How clever is Sen Clinton? I mean *really* clever?

[Smarmie Doofus]

I thought if nothing else she had political smarts... one might even be tempted to say a certain rare variety of 'animal cunning' where her electoral prospects are concerned.

But she seems to have ensured not only that she will not be nominated by the party for president this year but also that she will NEVER be nominated.

Now that's an accomplishment. Who would have been in a better position to 'pick-up-the-pieces' of an Obama general election defeat in NOV? She will be 64 in 2012. Reagan was nominated at 68 and McCain will be 72. Ms. Clinton's mother, last time I checked was still with us. Sen. Clinton will be a long time with us... staitistics suggest.

All it would have taken was a simple recognition of the inevitable: that Obama will be nominated... or will *probably* be nominated and the scaling back of the campaign rhetoric in the face of this fact. She could have continued the primary fight on a high-road basis and even allowed her name to be placed in nomination at Denver... in deference to the folks who voted for her and worked for her.

Instead she's still playing every angle, turning over every rock. Trial balooning every innuendo. This is going to go on til the convention?

It will make the party's task enormously difficult. This doesn't seem to matter to her...but wouldn't you think she'd *pretend* that it mattered? For her own future political viability? She must realize now that the preidency will NEVER happen for her now as a result of her battling this out to the bitter end wherein there is no reasonable hope for a nomination victory.

I did think that THAT mattered to her... even governed her entire worldview. Just when you think you've got someone figured out you realize you really don't.

So what do I fail to understand about her?

[NJmaverick]

1. She is as clever as bush jr. Both have the advantage one gets

when one doesn't have any ethical constraints.

[TahitiNut]

2. Maybe it's just a matter of looking at where that $109 million came from?

After all, that's quite a gravy train.

[bigtree]

3. that a little under half of the votes between her and Obama have been cast in Clinton's favor

Your view of her ultimate demise is myopic and is clearly influenced by your own bias in favor of her rival.

[Liberal Veteran]

6. But if you think about it, she was the person walking into this contest with the advantage.

She had everything going for her and she's losing.

How do you explain that away other than sheer incompetence.

[Bensthename]

9. It was her turn damn it.. Obama ruined it.. This was supposed be all about her..

[Smarmie Doofus]

27. She could have had *another* turn... if Obama were to fail in NOV.

Now it's out of the question for all time. She's burned her proverbial bridges.

[Smarmie Doofus]

8. Myopic, perhaps. Show me how, though.

Bias: I prefer Obama but was late in coming along. I don't have his picture on my wall, so to speak and won't ever.

So you think she's actually going to be nominated? How? And if she did manage it... what on earth good would such a nomination be?

[bigtree]

13. and now you wear your bias in favor of Obama on your sleeve

that's just precious.

[Liberal Veteran]

14. Why is preferring one candidate over the other this late in the game a bad thing?

Nothing is wrong with bias as long as it is based on reality and not wishful thinking.

Obama has proven his mettle in this campaign against odds that were pretty much stacked against him.

[truedelphi]

19. That does seem to be the writing on the wall.

He impresses people and especially people who think for themselves.

With me, he started out as a substitute for Kucinich, then Edwards. But he has become someone that I admire.

And the well known people that speak out on his behalf are people I also like.

Whereas every time an Ed Rendell pops up and spouts the spin for Hillary, I start to gag.

[Smarmie Doofus]

28. I favor Obama... OK. What's yer point?

Does that mean Clinton can't be behving shortsightedly by fighting this thing tooth and nail in a way that will preclude her from having a political future on the nat'l stage for the rest of her life.

[Liberal Veteran]

4. I think it has become abundantly clear that Hillary's political acumen is overrated.

Anyone who can turn a cakewalk towards coronation into a fight for one's political life is certainly not someone savvy enough to fix the mess Bush has left us.

[bigtree]

7. she's demonstrated enough 'acumen' to deny Obama the ability to win the nomination

. . . by votes cast alone. I've never seen that, in my lifetime.

[Liberal Veteran]

11. Obama didn't join this contest as the presumed frontrunner/nominee.

Clinton did. She had the entire machinery of the party behind her.

Pretending that they started this contest on equal terms is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

She had the upper hand and fumbled BADLY.

[bigtree]

17. yet, there she is

and, there he is

[Liberal Veteran]

20. Yep, there she is, losing and hanging in by her fingernails.

To a Johnny-come-lately junior senator.

It's very hypocritical to claim people are displaying bias for Obama when you fail to acknowledge how badly Hillary has run her campaign.

[bigtree]

22. Hers is the strongest campaign I've seen from a trailing candidate this late in the process

and, you fail to acknowledge that

[Liberal Veteran]

25. I acknowledge her tenaciousness, but the fact that she is trailing is the real story.

It is a testament to how poorly she has run this campaign that someone has pulled the rug out from under her when she had ALL the advantages going in.

[Smarmie Doofus]

29. Oddly, I never thought that she'd have a cakewalk... or even....

... be nominated. (IWR) But I thought she had the smarts to leave the field at the end of '08 with some viability left in tact.

That's gone now.

[Smarmie Doofus]

30. Delete ( dupe)

[Bensthename]

5. She will not be electable any where after this.. Not even in any of her "hometowns".

[bigtree]

10. She'll make a fantastic Governor of New York if she falls short in this contest.

[Bensthename]

12. I don't think she will pull enough dem votes there either after this..

[bigtree]

18. I realize that

you believe that

[Bensthename]

21. ummm, yaaah...

[Smarmie Doofus]

32. We have a brand new DEM gov that everyone is happy....

...with here.

What is she going to do with him?

[C_U_L8R]

15. She's made some real boneheaded moves

and knocked her campaign out with that stupid kitchen sink.

Oh and the lying. Of course the lying.
No one in their right mind votes for a liar like that.
That wasn't very smart at all.

[Nitrogenica]

16. If "clever" means "lying to win" then yes, she is clever.

She acts like Democrats think the same way Republicans do.

Stupid.

[Buzz Clik]

23. She's as clever as throwing a brick through someone's windshield.

She's the local toughs shaking down small store owners for "protection" money.

She cannot be ignored, but she is not clever.

[dkf]

24. All I know is I will do everything in my power to make sure she NEVER gets the nomination.

Ever.

She is a disgrace.

[Willo]

26. I think she has simply not adapted to the times.

I don't think there every was a different Clintons.
Money and power were all that was needed and they only thing they planned on.

The did not plan for a real campaign.
They did not consider the dynamics of the internet, video and audio.
They did not gauge the pulse of the people.
And, they did not factor Barack Obama in the least.

WYSIWYG

[thoughtcrime1984]

31. You should make an OP with this graphic! I never knew she said that....nt

[Willo]

33. Here's a video re: Feb 5th

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3WsPmZ1zDeA


You should also check out MadFloridian's Journal. He's really done a lot of work on the FL, MI mess.

[Willo]

34. Darn, how do I put in a sig pic?

[Hippo_Tron]

35. Clinton won't run in 2012, running against an incumbent is a roll of the dice

If the incumbent is popular, they are pretty much unbeatable.