I cannot wait for the Dem Debate this Wednesday

[TeamJordan23]

I cannot wait to see how desperate Hillary will go in the upcoming debate. She will look like a fool after Obama clarifies his bitter comment in front of a national audience. I wish I could say the same about Hillary clarifying her Sniper comments.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. All Obama has to do is bring up Clinton/Penn on Colombia, her support of NAFTA in the white house, a

nd the various positions she has taken that goes against the middle class/poor, such as the bankruptcy bill.

[gateley]

2. Let the moderators bring it up. If they're any good, they will. nt

[indie_voter]

39. I hope he does. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

3. Pssst. I think it's on Tuesday.

And I can't wait either. Barack has really excelled in the last couple of debates. Hillary refuses to do the College Tour with Chris Matthews because she knows there are all kinds of interesting things to * cough * talk about.

:hi:

[MadBadger]

4. Nope, I'm pretty sure its Wednesday the 16th

[AtomicKitten]

7. Ooops, my bad.

thanks!!

[kmsarvis]

5. I can't wait either !!!

Its gonna be interesting!! So much shit has gone down since the last one.

[Zachstar]

6. It will be interesting!

[durrrty libby]

8. I can't wait to see BO's typical stuttering and stammering

Without a teleprompter and personal speech writer he is pathetic.

He is like bush in so many ways

[AllentownJake]

12. Funny

I saw him Live speak for an hour and there were no notes or teleprompter.

Thanks for playing

[jenmito]

15. You DO know he wrote his race speech himself, don't you?

The one people say will be taught in schools for years to come?!

[bellasgrams]

20. He 'wrote' his speech. That's a lot different than speaking on the

fly. He's not good on that. He stutters, stammers, mumbles, just like Bush.

[jenmito]

24. I was responding to the poster saying he needed a teleprompter and a speechWRITER. He is NOT like

Bush at ALL on the fly. He thinks before/while he speaks and gives very thoughtful, intelligent answers. :eyes:

[KittyWampus]

9. Obama and his campaign should've killed this ALREADY. They are close to incompetent

and I am pissed off.

They needed to release something and have Obama say something strong enough it'd get airplay.

He COULD have immediately questioned Hillary's ignorance of what Wedge Issues are and how the GOP uses them.

The fact he hasn't, and gotten airplay to offset the Mediawhores pushing this shows a huge weakness.

[jenmito]

29. He came out and NAILED IT that night! But the media didn't cover it. On MSNBC this morning, they

kept playing his original remarks, then showed Hillary's response, THEN asked what he has to do to try to stop the damage, and the commentators were all saying he needs to come out and explain it even though he DID! He did it at his town hall last night and hit back at both Hillary and McCain!

[KittyWampus]

33. Bullshit! He needed to say something that directly slammed Hillary to the point they'd HAVE to air

a long winded response at a Town Hall rally didn't cut it.

[PetraPooh]

36. I disagree, part of what's so refreshing about him is that he doesn't

play tit for tat, but instead accepts he didn't word it so well and re-says it better.

[durrrty libby]

38. Well his whole persona is nothing but smoke and mirrors

His weaknesses would have been exposed eventually

[rug]

10. If she shows up with a .22 and a Bible, Obama should leave.

[kwenu]

17. Actually, he'd be quite safe. She doesn't know what to do with any of those things.

[bellasgrams]

21. I think she did say she use to shoot with her dad.

[kwenu]

23. Then why is Bill still alive?

[delicatessen]

11. moderators usually pile on Clinton

So take a deep breath.

[jenmito]

13. She'll probably do her inappropriate cackle like she did when asked about the $800K last week. nt

[Pisces]

14. I hope he puts her away on Nafta!

[smalll]

18. But didn't he just say that anti-free-tradeism is just a part of the whole lower-class bitter thing?

Along with gun-ownership, a belief in God, concerns with illegal immigration, and of course, racism?

Didn't he? Didn't he?!?!

[stillcool]

31. here you go...what 'he said'..

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is so we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama's gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we're gonna provide healthcare for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

Trade

Obama believes that trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security.

* Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
* Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
* Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.

[bellasgrams]

25. Why keep going over NAFTA everyone knows she was

against it but Bill was for it and he was the president. David Gergen verified it. Let's find out what Country BO holds allegiance to, his side of the story on the Sinclair meeting, his preacher and Farrakhan's trip to Libya. I want to know more about those issues

[stillcool]

35. David Gergen "mis-remembers"

or maybe she was for it before she started running for President?

Hillary's NAFTA Lie
The Nation: Clinton Distortion Kills Her Credibility on Trade Policy
By John Nichols
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/20/opinion/main3955120.shtml

March 22, 2008
What is the proper word for the claim by Hillary Clinton and the more factually disinclined supporters of her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination - made in speeches, briefings and interviews (including one by this reporter with the candidate) - that she has always been a critic of the North American Free Trade Agreement?

Now that we know from the 11,000 pages of Clinton White House documents released this week that former First Lady was an ardent advocate for NAFTA; now that we know she held at least five meetings to strategize about how to win congressional approval of the deal; now that we know she was in the thick of the manuevering to block the efforts of labor, farm, environmental and human rights groups to get a better agreement. Now that we know all of this, how should we assess the claim that Hillary's heart has always beaten to a fair-trade rhythm?

Now that we know from official records of her time as First Lady that Clinton was the featured speaker at a closed-door session where 120 women opinion leaders were hectored to pressure their congressional representatives to approve NAFTA; now that we know from ABC News reporting on the session that "her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA" and that "there was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time;" now that we have these details confirmed, what should we make of Clinton's campaign claim that she was never comfortable with the militant free-trade agenda that has cost the United States hundreds of thousands of union jobs, that has idled entire industries, that has saddled this country with record trade deficits, undermined the security of working families in the US and abroad, and has forced Mexican farmers off their land into an economic refugee status that ultimately forces them to cross the Rio Grande River in search of work?

As she campaigns now, Clinton says, "I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."

But the White House records confirm that this is not true.

Her statement is, to be precise, a lie.

When it comes to the essential test of the trade debate, Clinton has been identified as a liar - a put-in-boldface-type "L-I-A-R" liar.

Those of us who covered the 1993 NAFTA debate have frequently expressed doubts about the former First Lady's recent statements. We never heard anything at the time about her dissenting from the Clinton Administration line on trade policy. And we knew that she had defended NAFTA in the years following its enactment. But fairness required that we at least entertain that notion - promoted by the lamentable David Gergen, himself a champion of free-trade policies while working in the Clinton White House - that Hillary Clinton had been a behind-the-scenes critic. We had to at least consider the possibility that, at the very least, Clinton had been worried that advancing NAFTA would trip up her advocacy for health care reform, that she had made her concerns known and that she had absented herself from pro-NAFTA lobbying.

This was certainly the impression that Clinton and her supporters sought to create as she campaigned in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana - states where worried workers want to know exactly where the candidates have stood and currently stand with regard to trade issues.

But that impression was a deliberate deception.

And we must all now recognize that when Hillary Clinton speaks about trade policy, she begins with a lie so blatant - that she's been "a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning" - that everything else she says must be viewed as suspect.

By John Nichols
Reprinted with permission from The Nation.

[bellasgrams]

27. I think he'll be afraid to mention NAFTA. She would remind him

of his asst telling Canada not to worry about it.

[kwenu]

16. I thought they have decided not to make this next appearance a debate.

[Blondiegrrl]

19. She'll bring it up, with that famous smirk of hers ... and Obama

will swat it away like a fly, leaving Hillary looking petty and foolish.

[Cha]

22. I would think Obama would be

preparing extra heavily for this next debate right after hilary, mccain, & the loudobbsm$$$m elitist, wedgie brigrade has been sniping at him with every fetid breath they take.

[Cali_Democrat]

26. I wonder if she gets booed again

I sure she wants to keep her boo streak going

[thoughtcrime1984]

28. Lighten up! *cackle*

He is so much smarter than her, it is ridiculous.

[AllentownJake]

30. I hope he comes out swinging

No mercy.

[JBoy]

32. I wanna see her teardown, clean and reassemble a rifle.

[anonymous171]

34. I want Obama to kick her fucking ass. Seriously.

[durrrty libby]

40. I "Hope" she grinds him into mincemeat

[anonymous171]

42. She can't laugh off her support of NAFTA. Or Penn's support, or her husband's support.

[truebrit71]

37. He needs to take the gloves off and kick her fucking elitist $109 million-ass...

...No more Mr. Nice-guy...he needs to NAIL her on her sniper fire lies, and NAIL her for NAFTA support...

[ecstatic]

41. I thought it was Sunday... or is that something different?

Saw a commercial about a compassion forum? :shrug: