his problem.

[virtualobserver]

38. the real "condescending attitude" comes from the Hillary crowd.....

thinking that we will believe their spin.

[Zachstar]

8. latte crowd? Enough of your crap jackson_dem welcome to my ignore list.

Just about every post I have seen from you has been about BS and I have given you more than enough time to stop with the democratic party harming crap.

Welcome to my ignore list!

[pinkpops]

17. Andrew Jackson:

"Jackson's attitude toward Native Americans was paternalistic and patronizing -- he described them as children in need of guidance....and believed the removal policy was beneficial to the Indians.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2959.html

[jackson_dem]

21. Damn. So Barack Obama must endorse that bad part about Jackson!

As well as Jefferson, FDR and their racism/sexism as well as JFK's appointment of segregationists.

-snip-

This is our moment. This is our time for change. Our party - the Democratic Party - has always been at its best when we've led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we've called all Americans to a common purpose - a higher purpose.

We are the party of Jefferson, who wrote the words that we are still trying to heed - that all of us are created equal - that all of us deserve the chance to pursue our happiness.

We're the party of Jackson, who took back the White House for the people of this country.

We're the party of a man who overcame his own disability to tell us that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; who faced down fascism and liberated a continent from tyranny.

And we're the party of a young President who asked what we could do for our country, and the challenged us to do it.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obamas_speech_to_virginias_jef.html

[pinkpops]

40. Jackson was Human and imperfect like all the rest of us

except you, obviously.

[jackson_dem]

48. I admit it. I am Barack Obama. How did you figure it out?

I only post here to test how devoted my followers are. You all make me proud. YES WE CAN!

[Moochy]

147. There's "human imperfection"

then there is genocidal racism.

Equate the two at your own peril.

[virtualobserver]

9. that really makes me lose respect for Vilsack

disgraceful

[grantcart]

11. Tom Vilsack gets it that HRC is his only ticket out

fortunately the people of Iowa got it a long time ago

[anonymous171]

16. "Latte crowd"?

Fuck you.

[DefenseLawyer]

22. "Latte drinking, brie eating, dope smoking, tree hugging..."

What the fuck is wrong with these people? They would rather have Hillary run again McCain in 2012 than see a Democrat in the White House. Hillary quotes Grover Fucking Norquist and Tom Vilsack paints a caricature of progressives right out of a Club For Growth attack ad. All you people that keep saying how healthy this extended primary is can kindly shut the fuck up now.

[jackson_dem]

28. There is a class divide in our party. It is the affluent who are with Obama

Working folks are with Clinton. Are we to ignore this just as we are "supposed" to ignore racial demographics and their impact on voting too?

[Warren DeMontague]

36. "Working folks are with Clinton." You mean, like Lobbyists? I guess Lobbying is "work".

You mean her insurance industry donors? Yeah, I suppose they're workin'.

I love it. Obama- the ex-community organizer- is the Elitist... while Hillary and Bill, who made- what- $110 Million since he left office? are the Reg'lar folks.

It's a page straight out of Dubya's "brush-cutting on the ranch" charade. :eyes:

[jackson_dem]

51. I mean exit polls. Obama does better the more income people have. Just like a rethug

;)

[Warren DeMontague]

66. And bipedal carbon based life forms on planet Earth support him, just as they supported Hitler.

Astounding indictment of Senator Obama!

[VolcanoJen]

44. You can shove your sweeping generalizations.

I'm as much a "working folk" as the next asshole, and I'm sure as hell not with Hillary Clinton.

I'm so fucking tired of Chris Matthews politics. Stop trying to put everyone in a box.

[virtualobserver]

Sean Hannity was cloned and this is the result

[VolcanoJen]

59. Clearly.

:toast:

[Faygo Kid]

45. Yeah, those black voters in Mississippi love their lattes.

Working folks are being manipulated and talked down to by Clinton.

We have no common ground here, so I won't waste my time further, except to wave goodbye.

[jackson_dem]

56. That is the difference between Obama and Dean (and Bradley)

Obama has 85-90% black support in each state behind him on top of affluent voters. Dean didn't and lost quickly.

Speaking of Memphis, Clinton and even McSame went there on 4/4. Why didn't Obama?

[proud2BlibKansan]

130. Maybe Obama realized a parade wave and a smile from the spot where Dr King died

was just a bit disrespectful.

[virtualobserver]

46. in reality- Hillary is trying to create one for her own benefit. She's a class divider, not a uniter

[DefenseLawyer]

50. You are helping to CREATE a class divide, where none exists

I hate to tell you sparky, but there aren't enough "affluent" democrats in this country to be beating your candidate like a drum the way she has been all over the country. What do you possibly have to gain by creating a wedge between democrats? Just admit you would rather support Hillary in 2012 than see Obama beat McCain. That's really what it comes down to. It's a sad state of affairs.

[jackson_dem]

60. Sparky, you need to get the facts. The popular vote margin is 2.6% excluding FL and MI

Including FL it is 1.4%. Where does that slim margin come from?

It is unlikely that I would support Clinton in 2012. I supported Edwards this time.

[DefenseLawyer]

68. So you're saying it is 50/50 and 50% of Democrats are "affluent"

2% of Americans make over $200,00.00 a year. I guess that means that only 4% of Americans are Democrats. Get a clue.

[Bjorn Against]

74. I am a working folk and I am not with Clinton...

I make less than 30K a year, I am by no means wealthy and I am not supporting Clinton and neither are many other working class people that I know.

[Seabiscuit]

103. I don't drink latte, but I eat brie sometimes and many years ago I used to smoke pot. As for

"tree hugging" I am an environmentalist, if that's what that dumbass phrase is supposed to mean.

We didn't call it "dope'. We called it "pot" or "weed". In Europe it was hashish.

I make my own coffee. I almost never order it from a restaurant (and when I do it's either plain or a capuccino) and I refuse to patronize Starbucks and their obscene prices.

I'm a progressive but not an elitist.

I supported Gore in 200, Dean in 2004 and Edwards in 2008. I care about poverty. I was poor for many years. Many years later I'm rich, but not elitist. I support no one right now.

So screw anyone who doesn't approve my appreciation of a large variety of cheeses. Believe me, brie is just the tip of the iceberg....:)

I also think Obama became not only corrupted but also mentally lazy once he graduated from law school and got involved in all that dirty Chicago politics.

How anyone could come up with that quote of his about "bitterness" the other day is beyond me. It was so incredibly dumb on so many levels. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot with a machine gun.

Just some random thoughts... strewn around aimlessly... about nothing in particular.

[DefenseLawyer]

150. That must have been some powerful weed

from years ago, because it appears that you are still high.

[Seabiscuit]

157. That must be some powerful

anti-asshole medications the doctor prescribed for you.

Because when you're off them you're an asshole's asshole.

[DefenseLawyer]

159. Easy now.

Your take was just kinda rambling, that's all. No need for such bitterness.

[Seabiscuit]

160. Please read the warnings on the label

on the bottle you picked up at the pharmacy.

The ones that warn of assholery and hypocrisy if you forget to take the prescribed daily dose. And it *must* be taken in combination with your other prescription - the antidote for kool-aid Obamazombia.

Repeat 3X a day for 30 days for full beneficial effect.

[DefenseLawyer]

161. Can you get back to talking about how you make your own coffee?

It's riveting.

[Seabiscuit]

163. Sure. Here 'ya go:

[DefenseLawyer]

164. Excellent

Now if you can give us your thoughts on the finer points of cheese, I know everyone here would appreciate it immensely.

[Seabiscuit]

165. Alrighty. Got cheese?

See also:

http://www.cheese.com/

[fishwax]

26. Vilsack doesn't seem to get it at all

Obama didn't say their faith was superficial or that they used their guns to protect themselves from the outside world. :shrug:

[jackson_dem]

31. Yeah and Trent Lott didn't "say" he believed in segregation either. It was implied

[datopbanana]

42. it's only implied if you have an agenda and are looking for something that's not there

[fishwax]

57. I don't see the connection

The two situations are obviously different. Lott spoke nostalgically for a platform of segregation. BO spoke analytically about the roots of a specific phenomenon. Saying that faith has its roots in a specific cause doesn't in any way imply that said faith is superficial. Otherwise, anyone trying to explain the roots of their faith would render it superficial. People turn to religion for all kinds of reasons, including crisis (the death of a loved one, a serious illness, the loss of a job, etc.). Pointing that out isn't a slam on faith in any way, shape, or form.

[Lerkfish]

47. ok, I gave you guys a week's amnesty, but I see you're not improving your game

so plonk.

[Clovis Sangrail]

53. I don't agree with the interpretation of what Obama meant

but I've spent a good amount of time in the bible belt, and Vilsack 'gets' that beating his chest makes the idiots happy.

Belief in God / Church is a joke among ~80% of the yayhoos that play the religion game here.
For the most part it's nothing more the a social club.. something they were taught they 'should do' and are too fuckin' sheeplike/stupid to do any different.
They just want to belong to something and don't give a rat's ass about 'God'.

I don't mean everybody who goes to church out here is like that... just most of them.

"Love your fellow man" unless they're gay.
"do unto others.." unless they're muslim.
"murder is a mortal sin" but is acceptable if the dead children are Iraqi.

All of the homophobic hypocritical war supporting "church goers" can fuck right off.
I hope they die in fuckin' car fires.

I wish Obama had the balls to call the sheep what they are... but he doesn't... and he didn't.

[nichomachus]

58. Latte crowd? What an absolutely breathtakingly stupid wedge

Any "Democrat" who uses it should be tarred and feathered

[virtualobserver]

61. having Dem in your name doesn't force you to behave like one

Just as Hillary parrots the right wing talking points, so do her "supporters"

[jackson_dem]

62. Wedge? This from a supporter of a candidate who uses homophobi, ageism, and racism to win

:eyes:

[virtualobserver]

64. your posts would be funnier if they were less insane

[Warren DeMontague]

102. Yeah. Insane posts can be funny for a while, but there's a steep drop-off.

This one has ventured too far into full-fledged derangement territory.

[nichomachus]

67. I don't follow you

If you're talking about me, I'm not a supporter of anyone. I'm just kind of enjoying the "food fight" on DU, except that the Hillary supporters are now throwing knives.

I, however, refused to be defined by the beverages I drink. I like latte. I like coffee. I like baseball in the bleachers. I like opera. I like soccer. Anyone who tries to pigeonhole me based on a superficiality has already exposed themselves as an idiot.

[Condem]

69. Vilsack, Jackson?

I'm in Iowa. He couldn't get off that stage fast enough the night Hillary lost our caucus. He's trying to save some face.

[Moochy]

142. So you admit it's a wedge eh Wedgey boy?

[grannylib]

70. I am not part of the "latte crowd" and am an Obama supporter;

I take what he says in the context of his life and his experience and his work, not as a sound bite used to tar him with a broad brush.
I get it. He gets it.

Mountains are being made out of molehills out of desperation.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

75. people are pissed at the Bush governement and hillary is apologizing for Bush

[Inspired]

76. Don't use the words Vilsack and Edwards in the same sentence.

Vilsack is no friend to John Edwards.

[TLM]

77. notice again... obama bashers and haters can only quote...

other haters' spin, and not Obama's actual words.

[madrchsod]

80. it`s difficult to understand complex ideas...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

78. Vilsack - past chairman of the DLC (aka - Republican wing of the Democratic Party) 'nuff said.

[TML]

81. Vilsack = DLC hack

And don't go whining about that Robert Horry body check on Steve Nash, either. My Spurs are going to beat your Suns like a dirty rug again this year.

[Condem]

83. I'll tell you something, TML

His wife is the fuckin coolest person in the world. Met her at the Iowa State Fair in 04. The absolute best!

[TML]

87. I'll tell you something

His wife has nothing to do with this dispute. Leave her out of it.

[Name removed]

88. Deleted message

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[TML]

89. Thanks for the personal attack

;-)

[Condem]

90. Sorry, TML- My bad.

[TML]

91. No worries

Jackson_dem and I have a few "issues" with his trolling. That's all.

[Condem]

92. Thanks, TML

[Inspired]

120. That cracks me up. She made a snide comment once about Elizabeth.

And she wears stupid hats but I know what she wears on her head isn't important.

It is what is inside her head that is.

I can't stand Christie Vilsack.

[madrchsod]

82. what has edwards said about this issue?

do you have a link?

[myrna minx]

85. Oh for heaven's sake, enough with the latte silliness. n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

93. Very good article - Obama is out of touch with a majority of Americans

Lack of judgement

[Condem]

94. And how do the majority of Americans think, Goldie?

[kwenu]

97. Carter/Gore PLEASE take her away!!! Her supporters have become Republicans.

[Texas Hill Country]

151. Carter? Carter is a political waste of space. He and Dubya just need to stay out of politics.

[PerfectSage]

100. So how is Hillary gonna win the GE if she pisses off the latte liberals?

She's all ready lost the afro American vote. Bill only barely cracked 40% of the white vote in 92 & 96.

Can Hillary afford to lose another Democratic party base?

[Mz Pip]

109. You can pry my latte

from my cold dead hands.

[wisteria]

110. I am a Obama supporter and I resent being classified as a latte drinker.

Actually, I can't afford the drink. I am a service worker and I have a daughter who's college tuition I am still paying off. I don't see my daughter very often though, because she could not find decent work in the SMALL PA TOWN I LIVE IN. She had to move five hours a way in order to find a position that paid well enough and had benefits so that she could support herself. I see the dispare all around me. People having to work two or three part time jobs in order to just get buy. No health care, the emergency room serves as their doctor when needed. Girls getting pregnant because they have nothing else to look forward too. Run down stores, roads, homes. And no prospects for the future.
I know exactly what Senator Obama is talking about and I KNOW HE UNDERSTANDS. I take no offense at his remarks. I hope his honesty will open up a new dialog and we can actually get something accomplished for once in this country. And, as for Senator Clinton, I have no respect left for her. She represents the empty promises of years past when people like her husband were given the opportunity to help out SMALL COMMUNITIES LIKE MINE, AND THEY DID NOTHING. Tom Vilsack is included in that bunch. He comments mean nothing to me because I know he was and is supporting Clinton. In other words, their outrage at Senator Obama's remarks in contrived and politics at it worse. I hope this backfires on all of them.

[Hippo_Tron]

123. Yea Tom Vilsack, his presidential campaign lasted all of 5 days

So I'm sure he knows a thing or two about politics

:eyes:

[Debi]

127. What Tom Vilsack got was his campaign debt paid off by Clinton supporters

and all he delivered was a 3rd place position in Iowa's contest for Clinton.

Tom Vilsack doesn't get it. He certainly has no idea about winning in the states he listed. Vilsack didn't know Iowa well enough to make it to the Caucuses IN HIS OWN STATE, after having his chosen candidate fail in his Gubernatorial bid. (Mike Blouin lost in the primary to Chet Culver who went on to win the general election. Culver has endorsed Senator Obama).

Tom Vilsack :rofl:

(wishing there was a good barking dog smilie....)

[proud2BlibKansan]

129. Well I drink lattes

I guess it doesn't go through your mind that you are insulting many Democrats. :crazy:

[Moochy]

141. You assume this bot has wetware in it

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

134. Y'know.

You remind me of someone.

[bigbrother05]

135. Watch this video, he was right before anyone said he was wrong

This is from a 2004 interview with Charlie Rose. Obama has been talking about this for nearly four years. Maybe he thought that anyone who he spoke with had actually experienced what has been happening in our country. Guess he forgot that in the world of gotcha media and politics you have to explain yourself like you're teaching a 3rd grade Sunday School class.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/188674.php

[Tippy]

149. Thank you so much for the video.....I wish his campaign would use it ....

Anyone who has not yet watch this please do...and post a link everywhere you can.....

[Moochy]

140. I want to throw a triple Latte at you

I hate your tactics. (hate the tactics, not the tactician)

[PVnRT]

143. "Latte crowd" lol

Any other Limbaughisms you'd like to toss around?

[bluestateguy]

144. I do not like latte

Tish and I never order that when we are at brunch at the country club.

[SeaLyons]

145. K&R

:kick:

[SoxFan]

146. "The Latte Crowd"

My grandparents were immigrants from Ireland.

One grandfather worked at the H.P. Hood Dairy plant in Charlestown, the otherwas a Teamster with the First National supermarket company in Boston.

My father was a sales rep for a publishing company, and my mother works as an adinistrative assistant for her exurban town of about 6,000 people. Both are lifelong Democrats, though my mother did vote for John Anderson in 1980.

I graduated from a public college and a public law school. I was able to pay for my education because of an Army national Guard tuition assistance plan and the GI Bill.

I serve as an alderman in Manchester, NH and represent a district that includes some of the poorest urban neighborhoods in northern New England.

I serve as a member of a committee that advocates for affordable and safe housing and more responsive government in inner-city neighborhoods.

My wife grew up in a small town in southeast Arkansas, where her mother was a social worker and her father was the postmaster.

She works for a shelter that takes care of homeless families with children.

I prefer Dunkin Donuts iced coffee, but she will occasionally get a mocha latte when she hangs out with friends at the Barnes and Noble coffee shop.

I drive a beat up old mini van, and I own more Red Sox caps than any sort of designer clothing.

I don't care for NASCAR, but I love to watch hockey. Especially a chippy game with a few fights.

I support Barack Obama.

Mr. Jackson Dem, kindly take this "latte" crap and go away.

[JasonHill]

153. A plea to posters here

is this the sort of rhetoric you want to see in the Democratic Party, where if you are of a different class you are automatically a scapegoat to be focused on with contempt despite what your beliefs might be? It doesn't matter if you support Hillary or Obama, you should reject this characterization of other Dems. It does absolutely nothing but hurt liberalism by obfuscating the central important issues where liberals have the democratic advantage to wedge issue nonsense.

All Dems and liberals should reject this and Fight back to being labeled elitist or being someone of the "latte" crowd. Don't let the conservatives paint the party this way.

[smiley_glad_hands]

155. I agree. Using republican frames against dems is bad for business.

Despite what Hilliary has done and said I will still vote for her over mcsame should she somehow slink away with the nomination. She opened a big can of worms when she attacked obama the way she did. She threw the entire progressive movement under the bus.

[smiley_glad_hands]

154. Still throwing progressives under the bus? eom

[rodeodance]

158. I do not consider many of the BO fans progressive.

[FlaGranny]

162. I'll have to

tell my husband, a 69-year-old janitor, that he is now a member of the latte crowed. I'm sure he'll be thrilled. I know I am. I'm now also a full-fledged member of the latte crowd, an elderly HS graduate working as a clerk. Isn't it wild how people like us can become members of this here latte crowd? Yesiree!!!

[Orsino]

166. Are the "latte crowd" those folks who lump other folks together in Republican stereotypes?

I can never keep up with current framing.

:eyes: