Do you Obama folks and his campaign really

[Mags]

think you can win the GE if by chance Obama wins the nomination and can make it without the Clinton voters and her endorsement? I have seen in several post today that a lot of you folks don't care about her endorsement or her voters.
Which is it? Where will his votes come from to beat McCain?

[TML]

1. Yes we can

There's how many Americans eligible to vote? How many Clintonistas online spreading their disease? The numbers are on our side. We'll win going away.

[JoFerret]

45. Ah - the language of unity

Jesus wept.

[Ka hrnt]

50. Yeah...

Ridiculous. I don't like Obama or Clinton (and I believe Obama will get the nomination), but only an imbecile would think they can win without the others' votes. (And I believe the overwhelming majority of Clinton supporters will vote for Obama and vice versa; what you see here on DU is not likely a representative sample of either.) If Obama doesn't get the majority of Clinton's votes, he's toast--period. You can't win with a divided base, especially not one that's split almost 50/50.

*sigh*

This is the third presidential election in a row I'm going to have to vote not for who I WANT to be president, but rather for who do I prefer to NOT be president?

[JoFerret]

60. This very divisive campaign

is such a tremendous tragedy.

[rug]

2. GDP and the Obama forum.

[AllentownJake]

3. Ok

I'm a little pissed off right now because Clinton people came to our campaign office to protest Obama. Which is worse the flame war on the internet or actively walking into another candidates office and trying to cause trouble.

[Yael]

What!?!?

Do you have a thread up about this?

If not -- open one and tell us what happened.

[AllentownJake]

10. Your wish is my command

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5486336&mesg_id=5486336

[Yael]

15. Thanks Jake

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

4. From sane people, maybe? n/t

[Yael]

5. He will work with the independents as well as 80% of Democrats

The other 20% will likely sit it out.

[YDogg]

6. I take it you will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee?

I would vote for either ... just tying to determine whether would actively work for / support the Dem nominee, or whether you would act against the Dem nominee if your candidate does not advance?

[Mags]

13. It's been on this board all day, you folks don't want or need Hillary and her voters.

[YDogg]

26. "you folks?" I voted for Edwards. But I am pulling for Obama now.

So I ask you again, would *you* vote for Obama if he is the candidate? Or if you don't get your way are you uninterested in voting? Or would you vote for mccain? Just wonderin'.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. What the fuck are you talking about?

I expect that DEMOCRATS will support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE.

In the increasingly unlikely event that Hillary ends up with the nomination, I will vote for her. We have a process, and at the end of that process, any DEMOCRAT who will not support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE is not a real DEMOCRAT and is, to my mind, full of shit.

[Window]

46. I hear more of that coming from "you folks" than from Senator Obama's supporters.

Most of "you folks" say you'd rather die than vote for Senator Obama.

[Arkana]

67. I have faith that true Democrats will vote for the nominee.

What about you?

[scot]

76. "True Democrats" don't elect presidents

Neither do "Wing Nuts". Those votes are committed before the primaries are even held. Its the soft, "Reagan" Democrats, the independents, and the Rockefeller Republicans that elect presidents. I frankly am very concerned about November regardless of our nominee. Those here that think the Democratic Primary will decide the president and the GE is just a formality are fooling themselves.

[kid a]

7. WIll a gift certificate to a long day at the spa cheer you up?

It would me!

I'll vote for either.

[Mags]

16. how funny . ha

[grantcart]

8. well he's going to be the nominee and then what do you suggest he does

buy their support?

[Mags]

19. Maybe he should talk to the typical white bitter small town people.

[AllentownJake]

23. Duck

Sniper fire.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Grumble Grumble Grumble. Robble Robble Robble.

Again, all you've got there is a string of key-words that are supposed to get people worked up.

Although you left out "snob" and "elitist" and "latte".

[grantcart]

42. but your question isn't about small town people its how to get the Clinton's on board

It has become obvious that the only real motivator for the Clinton's is money. Bill Clinton will give speaches for anybody for any cause for the right fee.


Hillary will sit down with the people who accused her of killing Vince Foster.


So how much do you think that the Clinton's are going to charge for their support. That was the point of your OP. How much do you think it will cost. Then we can judge the cost/benefit.

[Arkana]

70. He seems to understand them better than

your "Goddess of Peace", who seems to think that things are A-OK and she can just go ahead and pay lip service to these people for their votes, then ignore them if she gets into office.

[elizm]

9. Yep. nt

[The River]

11. Why Are You Clinton Supporters so Bitter?

[InfiniteNether]

12. Oh, you mean the 30% Clinton cultists who would vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee?

Very easy. They were never Democrats to begin with. And if there was a Clinton/McCain matchup, they would vote for McCain anyway when he runs his own 3 A.M. ads and scares them into wetting their pants.

[stellanoir]

14. I know each and every one of them intimately.

You see. I've slept with each and every one of them.

KIDDING

Really it comes down to the damned voting machines anyhoo.

[cali]

17. yes, it's only silly embittered hillary tools who think he doesn't

stand a good chance of winning, magspoo. And he'll get his votes from dems and indies. duh. Clinton will endorse him. she's not an idiot.

[Mags]

22. I'm sure Calipoo you think any one who doesn't vote for your leader is racists as you

have so often stated . Well, that turns a lot of voters off, Dem or not.

[cali]

36. no, magspoo. I think anyone who doesn't vote for the dem nominee

is a pathetic asshole.

[Mags]

48. calipoo, not everyone thinks he is the best for our country.

I really don't know if I will vote for him or not, but so many Obama supporters on here have no respect for anyone that doesn't agree with them. You have even called me racist . I'm just sick of the bullying and trashing of Hillary.

[JVS]

75. Spare us the drama, read 71

[Raven]

18. (taking a deep breath)...there are many of us (Obama supporters)

who do not support Senator Clinton and, in fact, are pretty repulsed by the campaign she and her husband have run, but we are determined to vote for the Democratic nominee in the GE. Now, it would behoove you Clinton supporters to be a little restrained when you are talking to us because we are up to about here with your candidate and it would not take much in the way of arrogance or tone deafness on the part of the HC campaign to keep us home on election day.

[zalinda]

35. And (taking a deep breath)... there are many of us

non Obama supporters, who are not Clinton supporters either. But, that doesn't seem to bother Obama supporters, as they continually cast anyone who doesn't like Obama as either stupid, racist or repub, and sometimes all three. You, as Obama supporters, continually blame Clinton for any gaff that Obama may make, and then blame Clinton supporters, or whomever doesn't support Obama with the trinity label (stupid, racist, repub) because we "just don't understand what Obama meant".

It is pretty tiring to be called the "trinity" when it isn't deserved. Please don't call me when you want my vote, I'm not sure if I will be smart, anti-racist, or dem enough to answer the call.

zalinda

[childslibrarian]

20. Any person who is a true Democrat

And cares about this country will vote for whoever the democratic candidate is. Unless, of course, you want 4 more years....I, however, am a teacher and I will vote for anyone against "No Child Left Behind" You people need to stop being so petty and start thinking about the country and the children!

[FARAFIELD]

21. Fuck Hillary and her supporters if thats their attitude

She is just bitter and being beaten by someone that hasnt been around very long. If they want to vote for McCain then I say GO AHEAD. Its always the Hillary people blaming us (Obama Supporters). Well if your candidate cant even win more votes in a primary, what reason would anyone believe that you can win in NOVEMBER. lets be plain here. Hillary goes on about her BIG STATE wins, but the truth is Either one of them will win all the big states BUT TEXAS and Florida. OHIO, NM, IOWA, NV COLORADO are the tossups. Thats the end of that. OBAMA blows out with a capital B mccain in California (my home state). So it becomes who can win enough electral votes and I say obama because he has a better shot at the swing states. And just for good measure Ill bet a million that he can get more red state votes (even if he doesnt win the state) which will help make our popular vote margin look a lot better even if our electoral margin is small. And thats pretty much that. Ive been on DU for years and the HILLBOTS are with out a doubt bitter about this man leading her at this point. If she wants tell her to win some freaking states and delegates and she wouldnt have to worry about it.

[Mags]

29. How could it be any different with the way Obama folks trash her and her supporters?

[JackORoses]

24. when you realize that McCain means

War with Iran

An Economic Depression

and the Right Wing Takeover of the Supreme Court

you will come to your senses.

[AirmensMom]

25. Are you saying

that the Clinton voters are short-sighted enough to either sit out the election or vote for McSame?

Look, I can't stand Clinton. But I will vote for her if she's the nominee. Why? Because she has a "D" beside her name. Do you really want to risk another four years of the same bullshit? Goodbye Roe v. Wade, enough wars to last your lifetime, etc., all because you don't like how someone who supports Obama has treated you? Do you even realize how that sounds?

[Mags]

27. No, I saying look around on the threads today, Obama's supporters

are saying how much they hate, hate and despise Clinton, they don't need her nor her voters.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. The hate-spewing people I see coming the most unglued around here right now tend to be for Hillary.

I guess it's understandable to some extent, because she's losing.

But still-- Please, can you provide a link to where "us Obama folks" are saying we don't need or want Clinton's supporters?

[AirmensMom]

38. They would be wrong

about not needing her voters. Every vote for the Democratic candidate makes it harder for McSame. I doubt Obama will get Clinton's support if he wins. But I could be wrong about that.

It's a shame that neither side can be assured of the support of the other side at the end of it. Then again, perhaps everyone just needs a little time to cool their jets. Any Democrat who won't support the nominee is not a true Democrat.

[americanstranger]

41. Please stop whining about it.

You made your point three posts upthread. now you just sound like you're putting on a 'poor me' act.

We get it. Vote for whomever you want or don't even vote. It's your vote, after all.

But a Democrat should vote for the Dem nominee, no matter what the mean people on the internets are saying.

- as

[wisteria]

28. Yes, it is not a belief is is reality. Clinton wouldn't have a chance- she is so disliked.

And, those numbers just went up. She makes me sick and I was one person who was going to vote for her if she fairly became our nominee.:puke:

[ZombieHorde]

30. A handful of "supporters" here on DU does not represent

the country as a whole.

[Arrowhead2k1]

32. Yes because I have to believe America is sick of electing people who haven't been smeared the most.

We want to vote on the issues this time. Yes we can!

[datopbanana]

33. Um if Clinton doesn't endorse him and do it convincingly, she'll be crucified. So don't worry

[rucky]

39. We'll find out soon enough.

Will you be voting?

[Lucky 13]

40. His General Election votes come from every sector of the American public

Everyone who gets scared of another Republican appointing Supreme Court Justices...
Everyone who gets mad at the thought of more wars, more troops, more death...
Everyone who worries about the economy and if they'll lose their job...

EVERYONE who gives a FUCK about this country, will have their ASS in a polling booth electing President Barack H. Obama on Nov 2. Period.

And if you don't do that? Fuck it. I'm not going to waste my time kissing your pompous ass while you eat sour grapes. Wanna fucked up country? Grandpa McCain's your man. Want ANYTHING better than that, you'll be voting for Obama. See you in November.

[CakeGrrl]

43. The young voters who are inspired to register by Obama are a good start

You know, the ones disillusioned by all the Washington cronyism and strange bedfellowship that the Clintons so perfectly embody these days.

If Clinton supporters are, dare we say, BITTER about her badly-run campaign and want to take it out on themselves and the Democratic Party by withholding a vote for Obama just because she misjudged and lost the nomination due to her campaign's failure to capitalize fairly on multiple advantages, there are some less jaded new voters out there who have not felt until now that they can really make a difference.

Offsetting the HRC supporters and their inaction in the GE is a great way for them to start.

[undeterred]

44. Yes.

From the Democrats, Independents, and Republicans who recognize him for the leader that he is.

And it is not "by chance" its practically a done deal; and Clinton doesn't bring much.

[Hepburn]

47. In a word....

...yes, unlike HiLIARy, he attracts independents.

Any other questions?

[bowens43]

49. Obama isn't going to win the nomination 'by chance'.

He is going to win the nomination because he is the an excellent choice for the presidency. Frankly, any hillary supporters who refuse to vote for Obama can pound sand up theirs asses for all I care. I really expect that some percentage of her supporters , a small percentage , are as lacking in integrity as she is, they'll vote for McCain just because they;'re pissed that the Queen was denied her throne.

As for her endorsement, he doesn't need it and yes, he can win the GE without it.

[my3boyz]

51. I don't give a shit abt Clinton

or her vindictive DU supporters. If you want to vote for McCain then do it. If you want to stay home then do it. Obama will rise above it all and win in November. Obama is not going to kiss Hillary's ass for an endorsement. I'm not going to kiss DU Clinton supporter's ass to get them to vote for Obama. Do what you want to do and live with it.

[saltpoint]

52. Clinton has lost the nomination race. Obama will head our ticket.

And we're going to crush John McCain.

[BlueIdaho]

53. In the end Hillary

will endorse Obama - the only question is - what will you do when she asks you to support him too?

Are you a Democrat or not?

[MattNC]

54. Most Clinton voters

aren't like the ones here at DU. Same for Obama voters.

[MattNC]

55. Most Clinton voters

aren't like the ones here at DU. Same for Obama voters.

[Arkana]

74. Excellent point...I think we lose sight of this too often.

[Bonobo]

56. I think her endorsement at this point is meaningless considering how she has run him down.

[Asgaya Dihi]

57. Interesting question

Yes, I do believe he can win. Doesn't mean he will, but he can. There's an awful lot of people out there who have been just dropping out of politics over recent decades because they don't believe anyone is on their side and to tell the truth in a lot of cases they've been right. Both parties have been more interested in feeding at the corporate trough and playing on the fears and selfish needs of "Middle America" to notice the growing prison populations, the reasons behind them, the deteriorating health care system, and all the other problems we've had over recent decades. Including during the Clinton years. Look at the rate of prison growth during those years and the racial balance it left us with.

The thing "Middle America" forgot and is now realizing is that there's room at the bottom for them too. Trickle down was just the rich pissing on the middle class and it's no better from the middle class to the poor. They aren't going to do ok just because we did, in fact ignoring them just makes room at the bottom for more of us. The nation is waking even if many politicians aren't.

Now let's be fair and turn this around. Clinton can't even beat Obama, in spite of all the insults and accusations about glass jaws and he's not ready. If he's not ready but he's beating her, then what's that say about her chances? In national polls she polls at best even with and often behind Obama, he matches up against McCain in general population polls including those swing voters better than she does. If she did somehow manage through the Rovian tactics she's used to swiftboat him out of the nomination, what do you expect to really come of it besides one of the worst defeats in a generation or so? I wouldn't vote for her, if we're going to have someone in office who wants to use neocon tactics I'd rather that were a repub than a dem. A repub leaves us as the clear choice in another four years to end the mess and fix the nation, a dem acting like a neocon for the win just buys us into the problem. It's our fault too and that doesn't recommend us to fix it. If we'd ever stand for anything instead of constantly equivocating and compromising maybe the public would believe we stood for something instead of just hoping a politician comes along who would.

I won't continue to contribute to the death of both the party and the nation, and that's all the road we've been on for the last 30 years or so has been. The slow suicide of a party and a nation. More of the same isn't going to help.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

58. She will need to kiss his ring when he gets the nod if she wants a political future.

It's up to her supporters to decide if they want to follow her with a vote.

[Mags]

63. you are in another world.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

59. I've come to the conclusion that a lot of Dems don't care if we win or not.

a lot of stupid stuff going on by a LOT of people....

They care more about their own candidates than winning.

[Butch350]

61. Simple...

Keep up with current events and your question will be answered?

[BlooInBloo]

62. Its TEH AWESOMEZ when Clinton supporters try extortion.

[Mags]

64. wait until the G E if BO by chance gets the nom , then we will talk about extortion.

[locker13]

65. yeah

all obama has to do is keep a decent chunk of the democratic vote and then launch the biggest voter registration in the history of human civilization, which he will plenty of money to do it with becuase he will have raised more money for a campaign than anybody in the history of human civilization. The new voters, especially the untapped pools of the youth and African Americans, will overwhelm any mccain advantage. Its that simple.

[RBInMaine]

66. They'll close ranks after the primary no matter who wins.

[Avalux]

68. Why wouldn't Hillary endorse Obama? Is she that selfish to put herself above the party?

I guess she is, by dissing Gore and Kerry tonight. She has turned her back on Democrats and chosen to selfishly continue down the path of destruction not only for herself, but for anyone she can take down with her.

And by the way - I am not "an Obama folk". I am a Democrat. Hillary can fuck off if she chooses not to endorse Obama.

[JasonHill]

69. Bitterness over the primary

will largely subside when a candidate is chosen. Only the Hardcore Zealots of either camp will put their ego over the good of the US - by that i mean voting for the Dem.

[cottonseed]

71. Hillary will endorse Obama and you will vote for him.

That is exactly what will happen.

[JVS]

73. right on!

[JVS]

72. Do you really think that the diehard Hillary partisanship is shared by all Democrats or just some...

in cyberspace?