jgraz
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:11 PM
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If Obama had said people *weren't* bitter, Hillary would be attacking him for it now |
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Does anyone really doubt that? When's the last time Hillary Clinton put forward a substantive, positive argument for why she should be president -- without attacking Obama?
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:12 PM
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1. Hillary has is just trying her best to knee cap Obama |
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the party leaders need to put an end to her destructive self serving campaign
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jgraz
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:13 PM
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2. Have to disagree. It's not destructive and self-serving, it's just destructive. |
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Sun Apr-13-08 02:46 PM
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I'm not an absolutist by nature, though I guess it is something like 90% of me for Obama at this point, I still consider myself an Edwards-ian Deanocrat.
:hi:
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:14 PM
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3. I don't think "bitter" will hurt him |
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but when he seemed to claim that only "the bitter folk" would have guns or religion, that's a claim that could cost a few votes.
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:17 PM
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4. I don't either. In fact, I think "Bitter" will drop out after this next primary. |
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:17 PM
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5. Well, before she poopoo'ed all over 'hope' |
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Now she is saying people are hopeful. I don't think she gets the fact that hope is only a driving force because people are bitter/frustrated.
Can we now say she has flipflopped on the hope issue?
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:19 PM
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7. Not "flip-flopped", just "flopped" |
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:19 PM
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6. Oh yeah, what was she saying a few weeks ago about idealism? "The sky will open |
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and all will be well . . . " or something like that?
So what is he Hillary, a pie in the sky idealist, or a cynical snob?
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:44 PM
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If he'd said people were optimistic, Hillary would have attacked. If he'd said times are tough, Hillary would have attacked. If he'd said the sky is blue, Hillary would have attacked. It really doesn't matter. But through all this, Hillary has defined herself not in terms of what she's for but what she's against. And people don't vote for that. Hillary has lost herself, lost her message and lost her campaign. She's a loser.
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:46 PM
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9. Did she ever put out an argument for her candidacy? |
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I must have missed that news cycle.
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Sun Apr-13-08 01:54 PM
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10. I can't believe how the Sunday gabfests ate this '...gate' up |
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Anything for a faux scandal. Could tell they really didn't want to talk about 'snipergate' for another week. And the 'Bill Clinton is screwing things up for his wife' conversation was stale as well.
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Sun Apr-13-08 02:08 PM
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11. Yes I doubt she would say what Obama said. |
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How can she say what Obama said about being bitter? Obam's bitter pill rest on the argumnet that people are bitter over "empty promises" by candidates in the last 25 years, and this rest on Bush and the Clinton in the last 25 years.
For instance Bill Clinton promised health care when he campaigned for the Presidency. It was a big campaign issue back then. From town meetings to Ted Koppel news events resting solely on Clinton, the health care industry and a questions and answers event. And after no change in health care people felt bitter and started voting (clinging) on wedge issues instead of a candidate they don't trust.
But Hillary is sayng vote for me because you can trust me. Oh really Hillary? Go figure. :shrug:
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Sun Apr-13-08 02:11 PM
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12. It would go along with the rest of the arguments that the media has used against him. |
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Too bitter, not bitter enough, too black, not black enough, too attached to Islam, too attached to his Christianity, too Reagan-ish, too liberal, etc.
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Hillary is disgusting with her GOP talking points.
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