Obama is going to take a Hit Over this Comment

[MadBadger]

This will hurt him...how much? I dont know. But what Rasmussen is showing, and what I hear on the Sunday shows, this will hurt Obama with some voters and in PA. Is it right? No. What Obama said was true. But I think a lot of people have only heard the one part of the story and havent heard his explanations in Indiana or his apology for using the wrong words. As I have stated before, and as Shrum and even Carville said on MTP, Obama will have a chance to explain himself during the Debate in front of a large national audience. And I am conident that in the end, this thing will be net neutral if not positive.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. If Wright didn't sink him, this won't. Sorry, but the Wright bullshit had far more potential than

this.

[lisa58]

2. He's doing a cnn thing tonight about faith in politics...

...perfect setting to set it straight.

[fascisthunter]

3. wuh.... what's up with all this "concern" about Stating the Truth this Morning?

Why do people fall for this crap? If anything I think the man scored HUGE points with average Americans. Sorry, I do not share your concern or others this morning. It's silly.

[MadBadger]

5. Sure he stated the truth and as a liberal I agree, but as long as the media treats it as a mistake..

then this will hurt him.

[fascisthunter]

No It Won't...

[izzie]

9. I think they are trying anything. Some thing may stick.

Looks to me like Clinton is ready to take the party down unless she gets it.

[fascisthunter]

18. It's Been Her Agenda Since SHe Couldn't Win, I Think

The DLC does not want to be replaced by a new "leadership". One that does not share it's interests.... so she and the DLC itself are focused on ruining his chances in the General. That's what I have been thinking for a while now.

[izzie]

31. So much money in DC that the corruption is the mover

I think we have been here before. My history tells me the 1880's and 1920's were this corrupt.

[fascisthunter]

32. true.... at least that's what I have learned as well (nt)

[KittyWampus]

4. He did a shitty job confronting this. He SHOULD have loudly asked Hillary if she knew what a wedge

issue is and how GOP uses them.

He needed to say something loudly that would've gotten airplay over the weekend.

He FAILED.

[MadBadger]

7. I think he did a fantastic job on friday night in Indiana. The problem was it was friday night.

[KittyWampus]

24. that was a Town Hall Meeting and totally inadequate. He needed a conference call to reporters

with a demand Clinton answer if she knew what a wedge issue is.

[RazBerryBeret]

6. I'm hopeful ..

I don't think this is too big a deal, much like the Wright thing--those people who are looking for a reason NOT to vote for him will use this, but they weren't going to vote for him anyway. And Casey is supposed to make a statement today, he is a "God-loving, gun-toting, much loved son of Pennsylvania", so hopefully that will help.

unfortunately it was successful in taking the limelight off the BC Bosnia lies for the weekend...we can all hope that gets more air time next week

[vi5]

8. It will hurt him with people who would never vote Dem anyway..

...honestly that is the situation with all of these so called "gaffes". It will make people who would under no circumstances ever vote for any Dem pissed off, and it will piss off people who like to say they're independent but yet ALWAYS vote for republicans no matter what (my father in law being the prime example of this). But it will have no impact on people who would normally vote democratic.

Which is why it's even more sad and pathetic that Clinton and her camp keep throwing their lot in with people like this. Same as with the Wright scandal. I'm not saying she had to defend Obama but the fact that she is taking the same exact approach as McCain and company in dealing with this and responding to it sickens me.

[Mz Pip]

10. Somehow I think

Hillary's "I'm Not Bitter" pins will backlash for her. It's mocking people who really have a reason to be bitter and that's a whole lot of us.

She thinks she's so clever. I think it makes her look even more obnoxious.

[MadBadger]

13. I dont think the MSM will cover it.

[Mz Pip]

20. That's the unfortunate piece

to this. Clinton will continue to play Pollyanna until the media calls her on it. We shall see.

[MadBadger]

25. I know for a fact that the faux outrage will be on full display on Morning Joe on Monday

That will set the pace for the day there with Mika continuing the faux outrage.

[ruggerson]

11. It's a stupid controversy

and he's trying to say something interesting and thought provoking.

However, in American politics, substance and nuance doesn't necessarily win the day strategically.

[MadBadger]

16. I know, this whole thing makes me wanto scream. Sometimes the truth doesnt pay in politics.

[TSGracchus]

12. Net negative

Not only will it be a net negative, but it will significantly hurt in the general if Obama is the nominee. Hillar can't win the general under any circumstances. Time to look for a dark horse? How about Jim Webb?

[cali]

34. ridiculous. Obama has demonstrated that he knows how to

effectively deal with the negative crap. And as for the bigwigs installing another nominee after millions of votesp- fuck that.

[Eurobabe]

14. Don't worry, the week is long, Clinton will step into some shit before then

you watch. With the 24/7 news cycle, the ADD media will find something else to latch onto by tomorrow. :eyes:

[backscatter712]

15. Obama's dealt with this before.

He successfully fought off the Rev. Wright circus, he came back from similar small gaffes.

As much as the media and the Clinton camp might want this to sink him, it won't. At best, it might cost him a couple points in the polls, but I, and just about everyone else, will consider gaffes like Clinton's Bosnia sniper lies to be far worse.

[dbonds]

17. I don't see a hit, I see a backlash at those trying to twist it.

The context and meaning of what he said was clear and good. But Hillary and McCain are altering the meaning and most people see through that and put the negative on them for trying to twist something they have been waiting to hear.

[Adelante]

19. It's two weeks ahead

If it came a week later I would worry. But he can and will handle this. He has time on his side.

[The River]

21. He Will Clarify The Message

on upcoming interviews or during the debate.
By the time he's finished the entire state of PA
will be saying "Hell yes we're bitter with DC politicians".

[Saturday]

22. One thing that might hurt him....

On the Sunday shows this AM I heard his bitter comment was made at a closed door fund raiser. No MSM was there. What he says in private and what he says in public is different. ie - His surrogate in Canada saying he didn't mean it, it was just political talk etc. These things are beginning to pile up. If they are all put together he has a problem.

[stillcool]

23. I would really like to know...

how many voters watch the television set to ascertain 'truth', or to form their opinions. If the media accurately reflects the mood of our society how do you explain shit like this?


In any case, it doesn't matter. If one believes that the people of this country are swayed in their choice of candidate by the use of the word 'bitter', more than war, torture, joblessness, and homelessness...then who cares? 300 Million people can't do a god damn thing about their government because the media says that the people of Pennsylvania are upset?

[Keefer]

26. He may have been right...

but "bitter" was a poor choice of words, IMO.

[MadBadger]

27. People dont have as much a problem with the word bitter as they do with "cling"

As long as he says, "They are bitter, they are ANGRY," Hes fine with the argument.

[BumRushDaShow]

28. Just STOP!!!! Time for the FIGHTING DEMOCRATS. He was supposed to take a hit from

1.) Snubgate
2.) Rezkogate
3.) Wrightgate
4.) Hutgate (where his Kenyan grandmother was supposedly living in a hut :eyes:)
4.) "Typical white woman"-gate (when describing his Kansas grandmother)

and on and on...

I wish that Obama supporters, after 4 months of watching this man's amazing campaign, where the man has a 160 delegate lead, a 700,000 popular vote lead, and double the states won (30 vs 15, with only 10 to go), would try not to internalize the propaganda from the right wing Clinton campaign machine and repuke talking heads. It is done EXACTLY for the purpose of demoralizing.

Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary

propaganda

Main Entry:
pro·pa·gan·da Listen to the pronunciation of propaganda
Pronunciation:
\ˌprä-pə-ˈgan-də, ˌprō-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
New Latin, from Congregatio de propaganda fide Congregation for propagating the faith, organization established by Pope Gregory XV died 1623
Date:
1718

1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

Most people are not sitting in front of an internet political forum for hours nor are they watching news and political shows on network or cable all day. They may tune in to some national or local news and hear the soundbites of what is going on in the campaign, but they really don't give a damn when they have income taxes to do, kids to take care of over the weekend (especially for teens since this is prom season), garden cleanup if the weather permits it, and so on. This political thing is a hobby (or perhaps an occupation for those actually involved in the nuts and bolts of a party) to those of us who frequent here. The overblown discussion of issues here is not reflective of the society at large although people who post here can often give 1st hand sentiments about those who they encounter.

People have generally made up their minds who they will vote for and most have ALREADY VOTED. That 10 - 15 % of undecided might follow it a little closer or they won't even bother to come out. Hell, the average primary turnout tends to be in the 10 - 20% range if that, which is why earlier states boasting 30 - 40% turnouts made the news. But even with that, only 40% of registered people coming out is STILL sad. The other 60% really truly don't give a damn and don't feel it's worth their time to exercise their right to vote.

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. thank you for bringing some perspective back to the discussion....

sometimes I have to wonder about the "supporters" of Sen. Obama. These "sky is falling" threads really irritate the hell out of me.

[BumRushDaShow]

35. I was talking to my mother last night

and she is 78-year old news and political junkie (she was political science major). And her take, after living through 12 Presidents, is that this is nothing but silly "he said, she said" and that most people aren't paying attention to this sort of nonsense. They know that politicians are politicians and this is all par for the course.

I say since most people don't even bother to vote, this is why we are in the state of disarray that we are in! Imagine if this country had a 60% or even 80% turnout of voters? The corporatists try everything in their power not to make it so.

[tekisui]

30. Naw, we got more than a week till PA. Hillary has some more misspeak in her.

[thewiseguy]

33. What is Rasmussen showing?

[raffaello]

36. Obama lied about jobs in PA during the Clinton years