As an Obama supporter, I am afraid the Hillary supporters will make McCain the next Prez.

[JayFredMuggs]

I am very fearful of the comments and posts here, accusing Obama of being everything from a drug dealer to a Black Separatists, an Anti-Semite, a "car thief": there seems to be no end to the baseless negative accusations hurled at Barack Obama. If one were to believe ANY of them, (never proved true, but hurled daily here), one would never knowledgeably vote for the man in the General Election!

The alternative? FOUR MORE YEARS of Bush.... now in the person of John McCain, who has changed virtually every position on every issue in order to be the Republican nominee.

Where are the people who oppose Bush/McCain more than they oppose Obama? Seems like only Obama supporter oppose Bush/McCain now.. and Hillary supporters claim that Obama is the ultimate misogynist for opposing her claim to be President, just because she's the only woman to dare to run this year, and her husband was kind of a good administrator, despite his personal flaws. Feminists defend Hillary as the rightful heir to the Presidential throne, despite her husband's overt, and DNA documented sexual proclivities while in the office of the President of the United States. Feminists here find it easy to "excuse" Bill, given the great economy of the second part of the 90's.


Yeah, OK, now we have a person who out-and-out LIES several times in her campaign, gets less votes from the people of the USA, less money, less pledged delegates, and somehow she's still supposed to be nominated to be the Dem final candidate? This despite her campaign blunders? Despite her husband's mis-steps? Despite her lackluster seven year Senate record? We are supposed to select HER, when all polls and elections show she has less votes in the Primaries and Caucuses? OK!

Now, here's a little lesson in politics, which was true until Florida had a stupid ballot in 2000,

the person with the most votes wins elections! So our candidate for the general election will be Barack Obama, something Hillary supporters seem intent upon destroying here.

Now WHY are so many Democrats here on this forum trying to elect John McSame in November by destroying Obama?

I await your answers.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. It's Hillary's turn. Obama is taking it away from her and that's just wrong.

:sarcasm:

[JayFredMuggs]

13. Oh I love sarcasm, almost as much as truth about forgotten Americans who are bitter

And Hillary still doesn't get it.

[GarbagemanLB]

2. The Hillbot channel is Fox....that tells you all you need to know about them and their beliefs.

[jackson_dem]

3. Yeah and I am afraid Obama will make Mcsame the next prez

That is why I am against Obama, who is a toxic ge candidate.

[JayFredMuggs]

16. Only to you, who really claims that he is "toxic"

So you will support McSame against Obama?

Is THAT what you are saying?

Let's face it, America is not perfect, elect John McSame and make it less perfect, or elect a man who calls it like it is, and is willing to stand up for those who lose their union jobs 10 years ago and still feel bitter.

[MethuenProgressive]

4. Obama's big mouth will make McCain the next President.

Axlerod needs to tell BO to STFU.

[GarbagemanLB]

5. Sort of like Hillary to Bill about snipergate? lol

[Starbucks Anarchist]

12. Zing!

[VolcanoJen]

26. Yowch!!!

Nice. :thumbsup:

[Bensthename]

9. WTF are you talking about???

What has he said. PA workers are bitter? Oh no not that. Read this if you dare.

http://www.reliableplant.com/article.asp?pagetitle=Manufacturing%20job%20losses%20cripple%20growth%20in%20Pennsylvania&articleid=11398

[melody]

19. No, the McClinton group task force to take out Obama will make McCain President n/t

[leftofcool]

28. Good God, yes he does!

I think O is toast now though. This latest hoof in mouth was the final nail in the coffin.

[Bensthename]

6. I totally agree. Just because she has lost she is going to make sure Obama does too.

[Nitrogenica]

7. I don't think they're worth worrying over, myself. They are as powerful as you make them.

I find some of them to be breathtakingly childish. It is very troubling, but I think ultimately their efforts won't matter.

We have a very strong campaign against McCain that hasn't started yet.

[JayFredMuggs]

20. I sure hope you are right

But the Obama-hate campaign here on the DU is amazing.

People claim he's an anti-semite, a racist, too young, too black, too white, too outspoken, too silent.

I really worry about this type of Democrat posting on here, the ones that confirm McSame will be the next Prez, because they hate someone who challenged Hillary to be better. The shame is that Hillary could have arisen to the challenge, but she didn't, nor did her supporters.

[Nitrogenica]

27. Well ignore, fight, do what you have to do. They're prolly righties anyway.

[KoKo]

8. Heck...I'm worried Obama Supporters will make McCain the Next President for 4 Years!

Sheesh...I guess we are "EVEN" on our Predictions! :eyes:

[baldguy]

10. That's the plan.

She can't win in '08, and McCain can't last two terms. She's setting the stage for another run in '12.

[LaurenG]

11. I'm not

not at all. x(

[RememberWellstone]

14. I feel the same about Obama

Amazing.

[Redbear]

15. As an Obama supporter, I am afraid that the Obama supporters will

make McCain the next Prez.

Arrogance and disdain for those who don't agree with us will surely be our downfall.

[Bensthename]

21. Obama supporter?? Who are you fooling? Not me.

[crankychatter]

22. another new person with eyes wide open

as my kids say

you GO, Dawg

:-)

[Redbear]

38. I voted for Obama on March 4, caucused for him that evening and I was

an Obama delegate at our county convention.

But I refuse to join your hatred of Sen. Clinton and ask you to realize we will need everyone of her supporters in Denver and in November.

[JayFredMuggs]

51. I agree 100%

None of us should hate each other for wanting to get rid of Bush/McSame!

[Bensthename]

54. Yah, but..

She is taking this "bitter" word waaaaaaay out of context. And it is not just this time. Their is a reason Obama supporters are pissed. She puts McCain above Obama, she lies, and even though her own campaign admits she has a 10% chance (actually it is 5%) she is doing her damnedest to destroy Obama. And in a way that he will not be able to recover for the general election. She is taking his words out of context and is clearly trying to make something of him that he isnt. There is no excuse for her.

If Obama comes out of this unelectable does it really matter how Obama supporters have acted? At least some can say we tried to stop her. Raise enough hell and people will listen. We need to walk the streets like in the MLK days.

You can sit back and pat yourself on the back for "taking the high road" but she isnt going to win the nomination. And if she causes him to lose the gen election just so she can stay in for what ever sick ass reason, then well.... I'll stop there.

[Bensthename]

53. Well, normally I wouldn't but the fact that she is trying get McCain elected pisses me off.

She is taking this "bitter" word waaaaaaay out of context. And it is not just this time. Their is a reason Obama supporters are pissed. She puts McCain above Obama, she lies, and even though her own campaign admits she has a 10% chance (actually it is 5%) she is doing her damnedest to destroy Obama. And in a way that he will not be able to recover for the general election. She is taking his words out of context and is clearly trying to make something of him that he isnt. There is no excuse for her.

If Obama comes out of this unelectable does it really matter how Obama supporters have acted? At least some can say we tried to stop her. Raise enough hell and people will listen. We need to walk the streets like in the MLK days.

You can sit back and pat yourself on the back for "taking the high road" but she isnt going to win the nomination. And if she causes him to lose the gen election just so she can stay in for what ever sick ass reason, then well.... I'll stop there.

[JayFredMuggs]

24. It's really "ARROGANT" to speak the truth

about some Americans

I really think this is about race, not about issues. Obama is the ONLY candidate to talk about the real issues in America, Hillary is selling us a fantasy.......McCain, just doesn't get it.......a wonderful hero, but no leader.

If you support Obama, for real, you will try to understand the context, to full speeches, not the sound clips.

If you are NOT an Obama supporter, perhaps you have the integrity to admit that on an anonymous forum. Otherwise, you made no point, and just made yourself look silly.

[Redbear]

47. I've voted for Obam three times now, primary , cacus and county convention

Sen. Obama is a wonderful man, who does speak much truth. He would never say something like:

"... Hillary supporters claim that Obama is the ultimate misogynist for opposing her claim to be President, "

Obama is great and full of class. My only wish is that we would all follow his example.

[dorktv]

71. no kidding.

[crankychatter]

17. they'll do it every time - it's the war

follow the money

I've been watching since JFK

know your enemy

this is not about Clinton's ego, avarice or ambition

I know you get it...

it's a bad time for a split but have you considered this?...

this is the coups d grace of Rove's bid for a permanent GOP majority, in the form of institutionalized Democratic COMPLICITY.

[C_U_L8R]

18. That's exactly what they want...

they're working the Hillary 2012 campaign right now.

[depakid]

23. It's the primary season!

And people pointing out Obama's flaws and weaknesses (just as many point out Hillary's) is to be expected.

Many of us aren't buying everything Obama's selling- and aren't interested in marching down the primrose path to defeat in November.

That's what nomination fights and convention are all about....

[Lou Queb]

25. I wonder if the BO/HRC ''schism'' will damage the party altogether

It seems to me, here at least, that some posters are way opposed to Hillary Clinton, and that reflects on the Clinton supporters who turn angry. Is this linked in some ways to the factions within the dem party with the Clintonians/DLC versus the more leftist ones ?

[JayFredMuggs]

32. Very good questions!

I have a feeling that 99% of Obama supporters will vote for Clinton is she were the nominee.

I DO NOT have the same feeling about Hillary supporters voting for Obama. And I see such hateful racist, baseless posts here, day after day, about Obama as an Anti-Semite, Obama as a racist, Obama as a misogynist, Obama as "elite", Obama as too black, too white, too inexperienced, too hateful, too forgiving, too naive, too sophisticated.

AMAZING how many excuses Americans can come up with for not supporting the Democratic Party's front-runner.

Karl Rove must be singing and dancing about how this is going. Democrats destroy their own party with their own racist, misogynistic prejudices.

Obama, if elected, will be the end of all these petty schisms, if he's not, and we are faced with McSame for four more years, we have only Hillary supporters to blame.

[2rth2pwr]

29. Obama is doing a good job of destroying his candidacy all on his own.

[JayFredMuggs]

37. Oh that's a RICH statement! Care to tell us how?

Winning more votes than Hillary destroys his candidacy how?

O, maybe you don't watch the news, don't watch the clips


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

Try to see the whole clip, if you can't perhaps you should just state that you can't, without making stuff up.

[2rth2pwr]

41. Obama says he regrets impact of his remarks about "bitter" small-town Americans

In the interview, Obama was asked whether he would apologize to small-town Americans who were offended by his quote in San Francisco.

Obama said: "Well look, if there - obviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=132&topic_id=5474139&mesg_id=5474738

[JayFredMuggs]

50. That's fine, if Obama offended, he will regret it,

But if he merely spoke the truth as he say it, I doubt any small town unemployed Pennsylvanian, or Indianan, would hold it against him for speaking the truth. He was NOT insulting them for being "bitter"! We ALL know that!

[cbayer]

30. I would ask you to consider, just consider, that this cuts both ways.

It gives me chills from both sides. There are supporters on both sides that continue to express the same baseless, negative accusations at the other candidate. There are those on both sides that repeatedly state that they will not EVER vote for the other candidate.

There are some on both sides who appear to hate the other democratic candidate more than they hate McCain and his platform. This terrifies me and will be, in the end, our weakest link.

I don't think these people are capable of seeing what they are doing. They see everything on their side as right and everything on the other as wrong.

Now WHY are so many Democrats here on this forum trying to elect John McCain in November by destroying the other democratic nominee?

Please spare me the math arguments. Clinton has the right to continue in this race as long as she wants and members of the democratic party on this board have the right to support her. It is not the candidates that are destroying this party, it is some of their supporters on both sides.

[JayFredMuggs]

39. As long as you are willing to vote for either one, I agree

"Clinton has the right to continue in this race as long as she wants and members of the democratic party on this board have the right to support her."


This was a wonderful question you asked.

"
Now WHY are so many Democrats here on this forum trying to elect John McCain in November by destroying the other democratic nominee?"

[cbayer]

45. I would walk through fire to vote for either one.

Thanks for your very civil reply.

I struggle with the question. I think that many truly believe that their candidate is the only one that can really win the GE and are truly fearful of another loss. I don't think this country can withstand another Republican administration, particularly a McCain administration. I remain hopeful that either of our candidates can beat McCain, but I am only able to do this because I recognize that DU does not truly represent the populace - thank god.

[jillan]

31. Newsflash - Hillary supporters feel the same way about Obama v McCain.

Face reality - neither of them are perfect.

[Kittycat]

35. Newsflash - Hillary is the one losing.

[saracat]

33. I have NEVER heard barack referred to as either a "drug dealer or "car thief" on DU. That is just

hyperbole to inflame. President Clinton did make a "joke " about that barack will next say he "isn't a car their" because it is obvious he isn't.
As far as his being a "black separatist" there is some evidence he at least explored inclinations in that direction. he himself refers to it in "dreams from my father". The speculation on his being an anti _semite arises from his relationship with Luis Farrakhan, who is an anti -semite. Barack has a history with him. I do not believe he is an anti semite but he does hang with questionable associates in regard to this.

It seems as though you think no questions should be asked about Obama. It is not just the Hillary supporters, but all voters can and should be asking questions about ALL the candidates. I see no reason fort Barack to be sancropect. If these questions didn't come up in the Democratic primary, they were going to come up in the GE if Barack gets the nomination.None of these things can be hidden.Nor should they be, anymore than anything about Mccain or Hillary.
For us as Democrats, it is really better that this come out NOW. It is much better than being surprised with it in the GE. It is possible that by emerging early, we can deal with this an move on , no matter who is the nominee. We really don't want some of this happening in November.

If Barack Obama is meant to win in November, he will win. If he loses, it will not be the fault of the Hillary campaign , or what anyone else has said. It will be the fault of his campaign and how they deal with missteps. because that isn't the object of this post). Just as it would be for any other candidate.(For the sake of argument, I am NOT going to factor election fraud into this equation

[nichomachus]

34. If Obama can stand up

to the assaults coming from the Hillary Attack Machine®, he should have no problem with McCain -- especially since the Hillary campaign and McCain campaign both seem to be guided by the same organization.

[butterfly77]

36. They would rather suffer...

and fight wars until the end, because of some neocons dream to bring democracy to another country and because they hate someone's skin color, is this what Democracy looks like.

[JayFredMuggs]

43. So we all agree, if Obama or Hillary is the nominee

We will all vote for him/her?

I doubt people who post here will be doing thiat, most Hillary supporters seem hell-bent upon denying Obama the right to be President.

Few if ANY Obama supporters feel the same. Think about it!

[Condem]

40. Damn, JayFred

It must be the weather. 37 degrees here in Iowa. Puts you in a melancholy state. You have a good point.

[JayFredMuggs]

48. It's over 70 degrees where I am, and I'm feeling happy

Poor Iowa folks, those who helped Obama meet the first test, you folks are our hero's......thinking independently as you do, with no regard for color of skin, or gender, you pick the winners for the Dems.........I hope your weather improves.

I am basking in the sunset at 70 degrees. Sorry you are not here to join me.

I hope all Dems come together with one or the other, I think Obama has a slight edge with his honesty and his candor, but that's just me.

[Condem]

49. JayFred

Ya fookin cheered me up!

[Evergreen Emerald]

42. ohmygod. Now it is morphed to: "Its all Clinton AND HER SUPPORTER'S FAULT"

[boston bean]

44. Don't you know barack is not responsible in any way shape or form. He is perfect. We are imperfect

for not recognizing it.

what a joke!

[Condem]

46. Hey, MassDemm

Why the fuck are you so angry? Is it all just slipping away?

[Evergreen Emerald]

60. She is angry, if she is anything like me

because of idiots who have dehumanized and vilified an outstanding Senator, such that it is ok to call her vile names and attack her constantly with such hate and ugliness that it makes one angry.

She is angry, if she is anything like me, for the fact that DU was a safe haven where we could find the truth. It has been inflitrated by Obama attack-supporters who do not care if Clinton is a democrat (or a human for that matter), they spew vile ugliness at her and anyone who supports her.

I should not speak for MassDemm, but if she is anything like me, she is angry becasue of ugliness that people like you bring to this "progressive" board.

[Condem]

61. Hey Evergreen

Take the night off. Go to the GDP Saturday night thread. Have some fuckin fun!

[Evergreen Emerald]

63. right back atcaha!

[Condem]

66. You're allright, Evergreen!

It's like the Civil War. Except nobody's dying. Even they took a break to throw snowballs at each other. True story.

[JayFredMuggs]

52. Only if they refuse to vote for Obama, It's simple math!

If the Hillary supporters give up their silly prejudices and mark the ballot for Obama in November, it's NOT THEIR FAULT.

But if they hang on to these silly myths about Obama not representing them, and refuse to vote, who else do you blame?

[JayFredMuggs]

55. Well, who are you going to blame if Democrats lose in Nov?

Republicans who didn't want McSame?

[Evergreen Emerald]

59. Obama for shouting "racism!" from the rooftops

The democrats who choose a weak empty suit as our candidate.

[JayFredMuggs]

64. Such hatred and disgust for your fellow Democrats.........

You have closed your ears. You will NOT vote for Obama in November, or you are just here to get attention.

If you don't vote for Obama in November, you have no one to blame but yourself if McSame gets elected. You can't blame a brilliant man like Obama for your not voting for him, you have only YOURSELF to blame.

Listen to this............if you dare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJut4-dHuV8

[solito]

56. Hillary supporters are being treated very unfairly

They understandably refuse to vote for Obama.

[Bluebear]

57. For interest's sake, can you cite the posts that accuse Obama as being a drug dealer here? Thanks.

[Bluebear]

58. Hello?

[ruggerson]

67. Hey, as long as no one is answering you, how's the weather in NH?

[Bluebear]

68. Cold, rainy. Was in the desert for a week though. How's by you?

[cornermouse]

62. If McCain wins,

the Obama supporters should look closer to home than Hillary for who's at fault. n/t

[GoesTo11]

65. No dilemma for loyal dems?

So, assume HC manages to help the Republicans define Obama as elitist, unpatriotic, weak on defense, inexperienced, surrenderer, ultraliberal, the black candidate, sexist, etc., and he becomes totally unelectable. Then why shouldn't a loyal Democrat who wants to win in 08 ((especially superdelegates) vote for HC? She will then be the strongest Democratic candidate. Politics is a tough business, and if you can't take the kneecapping, get out of the skating rink, right?

[cooolandrew]

69. Let's not be afraid just be certain of a win.

[cooolandrew]

70. Let alone is most SDs favour Barack. Soldier on Obama supportere s there's worse soldiers face.

[Catherine Vincent]

72. This post is nothing but SHIT.

That is all.

[zulchzulu]

73. Next week starts my Obama table in Madison

I plan on smacking down any Hilbots that dare try to play their game. McSame fans will be duly smacked down as well.

I can't wait!