Clinton will Soften the blow on the Middle Class and the Working Poor for the Changes needed

[HopeforChange]

So get ready people, If Clinton becomes president. Turn off your lights and open up your wallet. Get ready for at least one more deduction on your paychecks for Health Insurance and maybe even another one on mandatory green house gas reduction contributions. Get ready to pay.

[tularetom]

1. And big contributors to the clinton "library fund" will get the contracts

[JoFerret]

18. And Obama makes the ground holy

on which he stands.

(Take a break from from automatic reactions - good for the knees.)

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

2. Yay, my taxes will finally go to caring for American citizens and the environment.

:woohoo: :applause:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

3. Dupe, and one more YAY!

:woohoo: :applause:

[bowens43]

4. I would have no problem with this at all

End the war and pay taxes to take care of the environment and provide health care for those who can't afford it. Sounds good to me.

[HopeforChange]

5. The Problem with this is that it panders to the culprits

Health Insurance can be made affordable and available by forcing the Insurance companies to reduce their charges and deductibles.
Oil and Gas Companies and other Companies who are causing the green house gases should be held accountable and required to clean up their act.

Minimum wage is $5.25 I think. A gallon of Gas is close to $4.00. How can people pay anymore. Reduce the costs first then perhaps people won't have to pay mandatory fees. So many cannot afford it.

[JoFerret]

6. Are you sure you want either of those two things?

You sound very like a befuddled republican to me.

[quakerboy]

7. I want them

But not mandated to me at market prices.

[JoFerret]

8. What is your plan

for accomplishing them?

[quakerboy]

9. Well, i see a couple options

First, I see a possibility in Obama. He seems like someone who listens to the people. I have a hard time believing that he will push hard enough on his own to achieve the health care that I would see here in the US. But if We come off the bench in a major way, I can see him listening to us. I would rank that around a 30% chance, because I am rather jaded about the chances of the American people actually stepping up on this one.

As things get bad enough, economically, he may be pushed/pulled into a new New Deal. I could very well see true Universal health care coming out of that. Give that maybe another 30% depending on how things go between now and next February.

Finally, I think that if he is able to deal with situations as adeptly as he has so far, I can see us keeping the presidency for more than just one or 2 terms, rare as that has been for democrats. Even he is only able to improve the situation some, looking to the future, I can see his example opening the way for the next president to be able to close the deal. Give it another 30% there.

And then 10% thrown to the "who the fuck knows what the future holds" and the "ain't never gonna happen" contingency's.


On edit, I could go with a Canadian style system, or a more Brit style. Either would be better. Preferably blend some of the better elements of other proven plans. Gonna cost, but not near as much as the Frankenstein we have now does. Not near as much as "market price" profit based crap.

[JoFerret]

11. I agree with some of your thinking

And certainly with what to me is a fear that Obama will fight for none of it. Single payer national system is the only workable solution.

And of course universal has to mean universal. Hillary is right about the cherry-picking. Obama is wrong not to start with the big picture.

It COULD happen. but only if WE push for it. And voting for Obama is putting very vague hope up against a powerful set of opposing forces.

[quakerboy]

12. Whereas

I do not see Hillary fighting for real health care. No matter that 3/4 of the nation shows up on her doorstep to protest, I don't see her listening to us rather than doing it her way. I prefer a vote for a hope in Obama to a vote for no hope in Hillary.

Hillary is right, yet wrong. I do like that Obama looks at what he can win, but I wish it were more. In the end, though, neither of their plans is worth spit, as far as I can tell, other than as an opening gambit. So again, I chose the hope over the none, the chance over the none. Unfortunately, it has been my perception for some time that H+B C have become wholly owned, and that means that there is no chance of true reform under them. Whereas I think that when Obama is elected, his policies will depend in large part on what we do. Who will we elect down ticket?

[JoFerret]

15. I see the dilemma

but have reached a different conclusion.

But whoever gets elected we are going to have to work damned hard to see progress.

[quakerboy]

16. Very true.

Its going to be on us to make anything happen, no matter what happens in this presidential election.

[Spider Jerusalem]

10. She won't do anything of the sort; she's not going to be president.

You have to get nominated for that. It's not going to happen.

[JoFerret]

17. Which - from the point of view of progress in health coverage -

is a terrible shame.

[cliffordu]

13. Wow, that's mighty republican of you!!!

[nels25]

14. Taxes will in some way change

from the way we know we them now. Charlie Rangel is preparing a close to complete overhaul of some of the way taxes are done.

Different rates and types (if I were a big fund manager I would prepare to start paying my fair part for a change).

I just would for a pleasant change like to see tax money go for the good of the people and the normal function of government.

Consider that my city could not afford to plow the streets or salt them. But it could afford to build a trolley system (that has no connection with the regular transit system) that is never used, and a Civil War Museum (I do not recall the Confederates getting all that close to SE Wisconsin, but I could be wrong). To me that is a priority problem, first you fund the normal functions of government then those of a more artsy cultural nature. Instead you have the rich elite fulminate and decry any one as a cretin who would disagree with their funding desire. Years ago culture was funded in large part by the private arena.

Money is overall to tight at the present moment to be wasted, we need to use it wisely and in a way that provides a benefit for the largest portion of our population, and country.

Pay more in taxes, okay, but not for it to be wasted.
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