Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

What Hillary wishes she could say (and more)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:20 PM
Original message
What Hillary wishes she could say (and more)

"I'm winning"


Unfortunately, Hillary's campaign is down on its luck and desperate:



If you're going to pander, get it right:

Hillary Clinton’s Booze Adviser

April 13th, 2008 by JAZZ SHAW

While I have enjoyed writing columns here at The Moderate Voice in the short time since Joe Gandelman invited me, I feel it only fair to give warning to both the Editor and our readers that I may be moving on to a new position which could stop me from doing this. You see, I am going to be announcing my availability to accept a position with the Hillary Clinton campaign as her official Campaign Booze Adviser. With Mark Penn out of the picture, it has now become more clear than ever that the candidate is desperately in need of such services. This became obvious after Senator Clinton’s recent appearance as a booze chugging, pizza gobbling, regular old gal. While I know I’ve not been hired yet, I shall offer my first consultation to you free of charge here today.

<...>

Clearly the Mainstream Media is once again falling down on the job with this shoddy reporting on a critical campaign story. And this is precisely why my help is needed on the campaign, this being one of my few areas of expertise. First of all, what was the order in which the drinking took place? The two reports are clearly contradictory. Did she do a shot and then wash it down with a beer chaser? Or did she start with the beer and decide on a shot later in the session? There are meticulous pub protocols to follow here, and you don’t want to mess that up.

Second, as to the brand choices. Crown Royal? Really Hillary? Have you nobody advising you any more? To start with, you are trying to impress the “real people” in Pennsylvania and Indiana… regular, middle class Americans. Crown Royal is a Canadian whiskey. It’s also one of the more expensive of the top shelf liquors you’ll find in your average bar. I’m not saying you had to go for the well drinks, which are often just dreadful, but you could at least have asked for Jack Daniels or Jim Beam. If you simply must tick off the poor folks and drink top shelf, go with Knob Creek.

Next, a mug of “watery light beer” on tap was not terrible, but not your strongest move. Clearly the reporter has no clue about politics, since that “watery light beer” is what’s being drunk by a vast swath of the electorate. But you could still do better. Iron City or Rolling Rock would demonstrate your every-man, beer chugging credentials while scoring huge points with the Pennsylbama crowd. If you wanted a more national flavor to your image, Old Milwaukee will never steer you wrong, though frankly I think it tastes like dishwater and gives you a hangover to kill a moose. But hey… we’re going for votes here.

I don’t know how you let this information about your “normal” drinking habits get out to the press, but red wine and Blue Moon wheat ale with a slice of orange are most certainly not the way to go. Hey, I drink wine and love well crafted microbrews myself, but then I’m not running for president. Putting any sort of fruit in your beer just reminds people of the folks who drink that watered down Mexican beer with a wedge of lime in it. Not the image we’re going for, here. And wine? Now you’re just setting yourself up for the limousine liberal tag which the Republicans toss at Senator Obama endlessly. You’re going for the common man here. Stick with the beer and shots routine, but please… keep an eye on the brands!

more


Polling PA papers for bitter-gate:

My first Rec'ed post. My wife read one of my posts for the 1st time b/c it made the rec. list. Thanks. Most important it has been pointed out I missed HRC's Hometown Scranton Paper who went with Obama. For the record, just b/c HRC says Scranton is her HomeTown, don't eat that garbage!!

Who is saying what in the local papers across PA.

The Allentown Call not only has little to nothing about "bitter-gate" THEY USE TODAY'S PAPER TO THROW THEIR SUPPORT BEHIND Obama!!!

The Beaver County Time forgot the "bitterness" and talk only about how Obama is "winning" and how Spector predicts Obama will win the nomination. I guess we can see why HRC is "bitter."

The Bloomburg Press Enterprise has nothing to be "bitter" about but for Bill Clinton is visiting. I guess they missed the "bitter-gate" story.

TheBradford Era must have missed the entire story. Shocking!

The Butler Eagle zippity dooodaaa on "bitter" and now HRC is getting more bitterer! Hey but according to The Eagle Chelsea is going to be around. And no, they are not going to ask her about Monica!

The Carlisle Sentinel had it listed fourth after "Lee likely to miss '08 with torn ACL", "Chevrolet Blazer reported stolen in Hopewell Township," "Nesting geese attack unwary shoppers in Illinois," and FINALLY! "Obama’s ’bitter’ remarks give Clinton an opening before key primary." The story quotes Huffington Post along with others. Thus, it is balanced and really is not the rally call HRC wants...and boy is she Bittereerereerer!




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:22 PM
Response to Original message
1. Go have another drink. My treat.
:beer:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. My treat. No, I insist!
Hillary needs to pay her vendors.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Why?
I got the Clinton Plum Amex Corporate card right here.

Have something top-shelf!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Donate the money to her campaign.
Seriously, she needs it (to pay her debt). If you don't, she'll probably have to make another personal loan to her campaign.

Don't worry about me (I'm on Obama's ship), save yourself.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. LOL...don't worry about us either. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:25 PM
Response to Original message
3. Have a drink on me sweetheart
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. What a candidate!
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 05:36 PM by sorrybushisfromtexas
Vote for me because I can throw back shots, eat pizza, and drink beer like a man.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. If you vote for somebody because of that, well you'll get what's been happening to us-
for the past 7 years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. It was totally sarcasm on my part.
She is desperate.

I will edit and add sarcasm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. Oops....sorry
Actually I knew I wqas just agreeing with you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. If Obama is the nominee...How will you defend him against Repubcan attacks?
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 05:40 PM by Tellurian
You are so sure Obama is the nomonee...Ok what is your defense against the Republican attacks calling him unpatriotic, a white racist and Black Separatist? How will you defend him to the voting public?

Little wonder why. Bill Clinton’s comments comparing Obama’s support in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson’s were certainly impolitic. But it’s absurd to contend, as many Democrats indignantly do, that they amounted to a shocking low blow or to “playing the race card.” The reaction underscored the essential prissiness of the Democratic contest so far. One can be sure the general election will not be such a delicate affair.


There are people who are able to look at events and facts objectively because there are enough video media and transcripts available to actually get at the Truth without candidate bias. And post a response backed by a link or two to back their claims. You my friend have been living in a bubble. That insular bubble goes away when you're facing Republican attacks..So how do you propose to defend Obama where Hillary attacks will be ineffective against Republicans blaring Obama as a white racist 24/7 especially after publishing Michelle's thesis paper combined with sitting in front of a racist minister for 20 years?

How do you propose you will defend all the crap Republicans are going to throw at Obama?

Hill supporters really want to know..if you expect us to support him for the general election...whats the plan?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Here is how:
He is beating Hillary "the best candidate ever" Clinton.

But we know that ("the best candidate ever") is BS right?







Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. No, I'll repeat the question..Obama is the nominee..not Hillary...GO!
You are so sure Obama is the nominee...Ok what is your defense against the Republican attacks calling him unpatriotic, a white racist and Black Separatist? How will you defend him to the voting public?

Little wonder why. Bill Clinton’s comments comparing Obama’s support in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson’s were certainly impolitic. But it’s absurd to contend, as many Democrats indignantly do, that they amounted to a shocking low blow or to “playing the race card.” The reaction underscored the essential prissiness of the Democratic contest so far. One can be sure the general election will not be such a delicate affair.


There are people who are able to look at events and facts objectively because there are enough video media and transcripts available to actually get at the Truth without candidate bias. And post a response backed by a link or two to back their claims. You my friend have been living in a bubble. That insular bubble goes away when you're facing Republican attacks..So how do you propose to defend Obama where Hillary attacks will be ineffective against Republicans blaring Obama as a white racist 24/7 especially after publishing Michelle's thesis paper combined with sitting in front of a racist minister for 20 years?

How do you propose you will defend all the crap Republicans are going to throw at Obama?

Hill supporters really want to know..if you expect us to support him for the general election...whats the plan?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. "if you expect us to support him...whats the plan?" Read, learn and make up your own mind. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. We Can't...we're relying on you for info..
I have Hillary's defense in place. The issues she would be facing with Republican attacks are much more complicated than Obamas. We have nothing on her for defending racism and unpatriotism..Because she will never be accused of that by Republicans.

So, it's up to you to fill us in.. as Obama is the Nominee..and the Republicans continue playing the "God Damned America" videos..That the government gave the Black People HIV Aids to kill them all, That the victims of the Twin Towers deserved what they got because America is a War/Hate monger...

So what do we say to defend him?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. "I have Hillary's defense in place. "
How's that working out?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Apparently, you have NO defense for Obama, correct?
and are resigned to have him beaten by Republicans for the Presidency for the third election in a row!

Why are you encouraging people to follow your prescribed course of failure once again?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Is Obama winning?
I don't need to defend him to prove anything to you.

Hillary is losing, go defend her (try it without distortion).

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Because you can't
linkage challenged?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Can't what? Play your idiotic game? n/t


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Provide a link in Obama's defense...
because there isn't anything that can be said to cure the problem. It's out there and it's deadly!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Hillary is losing
McCain is a loser.

This primary season has been a series of actions by a losing (and desperate) candidate propping up a lousy candidate (the Republican)

Your posts are in line with Hillary, who is losing, offering Obama the VP slot.

She is arrogant, condescending and delusional. What's your excuse for twisting the facts to defend her?





Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. All I want is a Democrat that can win...it happens to be Hillary ..
because Obama is unelectable. He is damaged goods and we deserve better!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. She can't beat Obama, that means she can't win.
Hillary lies. Her campaign is a disgrace. You are perfectly okay with a liar. You deserve a loser. You have one: Hillary.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. I really don't understand your thought process..
Obama is fininshed..I don't care who he as behind him. They are behind him for all the wrong reasons. The fact of the matter IS, he can't beat a REpublican. He's done!

Wright, the Patriotism thing, his racist wife.. the Rezko scandal.. Obama is being peeled like an onion layer by layer till we get to the core...Too many hooks in him. The Republicans will crucify him within a month if he was ever the nominee. Why do you think the entire cable network is supporting him? The Republicans own the networks. They want an easy opponent giving McCain a smooth ride into the White House for another 4 years!

I don't know how else to explain it to you.. because it is what it is..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. I don't care! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Well I do..
We need a fighter to beat the Republicans. Gore and Kerry both failed. We've suffered for 8 yrs because of failure and I'm not going to take it anymore. Enough is enough! Fine if you don't care. We're not depending on you for support. This isn't a popularity contest...some people think of it that way...I don't. I want someone qualified that can get the job done. Not someone talking trash..Annie Oakley, six shooter, crap..How Kennedyesque is that? I want a suitable, qualified, candidate with all the attributes to win the next presidecy away from the Republicans with the prospect of Eight years of Peace and Prosperity period! Thats all I want, and I'm not afraid to work hard to get it!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. You misunderstood: I don't care what about your opinon on my thought process.
You've lied repeatedly. You sport the logo of a despicable smear site. You got what you deserved Hillary's campaign.

Learn to say President Obama.

He will win, accept it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. The usual tripe response..
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 10:53 PM by Tellurian
Prove His44 is a despicable smear site!

Hillary could be confined to a wheelchair and a neck brace and still beat Obama..

Suck it UP!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Wondering how long your real character would show up. (nice edit) n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Having a problem proving His44 is a smear site?
You're grouchy, when you're in link withdrawal.

Like I said, Suck it UP!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. "Suck it UP!" What? Hillary losing? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:51 PM
Response to Original message
12. K & R
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
14. Clinton: When I Last Fired A Gun Is "Not A Relevant Question"
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 07:00 PM by ProSense

Clinton: When I Last Fired A Gun Is "Not A Relevant Question"

By Eric Kleefeld - April 13, 2008, 6:30PM

When asked to elaborate on her experiences with guns and religion — after her remarks yesterday about having been taught to shoot by her dad — Hillary Clinton said that such a question "is not a relevant question in this debate."

Rather, the issue is about how the Democratic Party and its attitudes are perceived by working-class voters. "We can answer that some other time," Clinton told a press conference. "This is about what people feel is being said about them. I went to church on Easter. I mean, so?"


Oh, the irony!




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:06 PM
Response to Original message
23. K&R
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 05:07 PM by me b zola
:beer:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:08 PM
Response to Original message
24. CLINTON TAKES AIM AT GUNS
From the Newspaper Association of America, a 2000 press release:

CLINTON TAKES AIM AT GUNS

In his introduction of luncheon speaker Hillary Rodham Clinton, NAA Chairman William S. Morris III said, ”Every first lady makes a mark.” After nearly eight years of working on health-care and children’s issues from the White House, Clinton now wants to make her mark as the Democratic senator from New York. She advocated stricter gun-control measures, but also encouraged parents to “share the blame and not just point fingers” at society and the media over the issue of violence committed by youths.

Clinton announced that she would join the Million Mom March in Washington, D.C., on Mother’s Day to promote gun-safety laws because “there isn’t a more important task. I still believe it takes a village to raise a child,” she said, referring to her 5-year-old book of the same name.

Shootings in Colorado, Georgia, Michigan and, most recently, Washington, D.C., “have opened the eyes of many parents to a very scary reality,” said Clinton. School violence in the form of roughhousing is not a new phenomenon, but today’s brand of violence is different. Clinton cited the Brady Bill as an effective public policy that has prevented a number of people from instantly purchasing handguns. As senator, she would aggressively advocate licensing and registration of new handguns. Anyone looking to purchase a firearm would need a state-issued photo identification and have to pass a Brady background check and a certified safety course. A national database would record any activity on the purchase and sale of firearms. This would help ensure that a gun purchaser would know how to use guns intelligently, store them safely and handle them legally, she said.

Asked about the effect of media influence on crime, Clinton said studies show that a “steady diet of media violence”—exposure to violent movies, television, video and the Internet—has a profound impact on unstable members of society. She endorsed a voluntary system of uniform, cross-media ratings for parents to evaluate their children’s media diet.

It is also the responsibility of parents to invest the time needed to ensure the welfare of their children. Surveys show teenagers want more of their parents’ time, not less, she said.

Underscoring the importance of the First Amendment, Clinton said that society must protect free expression for adults. However, adults also must “take control of what our children see and hear,” she said. “All of us have a stake.”

Asked whether she would support a law to get rid of the inheritance, or “death,” tax, Clinton said she is not in favor of eliminating the tax completely, but would like to modify it sufficiently so that a family-owned business could be passed to the children. She favors raising the estate exemption to at least $1.75 million and increasing the unified credit, which can be used to reduce the amount of tax paid.

”I am in favor of doing what we can to keep that enterprise within a family, and I would work to do that,” said Clinton.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:50 PM
Response to Original message
33. you can fool some of the Pensylvanians all of the time . . .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 06:53 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC