Does anyone here support Hillary?

[suziedemocrat]

I'm a Hoosier and I am leaning towards her. But, it seems like all of the posts here are anti-Hillary. Does anyone on DU support her?

[my3boyz]

1. Only about 5% that post over and over again! nt

[JoFerret]

109. True - she is a minority choice on DU

However - it would be a good experience for young white affluent people(the great underdisadvantaged BO demographic) to try and walk in the shoes of a Hillary supporter for a week or two on DU. It might provide that minority experience they may crave and for real.

To get the real favor - stay on the high ground and don't trash the candidate.
Just suggest good reasons to find Hillary the better choice for progressive democrats and
the better choice for America and
the stronger oppontent of McCain.

And to say you can't do that because the reasons are not there? Imagine a president McCain for four years and Try harder.

[bigtree]

2. I do.

here's a nice thread to read (and kick):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5474955

[SwampG8r]

127. bigtree

as much as i am full of contempt for your candidate i am in awe of you
you have kept to the high road and your posts are the least snarky of any hillary supporter here on DU
they are almost always well thought out and substantive
if more of your fellow hillary supporters would state a case like you do
maybe she wouldnt be running 3rd
thanks for keeping it civil

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Yep!

I'm a proud Clinton supporter.

[Bensthename]

4. There used to be until she joined the McCain ticket.

[stevenleser]

59. LOL, well said! I wish I could rec a reply!!!

:rofl:

:yourock:

[DemGa]

5. Yes n/t

[Avalux]

6. May I ask why you are leaning towards her?

I am not wanting to start an argument, just would like to hear your reasons. She has shown herself to be dishonest on a number of occasions recently so I'm not sure why someone undecided would vote for her at this point.

[springhill]

17. Like this lie? Right.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/

KRUGMAN (4/11/08): Some readers may already have recognized the story of Trina Bachtel. While campaigning in Ohio, Hillary Clinton was told this story, and she took to repeating it, without naming the victim, on the campaign trail. She used it as an illustration of what's wrong with American health care and why we need universal coverage.

Then The Washington Post identified Ms. Bachtel, the hospital where she died claimed that the story was false—and the news media went to town, accusing Mrs. Clinton of making stuff up. Instead of being a story about health care, it became a story about the candidate's supposed problems with the truth.

Last week, we felt we knew why the Post had fact-checked this story; almost surely, they were hoping they’d find a mistake, to be used as a club against Clinton. (This pattern has been plain for years.) But uh-oh! As things turned out, the Post and some other big papers had semi-bungled their own fact-checking; they thundered that Clinton’s story was wrong, then discovered her story was basically right. “In fact, Mrs. Clinton was accurately repeating the story as it was told to her,” Krugman continues, “and it turns out that while some of the details were slightly off, the essentials of her story were correct.” Yes, Clinton’s story turned out to be basically accurate. And when big pundits saw that was true, they dropped Bachtel like a rock.

Having created interest in the story, it would have been normal to follow up, in the way Krugman does today. But in truth, most pundits didn’t care about Bachtel herself, or about what her story might tell us. They had wanted to beat up on Clinton. Bachtel’s story lost its interest when that cause was denied.

[dkf]

107. Latest Columbus Dispatch (4/11): Clinton's anecdote grounded in errors

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/national_world/stories/2008/04/11/hilflap.ART_ART_04-11-08_A1_UE9T91B.html?sid=101

"As it turns out, almost none of what Clinton said was accurate. Bachtel was insured through her job managing a pizza restaurant, she was under the regular care of an obstetrics facility in Athens, and she had been part of the O'Bleness Health System in Ohio.

Bachtel was manager for about six years of the Gallipolis Pizza Hut, where her benefits included health insurance, said Stanley Jarvis, a regional manager for the restaurant chain and a friend of Bachtel's.

In 2005, she joined the O'Bleness Health System in Athens, according to Linda Weiss, a spokeswoman for O'Bleness.

During her pregnancy in 2007, Bachtel was under the care of River Rose Obstetrics and Gynecology, which is part of the O'Bleness system and across the parking lot from O'Bleness' hospital in Athens.

According to Jane Broecker, an obstetrician at River Rose, Bachtel made 14 visits between Feb. 8 and July 31. "She came regularly for appointments," Broecker said.

In addition, records made available by O'Bleness show that Bachtel visited the hospital seven times in 2007 on an outpatient basis. Six of those visits took place on the same day she had been at River Rose.

On Aug. 1, Bachtel was admitted to O'Bleness, where her baby boy was stillborn. Two days later, she was transferred to Riverside Hospital in Columbus and finally to Ohio State University Medical Center, where she died Aug. 15.

Bachtel died of adult respiratory distress, with pneumonia and liver failure contributing to her death, her death certificate says.

Broecker said that even if Bachtel had not been insured, she would have been treated at O'Bleness. "The hospital is a charity provider," Broecker said. "We don't turn pregnant patients away."

[suziedemocrat]

21. Goodwill left over from Bill. I like her speeches.

I think Obama is dishonest too. (I'm in Chicago for a job now - I know who Renko is.) My faves have been out of the race for a while, so I can't get passionate about either of them really. But, I like her speeches. To me they seem very specific and detailed, and I like that. I did VERY well when Bill was President. And, the obligatory "you are racist" retorts to anyone who doesn't support Obama REALLY turn me off. And the Obama group treated Biden terribly in the Iowa caucuses.

I don't want a fight either - just want to know if I should bother stopping by DU anymore.

[CoffeeCat]

31. My experience with Biden's people...

...was very positive.

I'm in Iowa, and we were all pulling for a Biden/Obama or Obama/Biden ticket.

There was a great deal of reciprocity between those camps.

In my precinct, Biden didn't have enough supporters in his corner at the caucus, to make
him viable. The Obama supporters worked together, and sent over a few Obama supporters
to Biden's camp--to get Biden to that viability threshold.

Biden received one delegate in our precinct because of that.

I just wanted to pass on a positive story, and let you know that the Obama supporters I know loved Joe, and still do!
I want Obama to select Biden for veep.

I'm sorry if you had a bad experience.

[suziedemocrat]

35. I didn't have the experience, it was a post her on DU.

Obama wouldn't help Biden become viable. It was a long post and it made me angry.

Iowa has an idioic system - I'm sorry but it does. Imo - the best candidates never made it past Iowa.

[SwampG8r]

130. joe is cool with me

he was without a single doubt the only candidate who could claim experience
joes a good guy
a real guy

[Hepburn]

96. You know who RENKO is....

...LOL. The name is REZKO! :eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

103. Rezko! LOL!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Oh wait. You mean Tony Rezko, ReMax agent?

[SwampG8r]

131. im sure she means this rezko

the clinton donor and supporter






still funny?

[PBS Poll-435]

137. Yep. HILLarious!

Nice try.

Try Chicago political financier. Almost every Illinois SD and Obama backer is tied to that guy.

The Clintons? He took a picture with them. Looks to be about 93-94. Her hair was longer then.

[SwampG8r]

164. so that is the rezko she means?

[mamalone]

154. Biden was my man too.....

I cried when he dropped out of the race.

but I really do like Obama as well.....

[Tom Rinaldo]

7. She usually gets a little over 15% in unofficial polls here n/t

[ruggerson]

15. That none of us vote in

[bigtree]

16. you got that right

they're usually just a rallying point for Obama supporters.

[ruggerson]

27. They're message board circle jerks

[donheld]

106. cuz they make you cry

:cry:

[ima_sinnic]

8. some people pretend to, but their sincerity as democrats is in question

it is a favorite pastime of Rush Limbaugh dittoheads to try to divide the Democrats by posing as Clinton supporters and instigating infighting. It is a Rovian tactic.

She doesn't seem to have many principles, so she has little support here.

[MyNameGoesHere]

25. If i am to understand this post,

you say that anyone supporting Clinton is not a Democrat? What kind of stuff is that? How about I make YOU take a loyalty test?

[ima_sinnic]

80. whatever. you're free to get all huffy. many have said they won't be voting for the Democrat

if Hillary doesn't get the nomination. So they're either not Democrats to begin with, or they're petulant, foot-stomping children who get in a snit because they didn't get a pony for their birthday. Either way, they are voting for McCain, either directly or indirectly, by not voting at all. Capische?

[MyNameGoesHere]

84. No i don't "Capice".

Broad swipes at supporters or groups are usually frowned upon, however since you are a supporter of the candidate that espouses hope, change and unity. It makes perfect sense to me. You are and should be proud of you and your candidates "real" doctrine.

[SwampG8r]

132. sure your a democrat

its hillary we wonder about

[MyNameGoesHere]

168. Well thanks for clearing me as a democrat, i can sleep well now

Now may we see your credentials? Including loyalty oaths.

[SoFlaJet]

9. only if she's the nominee

I didn't vote for her in our fake primary down here either but will gladly do so IF she's the dem nominee

[ClassWarrior]

10. If you honestly support Sen. Clinton, I welcome you. Unfortunately...

...a small band of hate-spewing trolls have been giving your candidate and her supporters a bad name.

NGU.

[suziedemocrat]

33. That is true - the meanest reply I have EVER gotten here was from a Clinton supporter.

I was left reeling from it. But, the vitriol comes from both sides here. The argument has gotten so ugly.

I have been a life-long hard-core Democrat, but since I started coming to these blogs, first kos, then here during the last presidential election, (I left kos because I thought Kerry won and he didn't want to hear it), I'm become more middle-of-the-road. I can't stand the ugliness.

[ClassWarrior]

41. Don't let the vitriol make you abandon your values.

There's a small percentage of bitter people in every group. What's the real crime is when others exploit that to divide us. As a Progressive, that goes against everything I believe.

NGU.

[myrna minx]

79. This place can be a rather heated and contentious, and the vitriol can be

unbelievable, but you can wade through the food fights and find good information. Stick to the issues and try to ignore the viciousness and you'll arrive at the best choice for you. I'm an Obama supporter, so I would hope you would choose him, but Hillary's supporters will provide you with reasons to vote for her as well. Welcome to DU, suziedemocrat. :hi:

[suziedemocrat]

99. I've been here a while. Just don't post much.

[SwampG8r]

134. hey mm?

who are those guys?they look familiar but i cant put my finger on it

[myrna minx]

147. Tom Waits and Jim Jarmusch.

:hi:

[CoffeeCat]

146. I understand what you're saying...

...and I agree.

However, don't you think that this medium is a collection of over-the-top emotional
responses? I come here to read, to learn--but also to vent. Taking the time to post
something, requires emotion. Saying something doesn't require all that much. The level
of discourse online is always a bit amped up.

I never take it seriously.

Also, don't you also agree that the anonymity also leads to more mischief? People
say things online that they might not ordinarily say in real life. Plus, when you're
talking with people who don't know you, and people you will most like ever meet--things
get a bit more over-the-top.

I never judge any Obama or Clinton person by opinion spewed from the Internet. This is a
medium where we're a bit more free to vent and express negative opinions, and that's a good
thing. It's interesting to read and it's cathartic--but it's certainly not representative of
real life.

I spent 10 hours with thousands of Hillary and Obama supporters at our county convention a few
weeks ago. These were all pledged delegates--the most loyal and ardent of supporters. Things
went swimmingly and everyone got along great. I sat with 50 Clinton supporters at one point, and
we had a civil discussion about all of the issues.

I wouldn't want tc change what happens on blogs and messageboards--it's a rollicking good time. However,
in my opinion, it's just a big sounding board for every hyperbolic emotion under the sun.

Cheers, :)

[suziedemocrat]

149. Great Post. Thanks for the insight.

[ruggerson]

11. Yo

[Hepburn]

12. Only those whose eyes are closed and who love Kool Aide.

Why do you ask?

[Olney Blue]

13. I do.

[Eurobabe]

14. I don't. Think back to the 90s, do you really want

another 4-8 years of the Clinton media frenzy? I sure don't. And Bill is off his rocker with reporters these days. One can only imagine (horrors) what he will say or do. I think Hillary has lead a disgusting, dirty campaign.

I want real change.

[The River]

23. One Of Reasons

I never considered her seriously is the
media mania that would ensue. Not only
would they jump on everything she does in the present
but they'd drag up everything from the 90's....
over and over and over and over again.

[suziedemocrat]

46. 1992-2000 was a FANTASTIC time for me.

I graduated from college in 1985. When the first George Bush was president, I was making minimum wage. By 2000, I had a career and had traveled the world. In my crowd (IT), it seemed like the sun would never set - it was such a wonderful time. But, this decade has been hideous for me, but still better than before Clinton.

I personally think Bill Clinton is a genius. I'd love to have HIM back. (And Ruben and the rest of his economic team.)

[RaleighNCDUer]

51. Please, speaking as one in the field, how do you see Clinton

as being responsible for the IT boom of the 90s?

Can you say that it was more than a simple coincidence that Clinton was elected at the time of the Pentium explosion?

In many sectors the 90s were a great time (not for me, personally, but that's a different matter), but how much of it was due to Clinton, and how much due to the arrival of a powerful new technology that carried the economy along with it?

[Awsi Dooger]

94. LOL! "Speaking as one in the field..."

No kidding. Pig farmers think the world revolves around pig farming.

It's high delusional hilarity to attribute the Clinton '90s solely to the IT boom.

[suziedemocrat]

153. I think Bill Clinton had a lot to do with the economic boom in the 1990's.

I am a COBOL/Mainframe programmer - the technology I work with was created in the 50's-80's. My career is based on business investment. I think when the federal government's budget is not out-of-whack it frees up money for business investing.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. Yes. Nearly half the country supports her, but the Obama attack supporters on DU

have driven off most everyone.

[Mags]

30. I support Hillary until the end. I also agree with Evergreen Emerald.

[AllentownJake]

42. Actually

A quarter of the country...the other half supports McCain right now.

[dchill]

63. Please don't try to dazzle them...

with math. They HATE that. :)

[AllentownJake]

93. oops forgot.

[dchill]

98. That's okay - in the heat of the moment...

it's easy to forget about the math-impaired wing of the Democratic Party. :hi:

[SwampG8r]

135. 1/2 the country?

not even 1/2 of the democrats in the country do

[davsand]

19. Hil has been reviled here for years. She is DLC.

Suziedemocrat, all you have to do here at DU is to go back and check the archives for discussions about the DLC and you will see Hil's name come up over and over again. The animosity for Hil has been here for a VERY long time.

Now, lest you dismiss DU as some sort of "uber left wing" cesspool, remember why this website even exists. It was born of the anger and frustration of the 2000 "selection." Small wonder we have such distrust of those Dems who have enabled some of the neo-con initiatives.



Laura

[RaleighNCDUer]

60. And that is mostly because of problems with the DLC, not Hillary per se.

If she had the good sense and integrity to disavow the DLC, as Obama, Gore, and Edwards have done, then her past membership would not be a problem. The problem is her CURRENT membership, her holding to DLC "principles" of compromise and triangulation - of taking a Third Way which is in opposition to long-time Democratic principles.

She seems nice enough as a person, but we are not electing a neighbor. We are electing a president who will guide the country and our party according to his or her beliefs - and the beliefs of the DLC are just plain wrong.

[suziedemocrat]

151. Good post. I never thought of that - the DLC connection.

[Fredda Weinberg]

20. Many left ... some saying goodbye privately. I've supported HRC

for about 8 years and look forward to the end of silly season. We invited her as our senator here in NY and she'll make a fine governor if this compaign doesn't go our way.

[RaleighNCDUer]

61. LOL

"We invited her..."

Funniest thing I've read today.

[SwampG8r]

136. yeah it is

i spewed coke laughing

[JimGinPA]

22. Some Here Claim To Support Her - But They're Mostly Just Anti-Obama...

Very few threads here about her accomplishments or good qualities, or even realistic arguments for her candidacy. Even the OP's that try to be positive for her are so nauseatingly fawning it's laughable. ("The Goddess of Peace" etc.)

[ruggerson]

28. I disagree

with almost every point you made

[JimGinPA]

52. As A Serial Obama Basher I Guess You Would...

You just conflate anti-Obama with pro-Hillary.

[ruggerson]

72. You apparently don't have

much reading comprehension. Show me where I've serially "bashed" Obama. (not critiqued him about an issue or something valid, but where I've attacked him unfairly.)

And, btw, I don't think I've ever seen you write a word defending Hillary. A little one sided?

[JimGinPA]

76. I Never Claimed To - You Disagreed With My Point, Which You Have Only Denied...

Not disproved. Your claiming you've never bashed Obama is a joke.

[ruggerson]

78. I repeat

show me where I've "serially bashed" Obama.

[JimGinPA]

82. Repeated Denials Are Still Denials...

What you claim as "critiques" are often harsh and based on falsehoods. You claim to be a supporter but I see little evidence of it.

[ruggerson]

88. I see you can't back up your claim

with anything.

Here's a few OP's recently in support of Clinton:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5478150

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5400480

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5400661

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5114467

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4495160

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4813630

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5480225

If you want, I can show you posts defending Obama too. But I imagine you will now slink away.

[JimGinPA]

90. Did I Shit On Any Of Those Threads?

Now lets see some of your "friendly" critiques of Obama. I don't shit on positive Hillary threads, with the exception of cases where down-thread someone becomes outrageous. Sometimes I even REC those threads.

[ruggerson]

92. Now you're changing the goalposts

you said I don't write positive things about the candidate I support.

I proved you wrong.

As for "serially" bashing Obama, that was a bogus charge YOU made, hence the onus is on you to prove it.

See ya.

[JimGinPA]

111. You May Be Right - I Apologize...

I looked up dozens of your posts and I didn't find anything resembling what I accused you of. I stand corrected. If it weren't for the three post rule I would make an even more public apology.

[ruggerson]

113. I appreciate that

it takes a good, honest guy to do that.

:toast:

[Marrah_G]

167. Now that was cool

Apologies on this board are a rare thing. You just gained a few respect points (with me anyway).

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. Absolutly not true. Most just defend her from the constant distortions and attacks

she gets by the minute. Most of the attacks are so unreasonable, and mostly gleaned from right-wing sites.

It is very ugly here. And most of the Clinton supporters are attacked constantly for their defense of Clinton.

[Tom Rinaldo]

43. Exactly

Although I do not support him for President right now and find some fault with aspects of his campaign, there are plenty of things that I like about Obama also. But he is not constantly called a traitor to the Democratic Party and an enemy of all values that progressives find dear on this board the way that Hillary Clinton is.

This thread is proof of that. Obama supporters loyalty to the Demcoratic Party is not called into question, that is reserved for Clinton supporters.

[RaleighNCDUer]

66. "...he is not constantly called a traitor to the Democratic Party and an enemy of all values that

progressives find dear on this board the way that Hillary Clinton is."

That's because he isn't, and she is.

She is DLC. DLC have openly declared war on Democratic priciples, staking out a "Third Way" that is opposed to what the Democratic party has long stood for. They are anti-progressive, anti-populist, anti-union, pro-business, pro-empire, and have done everything in their power to undermine traditional Democratic values for the past 25 years.

She is a card carrying member of the DLC. And moderate though he be, Obama is NOT.

It is possible to be a moderate and not sell out the Democratic party. In this election, that seems the best we can hope for.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

97. There it is.

:applause:

[Zodiak]

119. Great post NCevilDUer

Right on the money!

[SwampG8r]

139. and may i add

if you sell out the democratic party then you are selling out america because at this time the democratic party is the only party actively working to make america a better place

[JimGinPA]

58. Look Back On The Crap You Post...

You are one of the guiltiest here of exactly what you accuse others of doing.

[Evergreen Emerald]

69. You will notice that they are responding to ugly posts of Clinton or of Clinton supporters.

[JimGinPA]

83. You Shit On Threads Constantly That Have Nothing To Do With Who You Claim To Support...

You a a serial basher as well.

[Evergreen Emerald]

86. Please.

Take off your Obama goggles. Reality is that I am defending Clinton and supporters who are attacked constantly.

[ruggerson]

89. You're deluded

seriously. You're not in touch with reality.

Isn't there a campaign outside your door? Go do some work.

[ruggerson]

73. Dude, I think you're the problem here

and your more angry cohorts.

[JackORoses]

110. I see you lie as freely as your clown of a candidate.

[Marrah_G]

166. I have no problem both supporting Hillary and not being Anti-Obama

[Faygo Kid]

24. Are you kidding? There is a laundry list of posters here. Here's a brief list.

MethuenProgressive, rodeodance, ElsewheresDaughter, jackson_dem, pirhana, indimuse, Lirwin2 - these are just some of the names of her supporters here. Admittedly, they more frequently post anti-Obama screeds than those in support of her, but they are certainly not reticent, nor are their posts hard to find.

[SwampG8r]

141. yes

they are all serial disrupters

[davsand]

157. No, they are NOT. Don't even attempt to say they are.

MethuenProgressive, rodeodance, ElsewheresDaughter, jackson_dem, and pirhana have all been here a while from what I can recall. You can disagree with them if you choose to--I do when it comes to candidate choice this time--but you do not have any right to call them disrupters.

I call bullshit.



Laura

[SwampG8r]

163. call what you want

call a pig a dinosaur
call a boat a mountain lion
it wont change what they are
and every name you listed has been a constant disruptor crapping on positive threads
they make the choice themselves
and frankly their choice ability may be compromised
i admit im new here
but im not blind here and long term residency shouldnt give you a pass when you show disturbing mental tendencies
so bullshitaway they are all of them YOU named
serial disrupters

[Mz Pip]

26. I'd like her

a whole lot more if she would spend more time calling McCain an elitist and focusing on his mangled prose instead of the divisive attacks she uses against a fellow Democrat.

If she gets the nomination I'll vote for her but I too grow weary at the thought of the media feeding frenzy that will occur with another Clinton in the White HOuse. I can only hope Bill has been behaving himself these past 7 years.

[SwampG8r]

142. so you havent heard the stories about bill in brazil?

omg if they become news fodder

[PBS Poll-435]

155. What is it with you and the Sex? nt

[SwampG8r]

161. sex?where do you see sex in my post?

you might want to check your thinking if everytime someone says bill you go "sex"
and then again
maybe you DID hear the brazil stories and i hit a nerve

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

29. I do and I'm a delegate for her, as well.

And, I will vote for Sen. Obama if he's our GE nominee, without hesitation.

Unfortunately, both sides have people who take utter delight in ripping one candidate or the other to metaphorical shreds, a most unhelpful thing for them to do, but embracing negativity is second nature to them.

Because Obama supporters outnumber Clinton supporters here, one does see more anti Clinton posts here than those posts which support her.

There are other sites which have a more equitable number of supporters for each, and some which are 100% for Sen. Clinton.

In real life, the Democrats with whom I work and with whom I share delegate status are much more civil and respectful of each other. We know how high the stakes are for this election. A united front is paramount to defeating McCain and gaining more seats in the House and Senate.

[applegrove]

32. I do. Mostly because I think she would do better against the GOP slime machine.

I like her policies and see her as a no nonsense roll-up your sleeves kinda President.

[Name removed]

36. Deleted message

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[EFerrari]

40. Translation: Hillary started losing and has lost supporters. n/t

[splat]

44. Translation: Hillary's supporters got tired of the locker room sewage here

[EFerrari]

49. It has gotten better since The Change. That's true. n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

45. This is an example. Both have lost supporters, it is common for

people to change their minds. But, the constant negative, unreasonable posts from Obama supporters, either drives people away or we resort to responding in kind.

[stevenleser]

62. Bingo!

[chill factor]

37. If you are still undecided..

I would suggest you watch The Clinton Chronicles...I did, and when it was over I almost threw up on my keyboard....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6470450895164255089

[stray cat]

38. I did but not anymore - I think she is intentionally misleading in her campaign

and it reminds me too much of the games W has played to mislead people and pit them against one another.

[rock]

39. I do

It does appear that DU is heavily Obama.

[LiberalZrule]

47. I do and here is why

Hillary campaigning in Valparaiso, IN..I watched
this today on CNN and I was impressed with Hillary...she was charming, funny, inspiring, full of hope for the future...Her impersonation was hilarious. I have seen speaches of Obama and this is the first time I had time to watch her campaign and I felt a stir in my heart. A message of hope should encourage people about the good qualities still in their life not what they are bitter about. Everyone knows this country is on the wrong track and it needs change, but I think a message about hope should lift a person up and show them that they still have integrity and dreams and hopes..not despairs, frustrations, antipaty, and anti this and anti that. She was very personal when talking about that company...I cant recall its name...which had to close in Valparaiso and the jobs were outsourced to China. I smiled when I saw that sign "Real me for Hillary".

I turned on the tv to cnn, which despite what many may think, is the BEST show on tv for news, and I saw that live broadcast I quietly sat down and watched it. I was glued to my seat. I am normally surfing the internet for many hours and down watch much television, but today I am glad I did. So what if she lied or misspoke or have a husband who cant keep his mouth shut. It is the issues that are important to me. What she is going to do for people like me that is important to me. I have grown up my entire life believing all politicians lie and so I have to vote for one who lies not the least but lies about the unimportant things. Back in 2004 there was something about Kerry I could not trust. I did not like Bush and there was no way this self respecting democrat would vote for him. But Kerry....I always trust my instincts about people and they are never wrong and my instincts about Hillary is that she will bring about change. She will bring back jobs to America. She has America first in her heart. She will fight for free health care for everyone. She will do everything she sets out in her campaign promise to do. I was sadden those many years ago when she was stopped cold by the republicans on universal health care, but it will not happen this time. Democrats have the edge in Congress this year.

I would like to contribute to her campign. I would like to donate the maximum of 2300 dollars but you see...I am one of those guys Obama was talking about that lost their job and I am not bitter...I dont have a gun...I cling to religion because the Bible is the best source of instruction on the way to live your life...and I dont hate immigrants...I am not frustrated...I am not bitter...But I cant make that donation because I am poor. I am unemployed. My dreams of the job I wanted---Network Administrator--was crushed on 911. The stock on technology burst and there were massive layoffs. It just wasn't the time I suppose. So I still had my hope...Not bitterness and Hillary puts winds underneath the wings of my hope. Hillary 08'

[Aloha Spirit]

50. I will support her IF she swings the nomination.

I'm on the same page as you.
The issues are supreme in this election.
I just happen to think Obama is more likely to accomplish his campaign promises.
Either way, the Democrats will be taking their platform to the White House!

[EFerrari]

57. Yeah, she'll bring back jobs to America the way she created jobs in NY.

[Aloha Spirit]

64. She's tried to stimulate job growth in technology and research in NY...

I trust she will continue to do so in the White House.
Many things went wrong in this country and, especially in the state of New York, since Clinton's 2000 promise to create 200,000 jobs.
It would be fallacious to hold her accountable for them.

[EFerrari]

67. Excuses. Leaders don't make excuses. n/t

[Olney Blue]

108. I truly hope things get better for you, Liberal.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[LiberalZrule]

112. Thank you

and they will because I have hope not bitterness.

[SwampG8r]

144. man how many times you gonna say bitter?

i was gonna count the number in your post
a lot of emphasis on that word

[sniffa]

170. Not any more - he was re-banned

He'll be back though.

[Adelante]

48. There are some very nice Clinton supporters here

I think part of the problem has been that people who support DU as a place for Democrats, no matter which candidate they also support, were swamped at times with people who came here strictly for their one candidate's sake. Some of those settled in and became solid DUers; others made hell out of the place. So it's been difficult. There is no question, however, that Obama supporters outnumber Clinton supporters here at this time. If you don't like to be in a minority, or you don't want Clinton to be criticized, you wouldn't be happy. If you use your Ignore function selectively you can end up with a site that's mostly the nice Clinton supporters and the nice Obama supporters and it will be great for you. In any case, we're almost at the end of it and DU will rally behind the nominee.

[BootinUp]

55. replace selectively with liberally and I agree, lol.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. yes indeed

[LWolf]

54. She has some supporters.

I support neither, and can sometimes be found siding with HRC supporters at this point in time, simply to do my part to balance the board.

Not all the HRC supporters are rabid dlcers; she has some really reasonable supporters too.

Not all Obama supporters are groupie-like fans, either; he has some thoughtful supporters as well.

Really, GDP is more about ganging up on the opposition, and/or rounds of gang celebrations, than it is about reasonable primary discussions. Not that there aren't some reasonable discussions; they just get buried.

[Raejeanowl]

74. Thanks

You have a good perspective on what goes on here in GD-P; doesn't really resemble DU at all, just gang warfare with carpetbaggers.

[stillcool]

56. she had a lot of support...

more than that I even liked her and trusted her. Funny what running a nasty campaign will do to you. I am so glad this Primary Season has dragged on. I would have had no idea what a bunch of tools the Clinton's are.

[Lucky 13]

65. It requires too much delusion for me.

[mtnsnake]

68. She has lots of supporters except for here on DU which is Bizarro World

and doesn't reflect in the least real mainstream Democratic America. In the real world, Hillary is kicking ass, has regained the momentum, and is cruising on her way to victory. Here in La La Land, most people are stuck in a time warp of anti-Clinton rightwing sentiment.

[Raejeanowl]

70. Some of Us Lie Very Low Here

Just weary of getting harassed and browbeaten, like it elevates Obama somehow for Dems to engage in ad-hom attacks against Dems or villify someone who is still a Dem candidate (both against DU rules, by the way).

Obama supporters are a super-majority at DU, all out of proportion to the popular vote, much less, the general population. Some of them insist upon Hillary supporters conceding, also, at pains of trying to make them feel completely unwelcome here.

[NFL80]

71. Sorry, but I believe in the secret ballot

and this is the last place I would proclaim my choice, for fear of being flamed by one side or the other with all the vitriol that accompanies it.

I come here to read and learn, but it seems that I have to filter through so much BS and juvenile tactics to get any information that is not spun like Charlotte's web.

It really is a shame that each side is totally blind to factual, credible and vetted information regarding issues that do not support their candidate.

[MethuenProgressive]

75. Hi Suzi. Most posts are anti-Hillary. Few are pro-Obama or pro-Clinton in gd-p.

The RW's HillHate propaganda machine has been a great success on DU.

[Cameron27]

77. I support Hillary, but

I don't post about it anymore because ugly attacks seem to have replaced honest disagreement around here. It's not worth trading insults when no one's changing anyone else's mind about anything.

[ruggerson]

81. That is why they're doing it

to shut you up. Your words are insights are very valued here. Don't let e-bullies censor you.

[Cameron27]

87. Thanks ruggerson,

you're probably right, and if what was said on this forum had any effect in real-time results, I might stick around and argue, but...

(I end up getting too angry and lose the ability to make a reasoned argument anyway :-))

[PinkTiger]

85. I do.

As does my family, all my friends, and everyone I know in my county, my region of the state, if they are Democrats. Even the McCain people are turning toward her. DU is not a microcosm of the Democratic Party -- at least not anymore. This place is becoming unrecognizable - it has been overtaken by Obama supporters, many of whom have never been involved in politics before.
I'm beginning to hate this place.

[mbperrin]

91. Yes, I do.

She has a 100% rating from the American Federation of Teachers, my union.

There's more, but that is enough by itself for me.

[saltpoint]

95. If she is our nominee, I'll vote for the ticket.

But I'm less enthusastic about her candidacy than I've been for any Democrat in ages.

I think she's run a truly pathetic campaign and does not deserve a spot on the ticket for November.

Indiana is still a toss-up, although there could be a Robert F. Kennedy 1968-type of primary victory possible for Sen. Obama.

Obama will carry North Carolina, held the same day your Indiana primary is held, and I think at that pointmore Hoosiers will have swung toward Obama than toward Clinton.

[JohnnyLib2]

100. I do.

:hi:

[Awsi Dooger]

101. Not my first choice, but I support her, and so does a significant percentage of DU

It's mathematical idiocy to pretend otherwise. The same posters who scream delegate math want to believe Hillary has only 5-10% support in a community of 117,000+, last time I checked. They seemingly have no idea they forfeit any threat of credibility or handicapping ability, when they're that far out of bounds. Like hitting a driver straight left on a 120 yard par 3.

It's chic and comfy to support Obama here. Posters feel a part of the in crowd, like they belong and will be pampered. Otherwise noncommittal or reluctant posters therefore climb aboard.

Why be alone when I can be a clone?

That may be a bit harsh, but check with psychologists and sociologists and I guarantee it plays a significant role. My dad was in the field for 40+ years and I've read countless books.

Likewise, admittedly I tend to be a contrarian, looking for the areas where public consensus is bizarre, faulty handicapping. I remember polling by Strategic Vision (R) throughout '06, when 80+% in every state thought the United States would suffer a homeland terrorist attack within 6 months. That was such deviation from true likelihood it was incompetent, but the public marched right along, with the percentage actually drifting upwards as November approached.

Obama strikes me as misplaced trust. I think he's less than we imagine, like shopping from a catalog and falling for a new product with glitzy description and overly flattering picture. Or going grocery shopping while hungry. We're desperate for someone with bare minimal competence behind a microphone and Obama reaps extraordinary benefit.

I prioritize long term and Hillary was far more impressive in the totality of debates. The '90s Clinton economy comes with the package and we're ignorantly content to downplay the significance.

[PBS Poll-435]

102. I do.

And I am not bitter about it.

[JoFerret]

104. I do

She is our best bet in the general election. Is our best hope to get things done from the WH. And represents the clear and competent change from the politics and abject incompetence of Bush Cheney et al.

Plenty on DU totally disagree and are happy to trash Hillary at every turn. I am not one of them.
Obama will also be a break from Bush et al. It just that he is not everyone's first candidate to effect meaningful change of direction and not seen by some as most likely to win in November.

[susankh4]

105. Yes we do!

Come on over to her group! We'd love to have you!!

[kiranon]

114. Not my first choice (Edwards was), but yes.

[Tennessee Gal]

115. I do.

[Left coast liberal]

116. I do support Hillary but not for President 2008

She is a smart capable woman and has a strong platform as Senator of NY. She could continue to be very effective there.

Obama has captured the country's imagination, spirit and hope for change.

Again, I support Hillary. Just not for president - this time around.

[nichomachus]

117. The big problem is. . .

The people who claim to be Hillary supporters are not really supporting her. They're dragging her down.

I can't remember seeing very many positive things about Hillary posted by her "supporters." I see attacks on Obama -- personal attacks not issue attacks. I see innuendo about Obama. I see shrill name calling. And I see flimsy excuses for some of Hillary's gaffes. But I've not seen very much in the way of positive statements about her platform or what she offers -- which, by the way, is what I came here looking for.

After Dennis and Edwards were knocked out I had no one favorite candidate. I was wavering between Hillary and Obama -- who I didn't know much about up front. What I've seen, however, has been much more positive for Obama than Hillary. And her supporters are a big part of the problem.

I'm not saying there aren't some out-of-control anti-Hillary people. But I tend to ignore them. If I ignore the out-of-control Hillary people, there aren't a lot of her supporters left.

[AZBlue]

118. A few - and many of those are paid by her.

[IndianaJones]

120. I do. nt.

[Lucinda]

121. Many of the Hillary supporters have left due to the nastiness.

There are a few of us still around though.
:hi:

[rug]

122. I do. My wife is from Carthage, Indiana and she's voting for Hillary April 22.

Her mother and stepfather are voting for her from Indianapolis.

[shayes51]

123. yes

[SoCalDem]

124. Most of the people who harass me, seem to

:hi:

I've been here since '01, and until a few weeks ago, had NEVER used "ignore"..

To answer your question..yes..there are a few die-hards, who for whatever reason, feel the need to report every poll that shows her ahead, and who revel in bad-mouthing Obama..

These same people seem oblivious to that fact that the ONLY "chance" she has (and HAS had since Wisconsin) is the Tonya harding option..blowing up the convention/party..

She cannot mathematically, win, and she knows it.

Technically, neither can Obama, but his primary season record is a lot better than hers, as is his fund-raising, and enthusiasm-quotient..

As her campaign alienates and LOSES voters (see SC), his campaign energizes and brings new people into the fold..

At this point, her Huckabee impression is wearing thin on many people, because her impression is not a gentle, friendly one.. At least Huckleberry Huckabee did not set out to destroy McCain..

Since she realized that people just weren't that "into her", she's made it her life's goal to destroy HIM..even if it means Mccain wins..

She's run a horrible campaign, leaving a trail of unpaid bills...bills owed to many small entrepreneurs all over the "heartland", but she's hoarding what cash she still has because she needs it to run negative ads against the one person on our side who CAN win.. :eyes:

I know she's got to be sorely disappointed, since she's planned this for seven & a half years, but she's turned every warm feeling for her, into a real "bitter" ache in our brains..

Every day she reminds me more and more of a jilted lover who drives past the ex's house, refusing to believe that he actually married HER....and if she could only catch him outside for one more conversation, she could win him back.. We've all seen that movie..and it never ends well for the stalker..

[musicblind]

125. I support Hillary! So please don't leave! We need more positive Hillary posters here :)

I support Hillary, I think she's awesome. But I don't like posts that bash Obama (or posts that bash Hillary for that matter). So please stick around and post something positive about our girl! Either way, whoever wins, we'll all be back together at the end of this primary season to support the nominee. (I hope) I know I will!

[rodeodance]

126. I proudly suppor HRC as our next Madam President

[Maven]

128. I do.

[tandem5]

129. I do - I just don't post on this silly forum anymore

[crankychatter]

133. What list are you looking at?

?

[usrbs]

138. I do, but stay away from GDP mostly because of the vitorol. n/t

[TLM]

140. No Hillary supporters here....

It's just Obama supporters and Obama haters... nobody has posted anything pro-hillary for awhile now.

[Marrah_G]

171. Bigtree posts many positive Hillary threads

Many of the Hillary supporters have simply stopped trying to post anything positive here because it is immediately jumped on, shit on and they are ganged up on. There are positive posts in the Hillary forum and on some pro-Hillary boards where people feel safe to speak their minds without being called the many nasty things they have been called right here on this thread.

[Jennos20]

143. I do :)

Very Proudly! Go Hillary!

[VotesForWomen]

145. here. nt

[AJH032]

148. proud Hillary supporter here

:hi:

[ileus]

150. Hillary 50 states in 2008....too bad you won't give her a chance. nt

[Raffi Ella]

152. Yes! I do, a lot do.

But we're often shouted down and drowned out by Obama fans here - Don't let them fool you though, Hillary WILL be Our Nominee! I have no doubt about that :party: :dem: :toast:

[City Lights]

156. I sure as hell don't. eom

[Seabiscuit]

158. Yes, but the numbers are shrinking. Not for lack of support but because this forum has turned to

shit with a massive number of freepers invading it, pretending to be Obama supporters, and insulting everyone's intelligence. Then there's an even more massive number of Obamanoids, both new to DU and some who have been around for a while who have genuinely become drunk on the Obamamania kool-aid, and take their cue from the freepers, and imitate their behavior. Beyond that there are some fairly civilized Obama supporters, but they're harder and harder to locate.

So one by one, the Hillary supporters are abandoning DU for more civilized websites.

Then, of course there are the admins and the mods who have allowed it all to happen. Not surprising any more as by now it's quite apparent whose side they're on.

This used to be called General Discussion: Politics. When it became General Discussion: Primaries it went straight down the tubes.

DU used to be a nice place, and a good place to come to learn a thing or two about what's going on in the world. And it may be again once this election cycle is over.

Until then, you may be happier elsewhere.

[Mezzo]

159. I do! The Obamamaniacs have a plurality here, but don't worry...

half the country supports her, and MORE DEMOCRATS. That, of course, being the important part.

Check out MyDD. It's the most sane place I've seen in a while. :hi:

[Marrah_G]

160. yes we do.

Most of us are no longer very vocal since our voices tend to be drowned out rather quickly. The board majority favors Obama.

[Rockholm]

162. Yes.

[Perry Logan]

165. Clintophobia is a compulsive disorder. So you hear a disproportionate amount from its sufferers.

The Clinton-bashers have practically destroyed this forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5120659

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4779500&mesg_id=4779500

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849238&mesg_id=4849238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4922044&mesg_id=4922044

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4942967&mesg_id=4942967

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4964704&mesg_id=4964704

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965088

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965227

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4982708&mesg_id=4982708

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5036756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5065868&mesg_id=5065868

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5156352&mesg_id=5156412

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5165104&mesg_id=5165104

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5180133&mesg_id=5181094

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5195072&mesg_id=5195072

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5204441&mesg_id=5204441

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5214352&mesg_id=5214352

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5226313&mesg_id=5226313

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5235825&mesg_id=5235825

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5304883

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5349292&mesg_id=5349292

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5392998&mesg_id=5392998

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5431535&mesg_id=5431535

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5431076&mesg_id=5431076

[NoPasaran]

169. I do!

Wholeheartedly and without reservation.