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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:20 AM
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Obama: An Elitist Snob From Another 'Planet' Who Was Called "Coon" and "N*****" As a Child
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 09:30 AM by K Gardner
An elitist who spent his formative years in a small house with little money in a poor, underdeveloped country.

An effete snob whose hair other children wanted to touch to see what it was like.

Who was laughed at and jeered when the teacher informed the class his father was from Kenya. Whose first concept of race and being different was seeing pictures in Life Magazine of a black man who had tried to peel off his own skin.

Who was called Coon and Nigger. Whose grandfather wasn't rich, or well-educated, but more like "one of the boys". A snob who had to drive his grandmother to work one night because she was accosted the night before by a black man. That elitist snob who struggled, all his life, to find a way to bridge the two worlds he inhabited. Every. Fucking. Day. He struggled with it and still does. No matter which way he tries to cross the bridge into the "white man's" world, he is damned, he is blocked. That same elite snob who, as a child, felt "utterly alone".


"We were always playing on the white man's court, by the white man's rules. If the principal or coach or a teacher wanted to spit in your face he could because of the fundamental power he held over you. In fact, you couldn't even be sure that everything you had assumed to be an expression of your black,unfettered self - the humor, the song, the behind the back pass - had been freely chosen by you. At best, these things were a refuge; at worst, a trap. Following this maddening logic, the only thing you could choose as your own was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage, until being black meant only the knowledge of your own powerlessness, of your own defeat. And the final irony: Should you refuse this defeat and lash out at your captors, they would have a name for that, too, a name that could cage you just as good.

Paranoid. Militant. Violent. Nigger."

p.85 "Dreams From My Father"


An elitist snob whose grandfather, upon hearing he'd been accepted to Occidental College in LA, delivered the following advice to him. Which in hindsight, Barack Obama may today find is ringing true:

"They won't tell you the real price of admission, Barack. Leaving your race at the door. Leaving your people behind. Understand something, boy. You're not going to college to get educated. You're going there to get trained. They'll train you to want what you don't need. They'll train you so good, you'll start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that shit. They'll give you a corner office and invite you to fancy dinners and tell you you're a credit to your race.

Until you want to actually start running things, and then they'll yank on your chain and let you know that you may be a well-trained, well-paid nigger, but you're a nigger just the same."

p.97 "Dreams From My Father"


Now, in this latest vicious and yes, racially-motivated attack, with Clinton supporters wearing "I'm Not Bitter" pins and the right wing attacking and Bill Clinton saying he should run an ad saying ' I Don't Steal Cars', he has been forced to Apologize for telling the truth. Apologize for telling the truth to the white man's world. Still, all these years later, he is the outsider, intruding into a world where the establishment stands ready to deny him entrance for any perceived slight. Only now he is not Uppity. He is "an elite snob" who cannot understand, nor comprehend, the intricacies and realities of life. Because of Clinton's desperation, her win at any cost kitchen sink strategy, we will now see a campaign of destruction and division that we only THOUGHT we were seeing with Jeremiah Wright.











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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:24 AM
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1. We have truly entered the silly stage in these elections when
we have a declining into an abyss economy and endless war and all that is being mentioned from the candidates and media is the huge "flap" by Obama.:banghead:
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:29 AM
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2. Down the rabbit hole
Insanity all around.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:49 AM
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40. give a politican six months in a death struggle for victory
and it will degenerate into name calling. No matter who the candidates are. Enough of the primary process that goes on and on and on. We need a national primary , with a run off if necessary.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:34 AM
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4. It's enough to drive one mad as a hatter.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:30 AM
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34. Couldn't the media please start playing video clips of Hillary ...
... saying how she wants to talk about the issues that matter to people. ugh.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:36 AM
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58. elitist = uppity
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:06 AM
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74. mm-hm.
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jlpohio69 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:36 AM
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7. If blacks are so offened by the N word....
then why is the word so popular in black music and movies? We live in a neighborhood that is about 70% black/30% white families. Pretty much a day does not go by that I don't hear one of the neighborhood kids playing their car radio/cd palyer, and the N word is repeated in songs multiple times. Just last week, the neighbors teen soon was washing their car, and he had music coming from the car, and I kid you not...the N word, and the word Bitch and the word Whore/Ho where repeated at least two dozen times in about 3 minutes.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:38 AM
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8. That is a complicated question that cannot be generalized.
I encourage reading some books on the issue. Bell Hooks is a great author to start with.
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jlpohio69 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:43 AM
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13. Thanks for the info...
Not trying to derail the topic, but the topic of the N-word and it's use in music and movies as being acceptable I just don't understand. We tell the young people growing up what a hate-filled word that is, but then it is used in popular music and film in the black community. I am looking up the author you suggested now.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:44 AM
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14. Another good one is Stanley Crouch.
He has written extensively of self-hate in the black community.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:06 AM
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23. I'm sorry this sounds ignorant to me
I know some white teens who use the word because of the music they listen to, what is their excuse? For the record this black person is very offended by the word we don't use it in our house. For the record there is hip hop and rap music that doesn't use the word that is very enlightening. For the record there are black movies that do not use the word bitch or nigger, geesh some of you I fucking swear to god. You act as if we are all running around with our pants down yelling the fucking N word because you live in a neighborhood or you happen to see, or you happen to hear some random black person behaving like a fool. Also black folks did not invent the word nigger that came from white people. NO matter how many black people stop using the word there will be dozens of racist whites waiting in the wing to use that word to degrade a person of color. I don't recall every hearing about rap music during the slave days, or the segregation days, do you? I know some white girls that I go to school with love to call each other bitch. Maybe white girls liked to be called bitch. :shrug:
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:57 AM
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46. i was just going to
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 08:00 AM by beezlebum
make the point w/ the word "bitch." good post.

i do have several girlfriends who use the term both endearingly (for lack of a better word this foggy morning) and offensively, but are deeply offended when a man uses it against them. i for one do not use the term, and just because they use it does not mean i approve of it.

further, i've heard it used in rock music, and i am offended by it, and just because my female friends listen to said music, very loudly, does not mean that i as a woman approve of it, nor do all women.

it depends on your personal philosophy and feelings regarding its useage- some look at it as empowering, some look at it as disgusting, some look at it as a matter of context, and so on- it doesn't make it any less offensive and wrong.

the classic "if blacks can say it why can't i" bs argument is veiled and/or latent racism at best.
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jettison Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:55 PM
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62. words
Words like "bitch" for women, and "nigga" for African Americans are used because by not ignoring them, but using the words as a source of power and turning them around on bigots, the words tend to have less meaning. If you only ever heard the n- word while uttered by white people, it would still carry some kind of hideous, ugly power. Now, it means nothing. If a white person says it, whites and blacks alike just think the person is a complete douchebag. They don't scare anyone. They don't strike fear in anyone's heart any longer. If a woman says "That's right I'm a bitch, and what the hell are you going to do about it?" then the attacker has nothing left for her. "Oh, well, ok." The word loses it's fire.

So, when I hear white people get all indignant because they hear black people saying "nigga", I just want to laugh at their ingnorance. How many times must you be told "You don't know what it's like"? How many? Because obviously, you're just not ever going to get it.

Have you ever seen morbundly obese people wearing ironic t-shirts that make fun of their weight? That's because they're tired of being snickered at all their lives, and it's a way to be funny about it and say to the world "Gee, are you saying that I'm overweight? No kidding? Well you're just smart keen observer aren't you?" People take these words to their extreme because otherwise these words hurt.
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jlpohio69 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:20 PM
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80. "Maybe white girls liked to be called bitch"....
and maybe blacks like to be called nigger, so they can cry racism when things don't go their way. How do you expect anyone to take your claims seriously when your own people throw the word nigger around without blinking an eye? And as a matter of fact, most of the black guys I see everyday have their pants down, XXXXL shirts on, ball caps crooked/sideways on their heads, calling each other nigga and blasting the rap music with the words nigger and bitch said over and over and over.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:15 AM
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53. Michael Eric Dyson has spoken about this topic at length as well.
To summarize or paraphrase he basically says that some of black community uses it amongst themselves so that it doesn't have the same meaning when used in a hateful, derogatory way.

Not sure if that makes sense. I'll see if I can find his actual words.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:40 AM
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10. It is an entirely different thing than taunting a small child with the word, especially
in the 60s. You're talking about modern black culture. I'm talking about bigotry and racism.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:38 AM
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37. Absolutely right
It is an entirely different thing than taunting a small child with the word

Recently, there was a discussion here on that woman in Texas who resigned from the Obama campaign because she said that two black children in her neighborhood who were climbing trees were "acting like monkeys."

Even though I personally believe that she was not actually calling those children "monkeys," I was taken aback by the number of posters who acted like the word "monkey" was not and never had been a racial slur. One chick actually called a "black" friend who told her "people will always find something in nothing" and that as far as she was concerned, it wasn't a racial slur because her "black" friend didn't have a problem with it. I was embarrassed for her AND her friend.

Even if you may not understand how a particular word or phrase is offensive or why it's used a certain way, it's foolish to try to assert your beliefs of what's offensive and what's just people being "sensitive" to the whole world. I live in Australia now, and I may not understand how and why calling someone a "wanker" is so bad, but I do realize that calling someone that may be grounds for an immediate and thorough ass-kicking. Why I don't do it...

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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:40 AM
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11. I've noticed this too.
You kind of have to, since this kind of music apparently must be played at top volume. The constant bad language and the bizarrely inappropriate lyrics certainly seems shocking to anyone who grew up with the Beatles. (Not to mention the tuneless non-singing. This is music?)
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:37 AM
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27. No doubt coming out of a cadillac driven by a welfare queen with eight or nine kids?
I mean hey, so long as you're shoveling out stereotypes, might as well go full-throttle here. "This kind" of music must be played at full volume? While I hear a lot of Toby Kieth at full volume, with loud rap, all I ever hear is the bass thumping, when coming from someone's car. If you can make out lyrics from the bass, well, you must have better ears than I do. I figure you're just making the assumption that if it's rap, then it's talking about bitches, niggers, and killing someone's grandma.

Because you know, that's all "these people" talk about in "their music" - No doubt your grandparents expressed the same sentiments about Elvis and his "jungle music" or the Stones and their "nigger lyrics."

I'll be honest with ya here. I actually felt the same about rap, that it was tuneless and tasteless. Then I started listening to it. I'd suggest the same for you, if only to broaden your musical horizons. Judging it all by Snoop Dogg or P. Diddy is kind of like judging rock by Ted Nugent and Papa Roach.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:57 PM
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33. Down, boy. I was referring to overly obscene lyrics mentioned in another post.
When I said "this kind" of music I was referring to lyrics about "bitches, niggers, and killing someone's grandma", not all of rap for God's sake. I do periodically hear the former offensive music played loudly. That's all I was saying.

Sheesh. Sensitive much?
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jettison Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:58 PM
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63. terrrific post
Some of these takes sound pretty racist, and people don't even realize it. None of you have walked a mile in anyone else's moccasins, nor have you grown up in another person's culture. It's so easy to narrow your eyes and criticize, and so difficult and scary for most to actually try to understand what's foreign for them. Once again, Obama's speech about being fearful of those that are different from us rings true.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:42 AM
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12. when you've been threatened and beaten with a verbal weapon for decades, it's natural to want
to take that weapon and neutralize it.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:46 AM
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15. Yeah, I'm a Euro myself, but I've always figured it was used as a defense mechanism.
NGU.


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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:29 AM
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20. actually it is used as a profit mechanism by some - perpetual adolescence sells well nt
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:14 AM
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26. Thank you
I remember hearing the same argument when Imus got caught with his hands in the racist cookie jar. well if black don't like it then..... Well if white people don't like the N word then why do some white people still use it today. It's like an excuse for some folks ignorance and racism. Now I know ignorant people love to play the victim but come on now. If you choose to use that word in a derogatory manner towards any person of color the only one you have to blame is yourself and whoever the hell raised you. Like I said, I know some white girls who love to call themselves bitch. It seems this is the thing now to call your girl friend bitch. I don't go around calling all white women bitch I think the word is pretty degrading. It's called common sense and maybe some folks should pick up a history book. I think those who are so "concerned" with the word Nigger being used in black culture should study black culture before they open their mouths about the issue. Maybe they would understand there is a difference in rap music and that hip hop was the first and that gangsta rap is where you will find the N word and the word bitch used in a manner to degrade. In regards to hip hop and old school rap say Public Enemy or The Roots the N word is going to be used in a totally different context.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:41 AM
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38. Same reason white trash
Can pick on and beat up on his brother in fun but when a bully does it it's serious.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:45 AM
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45. this is a favoritie "i'm not a racist, but..." argument. classic.
:eyes:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:24 AM
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54. Will it make you feel better about yourself if you can use the word. . .
. . .maybe we should convene a submit so that we can address your concerns.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:35 AM
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56. Because...
Your record company forefathers are making money off of it and your kids are buying
it. So there is yo answer.
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jettison Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:48 PM
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61. My God you're white. Wow.
Just an observation. Don't worry, you won't even know what I mean by that.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:57 AM
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51. We're definitely in sillytown.
Reminds me of when I saw Dave Attell. When people don't get his jokes, he'll say, "Ok, you want to go to sillytown, don't you I get it... Ever wrestle with your dog so hard you c*m?"

And the crowd goes crazy.

We're in sillytown. No one wants to talk about issues. It's boring and unsexy. Let's talk about if someone is elite! That's about as meaningful as the war on drugs or getting back to family values.

Such a crock of shit.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:32 AM
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3. And who graduated from the most prestigious school in the country
and went on to do community service in the inner city.

Elitists always do that.

/sarcasm
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:34 AM
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6. Exactly, good point :-)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:34 AM
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5. Elitist... Arrogant... Uppity...
He should know his place!! (That'd be the Oval Office...)

Great pics, btw...

NGU.


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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:40 AM
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9. They're attacking his greatest strength - that he's not one of them.
Good.
If she doesn't pull 65% of the vote in Pennsylvania off of this, it means they didn't buy the elitist tagline.

Good luck with that.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:31 PM
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29. The road seems insurmountable, but yes, his place IS the Oval Office.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:12 PM
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65. that is what this is all about
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:07 AM
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16. Thank you for this post.
Damn. You brought this white 63 year old woman to tears again. I have been shedding a lot of them over the course of this campaign.

I was 15 when I went door to door for JFK. He inspired me to want to go into public service. My father was a Democrat, but was, and still can be racist. I remember having more than a casual interest in a young black student in high school, but didn't even dare to talk to him for fear my father would find out and would kill me or him. My father's favorite musician was the African American jazz pianist Oscar Peterson. He had all his records--went to his concert when he was in town. He liked many other black jazz musicians as well. It seems as long as "they kept to what the white man would allow" he didn't mind. My father would also cuss MLK out every time he was on tv. What a contradiction. I fought this every day I lived at home--just one reason I left as soon as I could. I was 18, and in my first year at a local state college, when JFK was gunned down, and I was so devastated. Then came Martin and Bobby's assassinations. My three heroes gone, and I allowed my dreams to die with them.

I have reluctantly allowed myself to dream again, with the possibility of an Obama Presidency. My heart goes out to all the young people that have been so inspired by him. I am revisiting all those youthful feelings of hope and possibility--and it does make one emotional at times.

Oh, my father at 84, is coming around a bit. He prefers Obama to Hillary-- more out of the fact he can't stand her, than he likes him. He was for Edwards. I'm still sure more a race factor than not. But the fact that he is even this open to Obama gives me hope for the future.

And even though my relationship with my father was strained at various times over the years---I never disowned him, but tried as best I could to understand why he was like he was--the fact that he never really knew anyone of color, as I had the chance to do in school. He never was exposed to enlightened teachers, as I had been. I am so thankful that I had those opportunities outside my father's ignorance, or I might have ended up the same.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:11 AM
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17. Wow.. what a touching story, MoJo.. thank you for this. Stories like yours are what
makes this man, this experience he offers us, so healing and so real. I am moved by your words and join you in the tears you shed over this campaign season.. a metaphorical journey for all of us through the barriers that divide us still as a nation.

Thank you and god bless :-)
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:19 AM
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19. We must keep our faith and hope strong this time.
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:27 AM
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39. wow- and your story just about brought me to tears- thank you for sharing, MoJo
as a 49 year old woman, I think that Obama could heal this country. But I didn't grow up with racism in COlorado here. In fact, I had never even met a colored person until my twenties. I can remember thinking how beautiful their skin was. This must have something to do with where you are raised. I have a good friend who was born in Colorado, but raised in Mississippi and her racism shocks me. She used the phrase "that's mighty white of you" and has nothing but disparaging remarks about Dr. Martin Luther King, who I happen to think was a great American. Her response to Obama is of course I wouldn't vote for him, he's a Muslim. After she sent me 'the email' and I sent her the Snopes article debunking it, I came to the realization that she would prefer to think of it as not voting for a Muslim, than admitting that she is racist and could not vote for a black man.

How many people are like her though in our country? I would hope not that many.
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cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:14 PM
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77. Colored?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:13 AM
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18. He's come a long way, that's for sure.
From being a victim of snobbery to being a proponent of it.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:57 AM
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21. Didn't he spend quite a few years in such elitist places as Kansas?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:02 AM
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22. I believe so, yes. And his first night in NYC, he slept on the street. Elitist, out of touch.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:08 AM
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24. did you read this in one if his books?
you know...sleeping in the streets.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:14 AM
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25. If I hadn't read your vile attacks here against Obama, I'd answer you. But I have, so I won't.
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Diogenes2 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:35 PM
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30. THANK YOU ampad, chulanowa, MoJoWorkin & others
on this thread whose illuminating, cogent and deeply moving remarks have given me encouragement today. May your willingness to expand upon and delineate these issues spread throughout DU and elsewhere!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:52 AM
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47. agreed...some people are not worth responding to.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:53 PM
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32. And now you've proven the point made in the OP with your "Angry Black Man" post. Thank you.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:53 AM
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48. your only purpose is to inflame, so why bother asking?
no answer given would satisfy you.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:42 AM
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28. K&R
:kick:
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:50 PM
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31. Very thoughtful post K & R
Great pictures too. I haven't read Obama's books yet (I can't afford to buy them right now), and this really makes me want to. I'm so proud to support him.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:01 AM
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35. An elitist snob who chose community organizing over Wall Street
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:33 AM
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36. {sniff}
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:26 AM
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41. I, for one, will be proud to pull the lever for this elitist snob in November
Washington could use a lot more elitist snobs like him!

K/R
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:31 AM
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42. yes, I understand
in your world all attacks on Obama are racially motivated.

what a load of crap.

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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:43 AM
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44. no, i don't think so.
that's not the point of the op.

the point is the latest attack calling him 'elitist' is ridiculous given his background.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:02 AM
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55. first of all - let me quote the OP -
"Now, in this latest vicious and yes, racially-motivated attack".

My comment was predicated directly on that remark, and I think, in the case of the OP at least, it is completely correct.

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Second - I don't think the argument that a person's upbringing somehow absolves them from being an elitist is much of an argument. Obama was ginning up some campaign money from a bunch of rich SF elitist snobs - so, like any good politician or used car salesman, he adopted their language.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:20 PM
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59. What a load of crap, indeed
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 02:20 PM by Orrex
In reply #42 you wrote:
in your world all attacks on Obama are racially motivated. (emphasis mine)


And now you declare:

"Now, in this latest vicious and yes, racially-motivated attack".

My comment was predicated directly on that remark, and I think, in the case of the OP at least, it is completely correct. (emphasis mine)


So you're extrapolating the motivation for all attacks based on one statement in one post.

Which is it? Do you assert that the OP claims a racial motivation behind all attacks or one attack? And, if the latter, do you deny that the claim is justified in this case?

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:49 AM
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70. is that really the best you can do?
christ.

Arguing with an obama fan is like arguing with a little kid.

neener, neener.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:46 AM
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73. So...
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 10:48 AM by Orrex
You make an accusation, directly contradict yourself immediately thereafter, and then complain about the rhetorical abilities of Obama's supporters?


:eyes:


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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:48 PM
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75. you can think whatever you please
you can put whatever spin you want on my reply (which was to someone else, btw)

I'm tired of the likes of you and your playground arguments.




Go try to score points on someone who gives a shit about what you say.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:53 PM
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76. So, we can count on your vote for Obama after Clinton finally faces reality?
Glad to have you aboard, fellow Democrat! Your unfailingly civil discourse in the face of an embarrassing Primary defeat is truly inspirational.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:11 AM
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78. I will vote for Obama if he is the nominee
despite that fact that so many Obama supporters on this board are complete fucking assholes.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:09 PM
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79. Fair enough. But the same can be said of Clinton's supporters, can it not?
:shrug:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:54 AM
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49. no, you don't understand.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:31 AM
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43. Obama is quite welcome in my world.
I was proud to vote for him in the NY primary and will be proud to vote for him in the GE.....because he is the best candidate.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:55 AM
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50. I laugh when he's called an elitist snob by Clinton supporters as if somehow...
Clinton ISN'T.
Please, she IS the elite.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:03 AM
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52. Senator Obama on the beach looks like the happiest child in the world!
I have not read his book yet, but now shall, his prose is outstanding.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:35 AM
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57. BITTER AINT THE HALF OF IT..... GOBAMA
WE ALREADY KNOW THE DANGER OF BOMB BOMB BOMB JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN....

for the past several months i have advocated allowing Clinton and Obama to duke it out---
what does not kill us makes us stronger


BUT HILLARY HAS GONE INTO A "ME OR DIE" REPUBLICAN-LITE ATTACK FORMAT WHICH WILL NOW HAVE ME VOTING MCCAIN IF SHE IS OUR CANDIDATE.....
..................NEW YORK CAN KEEP THEIR SENATOR

BARACK IS "NOT IN TOUCH"??????

BARACK DIDN'T MAKE $110 MILLION DOLLARS LAST YEAR
BARACK JUST FINISHED PAYING OFF HIS STUDENT LOANS
BARACK GREW UP IN A LOWER MIDDLE CLASS ENVIRONMENT WITH THE CONSTANT STIGMA ASSIGNED TO PEOPLE OF HIS COLOR IN AMERICA

........ HILLARY... PLEASE READ THIS... GO HOME!!!!!
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:29 PM
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60. how predictable.
Pulling out the race card. It's never Baracks fault: "he's black!!! don't you get it!??"

:eyes:

I don't think you all see anything BUT Baracks skin color, which is in itself bigoted and racist. sad.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:13 PM
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66. I think you deliberately do not understand the OP
...which I find even more sad.

Here it is in plain words: "Caling Barack Obama an "elitist" is ridiculous given his background."

Plain enough?
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:45 AM
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72. look up the term 'racist'.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:02 PM
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64. Has nothing to do with bitter
Or Obama being called names growing up. It is about his characterization of what happens when you become bitter. Did he "cling" to guns and a bible? No. There is no there, there. He does not get a free pass because of his upbringing or race. People will not just because of your race or where you are from...but who you are...TODAY!
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:27 AM
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69. Cling to the Bible?
The bible does seem pretty important to him.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:15 PM
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67. Obama doesn't write that he was called those names...
...in that paragraph.

Just that he theoretically could be called those names.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:16 PM
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68. thank you SO much for this post, and helping me add 1/2 dozen fools to my ignore list
yup
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:33 AM
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71. yep.
"...Apologize for telling the truth to the white man's world."

Ouch.

and spot on.
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