You may have heard: Gore and Carter planning to save the party, endorse Obama

[Joe the Revelator]

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/It39s-Obama-stupid-Carter-and.3976738.jp

DEMOCRAT grandees Jimmy Carter and Al Gore are being lined-up to deliver the coup de grâce to Hillary Clinton and end her campaign to become president.
Falling poll numbers and a string of high-profile blunders have convinced party elders that she must now bow out of the primary race.

Former president Carter and former vice-president Gore have already held high-level discussions about delivering the message that she must stand down for the good of the Democrats.

"They're in discussions," a source close to Carter told Scotland on Sunday. "Carter has been talking to Gore. They will act, possibly together, or in sequence."

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. How do Scottish people know this before we do?

[scheming daemons]

3. Because our media wants a "horserace" and a "brokered convention".... RATINGS, BABY!

...

[2rth2pwr]

11. So, if they ignore this story Gore and Carter won't do it? If they are really planning on

doing this but the MSM turns away, it will foil the plan, and we still go to a brokered convention?

wtf??!

[Tellurian]

33. Will Gore and Carter endorse Obama after his ship struck an iceberg in PA

Neither one would have made such a horrendous, condescending, misstatement of words on the stump.

I think they just backed up a bit and said...whoa, man the lifeboats!

[Rob Gregory Browne]

68. I'm really getting sick and tired of this distortion

of what Obama said. Even a child would understand exactly what he meant and he was in no way elitist and in no way insulting the people of PA or small towns in general. He told the truth. If people have to resort to lies to prove a point, they aren't proving much, are they?

[tekisui]

82. No, Obama has much better political tracking on his ship.

He'll miss that iceberg that Hillary charged into.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Gore is Scotland after holding a conference on the Faeroe Islands

Jimmy Carter is, either on his way to the Middle East or has already left.

[movonne]

17. I think Carter is on one of the talk shows...Sunday..

[Ichingcarpenter]

57. got a link?

I would be willing to see that.
Although, I don't think they will ask him
anything relevant about PEACE.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

79. The New Scotsman has had some interesting articles

[Joe the Revelator]

7. Gore is in Europe at the moment.

[Eurobabe]

28. Well I hope he is fucking reading his email

because he is getting one from me!!

GODDAMN CLINTONS!!!

[movonne]

14. A lot of stories come from foreign newspapers..I think it is a good

way of getting news out that our media is too reluctant to do..

[chill factor]

49. It might have something to do with the fact that Gore

is in Scotland now.

[joshcryer]

2. Carter has been pestering Gore for years. I assure you that Gore takes his words with a grain of...

...salt.

Gore won't endorse before the season is over.

[SunsetDreams]

34. to save the Dem party, you bet he would

[joshcryer]

46. Read the Assault on Reason. Gore isn't a "by the headlines" kind of guy.

He doesn't consider this political season very bad at all.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Save The Party My Ass

Obama's popularity has only gone up - and quickly - as Hillary has dissolved into the Brittney Spears of politics. Let her keep going, it's working great.

[JayFredMuggs]

9. No, I disagree, Hillary is embarrassing the Democrats

Obama, nothing but intelligence coming from his mouth.......

Too bad so many Democrats can't be bothered to listen to his message.

Too bad for them.

[Hepburn]

86. The "Britney Spears of Politics."

How fucking perfect to call her this!

[DearAbby]

5. from your monitor to Gawd's

And about time...

[anonymous171]

8. What about the person in the hall?

[onehandle]

10. If true, I'm guessing they'll be holding their breath for a few days.

To see the effects of "bittergate."

Somebody needs to end this.

[SunsetDreams]

35. The way I read that article

I don't think bittergate matters, they were more upset with her for twisting his words.

[ruggerson]

12. Maybe Hamas can be at the news conference too

[scheming daemons]

13. Nice freeper comment.... trashing Jimmy Carter now.... nice!

[ruggerson]

15. sorry bub, but that sentiment is shared far and wide

and I like some things Carter does and don't like others.

This one sucks.

[scheming daemons]

20. Carter has 10 times the integrity in his little finger than you have in your entire existence.....

...you should be ashamed of yourself.

[ruggerson]

24. lol

let me know when your little self aggrandizing fit is done.

[AX10]

39. Jimmy Carter someone whom I would not listen to for...

advise on foreign and defense policy.

[FogerRox]

92. Isnt that what Reagan did, starting in 1981 ?

Worked out well 27 yrs later.

[Hepburn]

88. Bet you would think it was OK if you thought he was going to...

..ask Obama to step down, right?

:eyes:

[movonne]

19. you know how these hillary supporters are....if you endorse anyone

but hillary...you are dead to them..almost all of the party is going to be dead to them...but they will have hillary..

[ruggerson]

21. kind of like the obama supporters who make one jackass statement after another

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[Zachstar]

78. Like your signiture line?

[Joe the Revelator]

16. So now we're throwing Jimmy Carter under the bus as well?

Just making sure.

[ruggerson]

18. I would make the same comment were he endorsing Hillary

so the short answer is no.

[movonne]

22. Bull shit..

[ruggerson]

23. unlike you

my politics aren't defined by only this current cycle

[Joe the Revelator]

25. You're full of it.

[ruggerson]

26. Coming from you

I'll take that as a compliment.

[Joe the Revelator]

31. That makes absolutely no sense

Also, I admit that I'm a hack, you still trot around like you're objective.

[ruggerson]

37. How do you

"trot around" in cyberspace?

I'm as partsian as they come. But I try not to pen nasty, pejorative posts about Obama. Nor have I called Obama supporters childish names.

What I do (too often) is defend Hillary from just that type of garbage.

I'm glad you admit that you are a hack. Now only 11 more steps to go.

[Joe the Revelator]

40. When you stop pretending to be objective, then you will have the standing to question me

until then, get back on your high horse.

[ruggerson]

44. That's the second time

you've maintained I'm objective, when I quite clearly am partisan. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I realize that for some of you this entire thing is good versus evil. Hence all the diatribes. I, uh, happen to find that foolish in the extreme.

But rock on.

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[Eurobabe]

27. I am writing to both now, this SHIT must end

I cannot stand the Clintons. They must be stopped at all costs. Someone needs to pull their life support. NOW.

:mad: :nuke: :rant:

[Zachstar]

30. Political Life support you mean. And politically stopped at all costs

[Zachstar]

29. Until we get multiple sources on this it needs to be considered pure rumor.

I know I want the race to be over as well, however, This is just one source.

[tammywammy]

32. Agreed

How many times have we heard that Edwards is about to endorse. I'll assume the same about a Gore/Carter endorsement. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Zachstar]

36. Good point.

Now granted the rumors were on message board from where I saw them but a single news story is just not enough.

Now in talks I do believe is happening. However, A supposed giant super delegate talk has been going even before texas.

The only thing we can basically be sure of is that the party is not stupid and will be discussing these matters.

[SunsetDreams]

38. Carter has already said publicly about supporting Obama

So I think it's not too far of a stretch.

[tammywammy]

41. Yes, I wouldn't say that Carter is much of a stretch by any means

But Gore to endorse to me is. Not that I don't think Gore doesn't like Obama, but I feel that he'd wait until it was settled to endorse.

[Zachstar]

47. Well Think of it like this.

Gore is walking a rope here.

If he endorses a candidate that will lose the nomination. That could mean he gets less support afterwards.

If he doesn't endorse till after the convention it will look like he is playing it safe and will harm his campaign.

So while Obama is clearly winning Clinton does have a chance to make a sudden comeback. Never underestimate the power of the Clinton machine when there is still 566 pledged delegates in play.

So gore is going to have to continue to do research because unlike us. How he reacts will determine the fate of the climate movement and possibly the election.

I know it is from a comic but the quote "Great power = Great responsibility" is quite relevant.

[MindMatter]

59. The article says they are talking

If that is accurate, then one presumes they are not talking about *IF* , but HOW and WHEN. If they had doubts about doing an endorsement, then they probably would not be talking at all.

The HOW and WHEN can be tricky issues. Those become much less complicated if they can get a few more big figures on board with them. However, the only other uncommitted big figure that comes to mind is Edwards. Clark would be big, but he isn't going to line up.

The downside is not in picking the wrong horse. If by some scenario, Clinton did get nominated, she wouldn't have a snowball's change in the general election. She is McCain lite with a +50% negative rating, and a majority of Democrats really pissed at her. She would have a zero percent chance of winning in November, so a Carter/Gore endorsement of Obama would not hurt their chances of being friendly with the new administration.

The only real risk that Gore faces is what if his endorsement isn't enough to end Clinton's campaign? In that case, that makes Gore look weakened. That's a downside, but I think the upside is in enhancing his reputation for rising above politics to do the right thing.

[Zachstar]

62. We have talks with Iran and that does not mean HOW and WHEN

Seriously Gore is not going to do this without strong research first. Gore is the biggest endorsement there is right now and the power he has is extreme.

One sentence to a camera and he can change the democratic party.

So don't assume he is ready to do it. That is beyond foolish in my view.

Matter of fact we are better off assuming he is going to go to Clinton and act like we want to turn that into a win with donations and phonebanking. As that can indeed happen!

[MindMatter]

93. Maybe

I believe Gore may honestly see his mission as being a step removed from politics. And on that basis, he may want to stay out of the center of it.

But if he is looking to maximize his influence, there is a certain window of optimal opportunity. If you commit too early, you risk affiliating with the losing side. If you commit too late, you appear irrelevant, and don't start things off very well with the winning side.

I tend to agree that nothing will happen before PA, mainly because it is only 2 weeks away now. Moreover, they will not want to make an endorsement days before PA, where Clinton is likely to win a modest victory.

Assuming the Clinton victory in PA is single digits, Gore and Carter might come out at that point. However, it would have a much greater impact for them to come out on May 7. At that point, Obama will have won NC handily, and have finished in a close race in Indiana. The calculus at that point should be obvious to almost everybody that Clinton cannot close the gap in pledged delegates, or in the popular vote. That would be their message: Obama has won the nomination fair and square and all superdelegates should fall in line behind him now.

[Zachstar]

42. About supporting Obama Last time I checked it was not a full endorement.

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[chill factor]

54. yes, but remember....

this is coming from the foreign press not our own freakin' MSM - and this paper is well-known and respected world-wide - they have been in business since the 1800's.

[Zachstar]

63. Hmm that does make it quite a source.

Do you mind posting a link or two? Perhaps some history behind the paper and a wikipedia link?

[pompano]

43. Peanuts are like "so dead" to me know!

Judases, I tell ya, Judases.

Carter would be nothing if it weren't for the Clintons. Carter owes the Clinton's bunches and bunches. (insert raspberry here)

To think just a very short few weeks a go I used to sit and eat dry roasted Planters and watch Olberman. Now I don't.

He got sold out by Judases for a few itsy bitsy bags of goobers!!!

And BTW, Al used to look more professional in a beard, not ANY MORE!!!!

Now, I'm off to join the skillet brigade and beat on pot and pans and invite O'Liely even.

At least O'Liely and Hannity have scruples...double scoop scruples!!!!

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[arundhatiroyfan]

45. A Gore endorsement would be huge...

but would not end Clinton's campaign imo.

[Zachstar]

48. Only Clinton can end her campaign before the convention.

It is her choice. Let us hope she makes it well before the convention.

[pompano]

52. Got to agree with you there.

If nothing else she is determined. Determined to fracture this party to the point it would be hard if not impossible to win a Presidential election, much less House and Senate seats.

But, did we really expect anything less?

She has been hanging out with the Republicans too long. Starting to look like not a nickle difference.

Sad, really sad.

I hate to see 2 people I once admired so much to have to stoop so low and run a campaign like they did.

Our better days are ahead.

Go Obama, Go!

[BenDavid]

50. Let them announce prior to Pa. or announce before the 10 states

have voted and you will see the 30% of HRC supporters that now say they would not vote for obama move to 42% not voting for obama.

[Political Heretic]

53. More poof of how pathetic 42% of HRC supporters are.

At least its still a minority of them.

[Zachstar]

67. What he is saying is 100 percent BS in my view.

It will not be 42 percent under any realistic circumstance. They will do their research with time and when they note what McCain will give us they will vote democratic.

[SunsetDreams]

55. nah...maybe on this board

but people out there know that primaries don't last this long.

The number of Democrats in the polls, who say Obama has a better chance at beating McCain or to be the nominee, is rising.

[Zachstar]

65. That is so untrue it is silly.

You don't speak for the Clinton supporters any more than I do. And for you to assume they would rather let McCain win is disgusting.

If you are one of those people that do not intend to vote for Obama in the GE if he wins the nomination. Then why even stay at DU?

[LadyVT]

58. Anyone who saw Gore on 60 Minutes knows this is bunk...

[EFerrari]

80. This paper generally doesn't get things wrong. n/t

[jbm]

60. I heard an Obamabot saw an image of Mother Theresa in his cheerios..

and the image said, "Obama is the annointed one". So there all you Hillary supporters! That PROVES it!

[CADEMOCRAT7]

61. just heard this on local news

I wanted to check to see if anyone else heard this. I did a double take. Could this be true for one, and two; could it be b/c Hillary joined McBush in calling Obama "elitist and out of touch".

[Zachstar]

66. Does your local news have a source outside of this one?

That is what is needed now. Additional sources.

[CADEMOCRAT7]

70. good point, I will try to find out.

I was not paying that much attention until I heard this.

[Zachstar]

71. Thank you

[jackson_dem]

64. (whispers) Gore and Carter have zero authority to dictate who a party nominates

[Rob Gregory Browne]

69. You're absolutely right. However,

they do have CONSIDERABLE influence within the party and with the super delegates. And that makes all the difference in the world.

[jackson_dem]

74. I agree with that but folks here have a very exaggerated view of their power

[mckeown1128]

72. There both superdelegates. nt

[jackson_dem]

73. 2 votes won't make a difference (and we already knew Carter is for Obama)

[GarbagemanLB]

75. They hold quite a bit of influence. Them backing Obama would be the final nail in Hillary Harding's

coffin.

[jackson_dem]

76. This is what I mean. Oh, speaking of Harding, you know we elected a fresman senator president once..

;)

[Zachstar]

77. I call them Hyperdelegates

A hyperdelegate in my view is an extremely well known or powerful figure of the democratic party.

Carter: For better or for worse. He is one of the most remembered Democrats in history.

Gore: Extremely well known for losing the 2000 GE due to voting machine issues. Also extremely well known for his work in Global Warming awareness.

[GeorgeGist]

81. Wake me when the Party is over ...

creating nightmares.

[undeterred]

83. Carter was on ABC This Week today

and gave absolutely no hint of this. He did not even say he was endorsing Obama.

[Eurobabe]

84. Sorry to rain on the parade, but Carter was just on This Week

and said he WILL NOT ENDORSE UNTIL THE CONVENTION.

[Hepburn]

85. Oh, please let this be true!

I am so fucking sick of Hillary Clinton, I could scream. She and her supporters are tearing apart the Democratic Party and IMO intentionally looking to make McCain win in November.

These two NEED to come forward and shit can her stupid, POS campaign.

JMHO

[IDemo]

89. As much as I'd love for this to be true,

When an article basically comes down to "a friend of a friend of an insider told the Scotsman...", it belongs on whichever page they cover the Loch Ness Monster's last known location.

[MethuenProgressive]

91. Two establishment males step in to tell the uppity broad to go back into the kitchen?

That'll help BO?