Hillary Wins Nevada County Caucuses

[ruggerson]

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/4/13/23150/8465

The Clark County democratic convention was held Saturday. It was a do-over from February. Hillary won and she now leads Obama statewide in delegates to the state convention.

More than 6,300 delegates participated Saturday, according to the Nevada Democratic Party. Clinton won 1,330 delegates from Clark County while Obama won 1,133 delegates.

Heading into Saturday, Obama had won the majority of the delegates in the state’s other 15 county conventions, 512 of 900. But Clinton’s win in Clark County, by far the state’s most populous county, gave her the lead statewide 1,718 to 1,645, for delegates to the May 17 state convention in Reno, where Nevada Democrats will select delegates to the national convention in Denver this August.

Nevada has 33 national delegates. As to why Hillary won in the January caucuses, here are the reasons:


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[AllentownJake]

1. Nevada is dead to me

Just kidding...caucuses suck...unless they are in Nevada.

[indimuse]

2. K&R

!!

[scheming daemons]

3. I thought you Hillbots didn't recognize the results from Caucuses?

[AllentownJake]

4. or the small state

[ruggerson]

5. Still "bitter" from yesterday I see

Try to have some fun today. Take a good book to the park. Maybe "Lord of the Flies."

[scheming daemons]

10. I'm just happy that you now recognize the legitimacy of Caucuses......thanks!

[ruggerson]

13. Unlike you, I don't generalize about supporters of either candidate

I realize you've got a bit of a handicap here, so I'll spell it out for you: I support Hillary and I don't question the legitimacy of caucuses.

I have said, repeatedly, before this cycle even started, that I think that caucuses are ridiculous and outdated and should be phased out.

But, while we still have them, the results are entirely legitimate.

Those are the rules we play by. And it remains so, until the system is revamped.

[Vinca]

6. Caucuses don't count.

Oh, wait, I mean caucuses Obama won don't count.

[rodeodance]

17. still bitter I see.

[fedupinBushcountry]

24. From the hidden compound

comes a new Rovian style talking point? Sad, very very sad.

[MaineDem]

7. I doubt it was a "do-over"; it's just the next step

No one will "win" until the state convention. It's how the caucus/convention system works. Actually the conventions are more important that the first tier of voting. The press doesn't understand that so they report wildly about the first voting. GOTV is as important at the step where National Delegates will be selected almost than at the first step.

[ruggerson]

8. Here's the link within the story

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002702584

[MaineDem]

9. Thanks but it's still not a do-over. It is truly the next step.

It appears even the CQ writer doesn't get it.

[ruggerson]

11. I was wondering

about the "do over" part. It reads more as you say: just the next part of the process which ultimately leads to the state convention.

[MaineDem]

14. Wait...it might be.

Looks like the COunty COnventions were held in February - the second step after the caucuses. Why is this one being held now? Hmmmmm

Saturday 23 February 2008: County Conventions convene in each county. Each County Convention chooses delegates to the Nevada State Democratic Convention.

* These County Conventions choose the county's delegates to the Nevada State Democratic Convention. While a non-binding Presidential Preference Poll is conducted during the Conventions, delegates at the Precinct Caucus level are not bound to their declared Presidential preference.

Here's a link to the reasoning:
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000002701680

I still don't quite get it though. :shrug:

[ruggerson]

21. Here's the important paragraph I think

Last-minute get-out-the-vote efforts by both Obama and Clinton ahead of the original county conventions on Feb. 23 led to massive turnout in Clark County that overwhelmed the county Democratic Party’s organization for the convention. By noon, the interstate into Las Vegas was gridlocked and delegates and aspiring alternates were being turned away from the convention venue, Bally’s on the Vegas Strip. Both campaigns agreed that afternoon to shut down the convention and reschedule it for a later date.


So, in other words, this wasn't really a do-over. It had just been delayed and they finally held it yesterday.

[MaineDem]

26. That makes much more sense

I couldn't imagine anyone doing it over. That just seems wrong on so many levels.

Thanks!

[totodeinhere]

12. At most this might mean a swing of one delegate. She needs a lot more than that.

And to those who say that Obama can't win rural votes, Obama took 65% here in very rural Elko County. The enthusiasm for him around here was amazing.

[Awsi Dooger]

22. That wouldn't be relevant in November

The cow counties simply don't have the numbers. It sounds like a cute idea, playing everywhere in the state, but the math is devastating. You're talking to acreage and not people. The percentage of Nevada rural voters who are potentially swayed in our direction doesn't justify the time/money expenditure.

Dina Titus after '06 bemoaned that she was told to prioritize the rural areas but it did her no good. She said if she could do it all over again she would try to squeeze every vote out of friendly Clark County.

Obama's problem is Clark County is poorly run from a Democratic perspective. We forfeit tens of thousands of votes since the participation doesn't match percentages in rural areas. I meet young blacks and Hispanics all the time in sportsbooks and elsewhere, and when I mention politics they may have opinions but invariably they are not registered.

[totodeinhere]

23. It was the rural counties that put Bush over the top in Nevada in 2004.

Kerry took Clark County by a hefty margin but it wasn't quite enough to compensate for GOP strength in the rural areas.

If we can have a candidate who carries Clark County by the same margin as in 2004 but who can cut into GOP strength in the rural areas then that might be a winning combination.

[lonestarnot]

15. Well since Nevada is mostly piglicons, is it any wonder?

[Hepburn]

16. And by less than she thought.

Interesting...when it was certified, HilLIARy's % went down.

[rodeodance]

25. a win is a win

[rodeodance]

18. and to the GREATEST

[rodeodance]

19. congratulations Hillary--you go gal. ~YES WE WILL~~

[nichomachus]

20. This reminds me

This whole "what the polls said today" and "who won the Ward 6 Caucus in Podunk" nonsense seems to be like trying to watch a tennis match from a bunch of snapshots -- presented to you out of order.

All very interesting, but essentially meaningless. And yet, people get breathless over reporting that Hillary beat Obama by 12 votes in Ward 6 and Obama beat Hillary by 8 votes in Ward 2.

[NoPasaran]

27. Huzzah for the Goddess of Peace!

:toast: