Obama Adviser Calls Naomi Klein a "Whackjob"

[Joanne98]

Paul Bucha, a public figure and foreign policy adviser to a presidential candidate and Senator from Illinois, called author Naomi Klein a "whackjob" during a recent tour of Pennsylvania college campuses. As he discussed the situation in Iraq this key adviser mentioned several facts about Iraq and its invasion and occupation which resonated with anyone who has read Klein's book "The Shock Doctrine." He mentioned how we are attempting to remake Iraq in our own image along with other references which match Klein's theory.

I asked him if this meant he advocated the position Naomi Klein took and whether the Senator also did. He denied that which seemed strange since he'd just said some of the very same things she wrote in her book. After the event he told me that Naomi Klein is a "whackjob."
http://pennsylvaniaprogressive.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/04/obama-adviser-c.html

This is not helpful!!!!!!!!

[dkf]

1. Why do I care about this?

[JoFerret]

20. Because you are an intelligent

thoughtful and caring human being who believes in fairness and civil discourse. (?)

[dkf]

23. Yeah, but I don't hold whoever you support responsible for what you say.

And Obama shouldn't be held responsible for what I say.

Unless Obama specifically told this guy to call Naomi Klein a whackjob, the guy is an independent operator.

[Radical Activist]

53. considering this is second had acount of a private conversation not recorded

and I don't see evidence that this person has a strong connection or influence over Obama, I'd say an intelligent person would take it with a grain of salt.
This "an Obama adviser..." stuff is getting old. Adviser seems like an easy title to get even if its bestowed by the media.

[grasswire]

2. what?????????????????

Here's the new "gate." What an ignorant statement.

[Eurobabe]

15. KLEINGATE!! Bittergate is so last 24 hour newscycle...

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Did you expect him to embrace the openly leftist Klein?

I mean I would of course, she is one fine person in my book, but the Obama campaign is running for president of one of the most retarded rightwing nations on the planet. Embracing known leftists is not something they are likely to do.

[mac2]

4. Leftists?

How about "truth tellers"? 911 was a false flag and the government lied about it just like WMD.

Few in Congress question the "King" and his plan for Empire (PNAC) since most are scared or part of it.

Both Obama and Clinton are "moderates" or as we say in real Democratic land...globalists for PNAC.

You can't enforce human rights, enviornment, on countries who already have standing with the WTO unless you throw them out. Do you think Clinton or Obama plan on doing that?

[Warren Stupidity]

7. I'm fine with all that and I'm fine with the Obama campaign

keeping its distance. I am also prepared to be bitterly disappointed in the direction taken once the Obama administration takes power. It remains a simple fact that Obama, or just about any Democrat, is better than another four years of mcsame.

[mac2]

9. The choice of candidates is on purpose/for an agenda not what the

we want or need.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. So you will be sitting out this election?

[Blondbostonian]

11. Take your 911 crap to the conspiracy board.

I worked at WTC7 for three years including 9-11.

I can't help that idiots without critical thinking skills can't undrstand science and believe theology professors over the ASCE and every engineering school in the world.

New World Order losers....Go listen to more Alex Jones. It's not needed or wanted here.

[Eurobabe]

17. Actually we encourage all kinds of free thinking

the board you might be looking for is called freerepublic.com if you aren't into free speech. :hi:

[Blondbostonian]

35. 911 conspiracy theories are for idiots.

If you want to believe that nonsense, fine. I actually have some first hand experience along with talking to friends in the FDNY and the critical thinking skills to understand the NIST report and the different peer reviewed studies.

There's a reason why KOS doesn't allow that crap there. It's an issue the Republicans would love to expose and it's fcuking complete nonsense. GO to a Ron Paul board if you want to talk that nonsense.

[msallied]

36. If you actually have that knowledge

then you wouldn't call the conspiracy theories for idiots. What it shows is that you have only thought critically about those opinions which assuage your preconceived need to remain in denial.

[Eurobabe]

60. You need to watch your mouth,

take your fucking bad attitude with you. Be gone!

[mac2]

27. And yet you are here to tell us about your surviving.

Did they tell you not to work on that day? 70% of NYers don't believe the story about a jet exploding a building or bringing it down for a huge insurance payoff. It's not just Alex Jones.

New World Losers? Yet...you are.

[Blondbostonian]

37. More poll bullshit

YOu're lying. Period.

Post the 70% from your survey.

I worked at WTC7. I love you idiots want to tell me how my building was wired for controlled demolition while we were all working 80-90 hours a week with three floors having coverage 24/7 as trading floors and were packed in together like sardine from after the merger with Smith Barney.

[mac2]

50. You asked for a poll result....

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

This is one of many. Google for the rest.

Apparently you weren't there on 911 where you?

[mac2]

29. Post of only 82 doesn't seem to know about DU

Might be from Roves office of propaganda and hate, eh?

[Eurobabe]

61. Yeah, methinks. Ignore is your best friend.

[2rth2pwr]

24. If 9/11 was an inside job, why should we be going after Al Queda in Afghanistan?

[mac2]

28. Kill the people in Afghanistan (rich with gas and oil pipelines) just to get one man?

What a lie. Why did the Brits, French, and Russians want it before us? Ya...follow the money.

[2rth2pwr]

31. Obama and Clinton mean blood for oil?

[Blondbostonian]

39. More of the same debunked shit over and over again

you would think after 7 years these conspiracy idiots would get new material.

No planers are my favorite. That and the thermite/mini nukes/pod crowd. Always good for a great laugh.

[mac2]

44. It's not new material because after seven years we are still

at a war which is a lie. It has ruined our country and freedoms. Our Constitution and democracy in shambles.

Those who failed us on 911 never held accountable or those who lied never found guilty of perjury. Would you like your child or spouce to die for a lie? Guess you are smug when you aren't effected.

You seem to believe in "change of face law". Once they leave the TV screen we should all forget what happened. Murder and genocide have no time limit.

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[mac2]

63. Or answer questions from the victims of 911

Obama said, he won't investigate 911. Why is that?

http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html

[Leopolds Ghost]

62. Perhaps you should direct your anger on asking why we haven't bothered to capture Bin Laden

And deliberately allowed an Al Quaeda caravan including Zarqawi, the man
who started the Iraqi insurgency, to escape a US-encircled garrison and
enter government-controlled Iraqi territory shortly before the outbreak
of hostilities after Bush thrice refused generals' requests to bombard
the camp, as Kerry pointed out Bush officials said "Al Qaeda's
presence in Iraq is a crucial justification for regime change...
let them through across the (US guarded) front lines into Baghdad...
let's see what happens"

No conspiracy theory... what I am getting sick of is complacency theorists
such as yourself who get angry at some things but not others :shrug:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

33. NEIL BUSH DID 9/11

JEB BUSH CAUSED THE TSUNAMI. LARRY KING CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING.

[mac2]

45. Don't waste our time.

Our democracy is in shambles.

[FrenchieCat]

5. You are probably correct that no name calling is "helpful".......

but there are a lot of advisors out there, and I don't believe that what this one said "after and event" to an individual should be considered news ...nor do I think that Obama has to be forced to denounce and renounce every single thing ever said by others about others to others.

That's the problem with our primaries this year, Molehill Politics. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21231

Mohill Politics is dangerous to our Democracy.

The fact that you are posting this, gives us an illustration as to what is wrong with us today; we care more about degrees of separation as to what was said to whom, as though these folks are of upmost importance as celebrities. Naomi Klein is not running for any office, and neither is Paul Buccha......last I checked. If Buccha and Klein are saying essentially the same thing, then that's great and possibly reportable from the angle of whomever chooses to report on it. However, for the writer to feel compeled to take the story beyond its subject makes him part of the problem that we currently face in this country, when we get off subject and dwell in the area of the personal.

So it is possible that Buccha ought to have known better, but it doesn't absolve this guy in his own complicity in reporting on the stuff that regular folks care very little about, because it doesn't help them, nor does it enhance the conversation. In otherwords three wrongs (including you to a degree) doesn't make a right.

[90-percent]

6. Naomi

A forefront candidate discussion of Naomi's "Wackjob" journalistic efforts could get the entire White House Staff Impeached.....finally!

So, what makes Naomi such a wack job, anyway?

-90% jimmy

[mac2]

8. They won't do impeachment or investigate 911 properly

Why is that? Too "liberal" all crooks and murderers go free?

[Hepburn]

10. Where's Bin Laden???

[mac2]

26. Dead

or drinking Coke on an off-shore British Island close to his money like the rest of the Neo Con crooks and liars.

[Blondbostonian]

14. Go smoke a joint and watch Loose Change again

[msallied]

38. What are you afraid of, exactly?

And what kind of "critical thinker" will believe a government that investigates itself?

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[mac2]

48. Right after 911 engineers and construction people wanted

to see the blue prints of the WTC buildings. They had a hearing on CSPAN about being denied them. The government claimed they were top secret and refused to release them. Why is that?

Various professional engineers and construction experts (Associations, etc) wanted to know so they would not repeat the same mistakes in the future. They also did not understand why it happened and needed to see the blueprints. This included the NY Fire Department investigators, etc.

The secrecy and refusal to release documents, blue prints, testimony, etc. was very suspicious by FEMA. You know that agency with "you did a good job Brownie"? FEMA happened to be in NY City the night before 911.

[cliffordu]

13. And on the link you have there,

that "blogga" says that Obama supporter tried to shut down her website......


She seems a little paranoid........


and maybe a little like an Obama Hater/Hillary Fan.

Do you think she started crapping on Obama after the sniper fire, or just before??

PTSD will make you hallucinate, ya know....


:patriot:

[Joanne98]

16. I'm supporting Obama. Someone needs give an answer.

if she's lying , she's lying. Just have him say so!

[RememberWellstone]

70. Just keep your mouth shut, follow Obama

You cannot ask questions or believe what he says or what he says wrong...just keep moving along, this is the hope and change.:eyes:

[burythehatchet]

18. I too am highly concerned that an anti-Obama bloger tells us that an advisor told him

something. Yes, I just peed a little, which happens when my concern overwhelms me.

[cliffordu]

19. ROLF.... I mean ROFL!!!

Nice one!!!!

:patriot:

[Radical Activist]

55. In private where no one else heard it

and there's no link to what his relationship to Obama is. Smells like bullshit.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

58. Hillary is 44 called Michelle Obama a blow job queen

and Donna Brazille a brillo head.

[burythehatchet]

64. That is a hate site, like so many other republican hate sites.

[rodeodance]

21. People on this board were praising Klien a few months ago. Now she is under the bus!

[PBS Poll-435]

25. I think all those people under the bus

Are starting to slow the campaign down. Not very aerodynamic.

[QC]

43. How do they manage to stuff everyone under there? n/t

[mac2]

30. Nope not mine.

[baldguy]

22. This Paul Bucha?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_William_Bucha

[Eric J in MN]

51. That link doesn't say anything about an official or even unofficial role in the Obama campaign. NT

NT

[nsd]

57. Yes it does.

Read the second line: "He is currently a foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign."

[Eric J in MN]

69. That could mean anything.

If he spoke on the phone with Obama about foreign policy once, he could be called a foreign policy advisor to the campaign.

[OzarkDem]

32. Sounds like a campaign that is losing

They are really frightened of the upcoming string of Clinton victories and have become bitter, angry people.

Given that many of Obama's staffers aren't even Democrats makes it even worse.

[butterfly77]

34. So I guess Obama is suppose to apologize...

I am so sick of all of this damn apologizing for others comments we should call this the "Apology campaign or "Apology tour" we the people already know what the issues are but Obama seems to have to apologize for his every word and they(the media) change the criteria for him..

Hillary apologizes when she wants and I never hear these talking say that she will have to explain some more about an issue but, the media tells us what happened with some issue on the campaign trail and they say "Obama will have to apologize or explain this some more" He has already given you his explanation on these issues but they want more, more, more...

[crankychatter]

42. Like HRC is opposed to neoliberalism - are you Campaigning for Nader?

one might surmise so

so which Neoliberal Centrist do YOU despise the least?

[mmonk]

46. Thank you for this information.

As an Obama supporter and also a Naomi Klein supporter, I would like to address him. I want to work on this immediately.

[mmonk]

47. I should add that I will approach an Obama campaign advisor this week.

[Eric J in MN]

49. I'd be more upset if there were a time-or-place....

...where Paul Bucha said it.

Or evidence that he has a bigger position in the Obama campaign than thousands of other people who discuss policy with Obama.

[Barack_America]

52. Paul Bucha is awesome!

I heard him speak. He was great. Very passionate, down-to-earth and approachable. He does, however, speak for himself and not Barack.

Thus, this comment does not upset me.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

59. love your bitter Pennsylvania's logo

wish folks would post their logos over at the Obama Daily News, so
we can collect them.

[Marie26]

67. But he's Obama's foreign policy adviser?

Looking at his biography on Wikipedia, I don't see any experience in foreign policy. He's a Vietnam war vet who won the Congressional Medal of Honor in 1968, and now heads that organization. And... that's it. Unless I'm missing something, he hasn't served in past Administrations, worked in the State Dept., become a PhD in foreign affairs, etc. I'm not exactly sure what qualifies him to be a foreign policy adviser, except that he adds some military cred to Obama's campaign.

[aaroh]

54. Unreliable source

[olkaz]

65. Uh yeah, I'm not taking his word for it.

Maybe I should make a blog post and make a ridiculous claim, too.

[Marie26]

66. Great

Obama's team has basically convinced me that he's a believer in the neoliberal policies that Klein exposes in her book. So of course they're going to attack her.

[brindis_desala]

68. This blogger had an ax to grind. I'm surprised you would post this.

second hand hearsay is not helpful! I will have to consider your posts more critically.