Anyone else got the sense that

[dorktv]

Senator Clinton is being shoved out of the campaign?

I am not talking about her missteps (which there have been more than one and some of those deserved the mocking they got) but the fact that when she screws up it is treated as if it was the worst thing anyone had ever done?

And the constant calls for her to stop campaigning. For the "good" of the party. For the "sake" of winning the White House. Because she cannot "legitimately" win with the Superdelegates (even if they are part of the process.) So she can "rescue her legacy."

And the way she has been painted seems really weird. Senator Clinton never claimed to be the inevitable front runner. Yet she is painted as if she was always being arrogant enough to tell everyone "you will vote for me because I am Hillary Clinton."

I guess I am just puzzled. I feel sorry for Senator Clinton, she cannot win for losing. Sure it is one thing to make huge mistakes like the idiotic Bosnia story but to be treated like she has? Not very fair to her at all. Senator Obama has made plenty of errors, lies, misspeaking, screw ups, and yet so little of it seems to matter.

[Catherine Vincent]

1. I get that only here on Hillaryhateunderground.com nt

[dorktv]

2. I see it elsewhere but it has died down a lot there though.

[SeattleGirl]

3. I don't think she is being shoved out, but I do think that there are

more and more people who think that she cannot win. I'm one of those, but I'm not going to join any "shove her out" crowd, nor have I said she should get out.

[dorktv]

7. Nope, I have been in support of a brokered convention all along.

I really thing it is good for democracy. What happened with McGovern is not going to happen again-Senator McCain is no Nixon in terms of dirty politicking.

But I have a real sense the media and on DU that the first thing that woman should do is drop out for XYZ reason.

[bhikkhu]

11. McCain has all the surrogates he needs

And he may be a "good" person, as he is painted, but all evidence is that age has taken its toll. It doesn't matter so much in the end what he is or is not - we need a Democrat in the WH.

[dorktv]

13. *snorts* Oh he had his day of being nasty.

Back when he won his first office (or the first senate win) one of my friends was working on the opponent's campaign. Senator McCain sent dead flowers (or black roses, it has been awhile since I heard the tale) to the campaign HQ of the opponent.

Not quite up to the level of Nixon's using anything he could to destroy his "enemies" though.

[pnorman]

26. Here's from a Karl Rove type from the 19th century:

"When Boss Matthew Quay of Pennsylvania heard that Harrison ascribed his narrow victory to Providence, Quay exclaimed that Harrison would never know "how close a number of men were compelled to approach...the penitentiary to make him President"

Benjamin Harrison was one of those who LOST the popular vote, but WON the electoral college vote. He too seemed to have been a "decent man", but...............................

pnorman

[babylonsister]

4. You haven't been paying attention today. She's now trying to shove

Obama out; that is her goal, and she's getting a lot of mileage out of it. Read the greatest, look around.

[dorktv]

8. so what? That is call CAMPAIGNING. Apparently you have forgotten that

a person running for President is suppose work to win that race?

Just like with Senator Obama and his efforts to get her to lose to him.

I am not talking about the candidates, I am talking about the people in the media and on the interwebz.

[babylonsister]

12. I watched an 'exclusive' on CNN tonight that was about

a 40 minute out of an hour lauding Clinton and dissing Obama. You tell me. They're trying to make it seem like she has the upper hand at this point. So in response to your OP, no, not everyone is trying to push her out.

And no, there's no 'apparently' to this; I do try to pay attention.

[Eurobabe]

5. Yeah they've both made some gaffes

But Hillary's seem to be more well-thought out white lies. While I would say Obama has a touch of 'foot in mouth-itis," at times.

[patrice]

6. I feel sorry for her too.

But I still hope I get to vote for Obama.

[Skittles]

9. I agree

those uppity wimmin just got no business running for pres :o

[dkf]

10. Hey I want her to drop out because I can't stand seeing her anymore.

Its like how I turned off the TV every time Bush came on so I wouldn't have to listen to his voice.

[Skittles]

23. I actually LIKE democracy n/t

[dkf]

25. Democracy is fine. But does she need to be in my face all the time?

They hardly show McCain after all.

[Skittles]

27. McCain is not the news right now

when there's one Dem left, you'll be sick of McCain in less than 24 hours

[dkf]

28. Hey, McCain isn't nearly so aggravating as Hillary.

He is just misguided and clueless. She is a malicious purveyor of untruths.

[Skittles]

30. you bots really get on my nerves - please, get away from me n/t

[zalinda]

31. And I feel the same way about Obama. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

14. Yah - by the voters.

[dorktv]

16. Not all votes have been cast and counted.

[BlooInBloo]

19. Duh. That's why we say "is being shoved out" rather than "has been shoved out".

[williesgirl]

15. She completely lost me or any sympathy when she began elevating McSame over Obama. She's bush-lite

in a skirt.

[JackORoses]

17. This kind of thing happens a lot to sore losers, sadly.

Some people just can't handle defeat gracefully.
Hillary is one of those people.

[bhikkhu]

18. Anyone else got the sense that she is losing?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but if you have been following the campaign there have been a series of big hurdles which needed to be crossed for Hillary to win. She needed to win big on Super Tuesday; she did not. She needed solid wins in Texas and Ohio; she managed only minor gains. She needs a big win in PA; polling indicates it will not happen. In the meantime, Obama's 50 state strategy has whittled her chances down to nothing, essentially.

So we have a winning candidate and a losing candidate. Not to speak of relative merits, or any other measure, but that is what we have and it happens every four years. At the moment there are some marginal possibilities that the losing candidate might statistically have a chance, so she is staying in against all odds. Scorched earth not considered, it is to her credit. A couple more weeks and the angst of doubt and uncertainty should be done with.

[Tresalisa]

20. Maybe she didn't claim to be the inevitable front-runner,

but clearly she thought she would be the nominee. Here's a linky:

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/11/27/clinton/

I will happily vote for the Democratic nominee, whether Clinton or Obama, since my candidate, Dennis Kucinich, is no longer running, but that is one point that you can't make in your OP.

[dorktv]

22. They all think they are going to be the nominee at first.

[Tresalisa]

24. Yeah, you're right,

John McCain said the same, but in Senator Clinton's case, I really think she thought she would be our nominee, and many pundits and voters thought so, too. It was supposed to be Clinton against Giuliani on the repug side.

[Justitia]

21. Awww, Bill Clinton says politics ain't beanbag, you gotta be tough. He should tell it to his wife.

[donheld]

29. Not fast enough

[zalinda]

32. Obama supporters did it to Edwards too

and now Clinton, it's like they are afraid to let Obama have any competition. Oh, and they are already saying that if Obama loses the GE, it's all Clinton's fault because she stayed in too long. Even though I don't like her, it's hard not to defend her, when she is blamed for everything even when there is no proof she had anything to do with it.

zalinda

[CarbonDate]

33. No, I don't, actually.

I think she's been given a lot of leeway other candidates would not have due to her status as a former First Lady.

That said, I don't think she should be pushed out; I think she should continue all the way to Puerto Rico. But if, at the end of the campaign, Obama has clearly won, she should get behind him and stop with this nonsense about a brokered convention. Same for Obama: if Clinton has made the sort of astronomical come-back she and her supporters seem to be expecting, he should get behind her.

But once the votes have been cast, the loser needs to STFU, already.