Hillary slams Al Gore on CNN

[BluegrassDem]

She said that Dems in the past decade have "lost" elections cause they were deemed out of touch and elitist.

Well, well Hillary...she didn't get the memo that Gore won more voters in 2000 and won the state of Florida!!!!! WTF is wrong with her? Why doesn't she just go run of the Repug nomination instead!!

Her campaign has officially jumped the shark.

[PM7nj]

1. Obama: By the way, I think Al Gore won...

good for Obama. I bet Hillary feels like a fool now.

[NJSecularist]

4. Did Obama really say that?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

OMG, Hillary is owned.

[NYCGirl]

7. Indeed he did! NT

[elizm]

8. I caught that too. Damn he's good! nt

[City Lights]

12. Take that, Hilly!

:rofl:

Thank you, Barack! :patriot:

[futureliveshere]

18. Wohooo.. I wish I had seen this.. I feel better now!!!

[quantass]

54. .

[Samantha]

82. And he would have won in 2004 had he run - but the DLC ask

him not to -- publicly. Why exactly was that? Because Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton have run the DLC since leaving the White House. Had Al Gore run and won, Hillary could not have challenged him as an incumbent President -- he would have done too good of a job for any Dem to challenge him for a second term in 2008. Al Gore had to be "sacrificed" for the benefit of the Hillary Clinton quest for the Oval Office.

I posted that sentiment here in anger in 2003, and I can locate those exact words if anyone insists. But I am constantly reminded of my outrage at the way the Clintons have treated Al Gore when I see posters today saying Clinton is trying to destroy Obama for the General Election so she can run in 2012. Of course she is. She's doing the same thing to Obama that she has done in the past to Al Gore. And it is all about her, as some have started to notice.

Hillary Clinton has not changed as a result of this campaign. It's just that the worst sides of her are now being publicly perceived by those observing her in action.

Sam

[Armstead]

91. Good catch! I didn;t make that connection during the program.

[countingbluecars]

2. And Obama just praised

him on CNN!

[me b zola]

6. Obama said that he believes that Gore won

:thumbsup:

[Cha]

22. Gore is worthy to be praised and

hilary is A fool.

[proud2BlibKansan]

73. LOL I am not holding my breath waiting for Hillary to praise Gore on CNN

Maybe on Faux.

Nah, not even on Faux. :rofl:

[Cali_Democrat]

3. I think she knows now that Gore will endorse Obama

[Changenow]

11. Must be, since they both brought him up

very differently.

[grytpype]

21. I think that's a good deduction...

She knows she's toast and she's going to lash out at everyone on her way down...

Bye bye Clintons, you're finished!

[leftynyc]

103. No he wont

Not before the convention. He's said as much here

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/mar/28/gore-thinks-dem-nomination-will-be-set-before/

[greguganus]

5. She thinks everyone has failed but herself. n/t

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[beachmom]

45. We are royally screwed if Hillary were the nominee. Not only do vast

numbers of Republicans and Independents despise her, but after this primary season, huge swaths of DEMOCRATS can't stand her.

[FatDave]

96. Also:

We need to be throwing the DLC out of the party, not trying to send them to the white house!

[Ikonoklast]

10. Al Gore will come out for Obama; Hillary knows this now

So, throwing Al under the bus is no big deal.

[Changenow]

13. It won't hurt Al, only Hillary

She still doesn't get it.

[YDogg]

17. he damned well ought to now

[Hippo_Tron]

14. I honestly don't think Kerry lost because he was deemed elitist

It may have been a factor but it wasn't the decisive one. Bush "won" (god knows what happened in Ohio) because of fear-mongering about Kerry's inability to be commander-in-chief. Kerry simply wasn't able to convince enough people to trust him with the office.

[smiley_glad_hands]

15. Is she still running for the Democratic nomination? eom

[Hutzpa]

79. Haven't you heard

she became John McSame surrogate recently.

[Bonobo]

16. But Obama came out and lifted him up and said: "I think Al Gore won."

The man who could be president just admitted there was election fraud/tampering of some kind.

[FatDave]

97. Bonobo, may I repeat that?

The man who could be president just admitted there was election fraud/tampering of some kind.

Consider that for a moment.

Now, anybody still on the fence?

[tishaLA]

19. It's too bad she ran over a Nobel Prize winner

with her bus. I guess he is dead to her.

[bigtree]

20. of course you're lying. She didn't mention Gore in that context at all.

[Changenow]

23. How did she?

I missed it.

[K Gardner]

24. She's been throwing "Democrats losing presidential elections" under the bus all day, stating they

were deemed "too elitist and out of touch". I've heard her say it twice.. LIVE. And tonight again.

[smiley_glad_hands]

25. She's using republican frames against the party and democrats.

Someone needs to let her know that she's a democrat too. She only cares for her own ego.

[bigtree]

27. she didn't name Gore in that regard. And DU was famous last year for bashing Democrats.

I'll be shocked, just shocked to find a majority here now claiming the party has been 'in touch', just to put Clinton down. Keep digging. You're in a league with yourselves.

[Zachstar]

33. DU is not the democratic party.

Take your spin crap outta here!

[bigtree]

41. she said that in 2000, 2004, large segments of voters didn't think our party shared their values

The election was split between the candidates. There WAS a large section of voters that held the belief about our party Clinton spoke of.

The truth isn't 'spin'.

[beachmom]

46. No, no, no, that is NOT what is going on here. Hillary has zero use for "the truth".

Everything she does is for what she perceives will mean political gain. She is trying to equate Obama with Gore and Kerry. Meaning he will lose. She doesn't give a rat's ass about strengthening the Democratic party or having an honest discussion. I mean don't insult our intelligence here.

[bigtree]

well, that's just rhetoric. The reality is, that she stated the obvious

those elections in 2000 and 2004 were mostly split between the parties. There WAS a large segment which voted on 'values'. The Democratic party deserved those votes. Kerry acknowledged that in his own campaign. We can and should do a better job of communicating our Democratic values to voters. It's that simple. If that's a knock on past campaigns, then so be it.

[beachmom]

57. I wonder why it was perceived that Democrats didn't represent people's values?

I can't tell you how many people are STILL outraged by Clinton's adultery, and how he lacked any decent values. You think that helped Gore out in '00?

And gay marriage was a wedge issue driven in '04. I mean, I am sorry, but joining in on gay bashing, which the Clintons have a record of doing, is not a way to win.

This is not an honest argument because it is all based on bashing Obama as "elitist" an absurd assertion.

[bigtree]

60. It certainly is a legitimate issue. We HAVE good values, but those haven't been communicated well

There has been much acknowledgment of this. I would be surprised if Obama himself hasn't already spoken to this.

[beachmom]

86. It is NOT a legitimate issue in the context of how Hillary is raising it.

OBAMA IS NOT AN ELITIST!!!! Do I have to shout it louder??? Obama is not rich, nor did he grow up in a privileged background. Obama had no money until he started selling books. Prior to that he was in debt from his campaign. He is not elitist, so Hillary bringing up '00 and '04 and then tying it in with Obama "being an elitist", is not legitimate. She is trying to equate Obama with Kerry & Gore. You know, I think we can give Kerry & Gore a rest for a while, okay? I think they have been properly abused and insulted and demeaned enough. They lost and they paid dearly for it in terms of their families as well as downright horrible publicity on TV especially coming from Clintonistas. For Hillary to bring this up NOW is just more craven politics that helps no one.

[leftynyc]

104. So are you saying

(or ranting more specifically) that the press and pubs didn't deem our candidates as elitest? Because I remember they certainly did. Hillary pointing this out is not the problem. People who take every word out of her mouth and attaching the most venal meaning to them is the problem.

[Kber]

50. First - there was an equally large section of the population that

believed that the REPUBS didn't share it's beliefs either (you know, civil rights and shit).

Second - it's that section of the population that call themselves Democrats and

Third - last I checked, she's running for the Democratic nomination. I'd prefer she didn't do it by throwing ME under the bus, thank you very much.

[bigtree]

55. She spoke about the overall population of voters in those contests. Try some intellectual honesty

She was referring to the general election contests, not primaries. Pointing out reasons for the votes we did not get is not a slam on the ones that we did receive.

[TLM]

68. "intellectual honesty"...... after the bitter comment crap?

I thought Hillary changed the rules again and spinning comments out of context to attack dems was OK?


Hillary said Al Gore lost in 2000 and Kerry in 2004 because they were elitists who did share the values of America the way she does.


And Bill called rural voters, cowardly insecure racists.

"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," - Los Angeles Times in September 1991.



Why do the clintons hate rural working class folks and Al Gore so much?


(See how easy this same game can be played right back on you?)

[bigtree]

70. right, you feel she lied, so you lie?

She did not say those things and you know that. So much for your credibility on integrity.

[TLM]

74. Oh so it is OK for Hillary and her supporters to lie and distort to attack Obama...

but if someone turns those same exact tactics on her, you cry foul.

My point has been very effectively proven.

[leftynyc]

105. She said no such thing

Pretty ironic that your mad at her for lying and here you are doing the same thing.

[Kber]

93. So was I. (Referring to GE, I mean)

and Gore got more popular votes.

Kerry didn't but it wasn't exactly a blow out.

[TLM]

59. yes she did....

unless you claim Gore didn't run in 2000.

[bigtree]

69. she was speaking to the portion of the vote which went to republicans

. . . almost half of those who voted, which was based on perceptions about 'values' that our Democratic candidates held, but were not able to communicate effectively enough to draw support along those lines. It was not a slam on Gore, it was an affirmation of the reality of that perception gap.

[TLM]

71. Oh see how you have to make excuses about what she meant?

She bashed gore and supported the right wing lie that he lost in 2000 because of votes... when he lost because of the supreme court.


So does this mean her supporters also support her attacks on Al Gore?

[bigtree]

72. beats lying about what she said

[TLM]

76. Ok so you only support lying about Obama....

When Hill dishonest tactics are used one her statements, her supporters cry foul.


LOL!!! Go ahead and post some more about how awful it is to distort someones words to spin an attack.

[tekisui]

26. ENDORSE AL!!!!

Do it before PA. Let's end this.

[Zachstar]

34. I agree! Clinton is doing nothing but crapping on the democratic party now and enough is enough!

I urge Al Gore to endorse before the primary!

[AX10]

28. She did not name Al Gore.

I believe she was talking about the junior senator from Massachusetts.

[tekisui]

39. She mentioned the 2000 and 2004 elections.

It was clear she was talking about both.

[AX10]

42. She was talking about perceptions.

[beachmom]

48. And we won seats in 2006. So 2000 and 2004 were about the presidential candidates.

Look, Hillary (and her husband) has a record of throwing Kerry under the bus, and undermining Gore. She doesn't CARE about the issues that led to Bush winning in '00 and '04. She sure as hell didn't care at the time. She is just trying to crap all over Obama, and her latest way is to equate him with those losers Al Gore and John Kerry.

[Zachstar]

83. Turn down the RPMs on the Spin Machine

[bigtree]

47. there WAS a large segment of voters in those contests who opted for the republican nominee

based on their perception of the Democrats and their adherence or support of those values Clinton spoke of. That's just reality. This argument that she's bashing Gore in this is just bull. Our party has to be able to relate our Democratic values better. Most folks in the party admitted that after those losses and most have made strides to communicate those values more effectively. Kerry actually spoke about that in the last campaign.

[beachmom]

49. No, this is about bashing Obama for being "elitist". Hillary does not

care about what went down in '00 or '04. After all, since she wasn't running for president, what relevancy would that have to her?

[bigtree]

58. that's a convenient way to avoid being honest about what she actually said.

We still need to appeal more to those voters who haven't yet recognized that our party's values mesh with their own.

[tekisui]

51. I contend that Obama does it better than any Democrat in decades.

It is why he has done so well in red states and with crossover voters. He understands rural America. When he was explaining it to the SF crowd, it didn't come out eloquently. And, Hillary ran with it. With an assist from McCain and Norquist.

[bigtree]

62. he certainly does have a knack for communicating

but, the question (and answer) wasn't about the competition between them as much as it was an affirmation of Clinton's own resolve.

[catgirl]

63. No, it was plural

Gore was never going to endorse Hillary anyway and she knows it, so
it's time to lash out and put Obama in the same group. The funny
thing is, they all have integrity and respect.

[Tinksrival]

29. THEM FIGHTING WORDS!

PUT UP YOUR DUKES HILLARY.....I'VE HAD IT WITH YOU!!

YOU ARE NO LONGER A DEM IN MY EYES!!

[Fox Mulder]

30. It jumped the shark after Iowa.

[Mezzo]

31. " Because they were deemed" is NOT "because they were" nt

[FatDave]

99. It's also not "Because they were wrongly deemed"

Kind of like "I take him at his word" only not as bad.

[Zachstar]

32. Clinton screwed up bad with that remark!

This is the huge opening for Gore to endorse. As Clinton not have a chance now at getting the superdelegates to go to her when there are a number of them who were presidential candidates in the past.

[OzarkDem]

35. Sounds like she was talking about Kerry

Not Gore.

[AX10]

37. Gore got the mandate of the people. Kerry did not.

[book_worm]

38. so it's okay if it's Kerry she's attacking?

[bigtree]

43. Wasn't the electorate pretty much split in those elections? She spoke the truth.

Large segments of voters in 2000 and 2004 didn't believe the Democratic candidates shared or understood their values and voted for the republican nominee based on that perception and those concerns.

[beachmom]

52. The scare mongering was the #1 reason Bush was re-elected in '04.

But if you want to continue Hillary's continued dishonorable campaign, then you can. But that won't make Hillary "honest".

[bigtree]

65. attacking me personally doesn't make your argument

Polls clearly showed that, even though Democrats shared voters values and were articulating them, many voters weren't getting that. Sen. Clinton was correct.

[politicasista]

100. Yep. They are still bitter that he didn't endorse their candidate n/t

[FrenchieCat]

40. What part of 2000 and 2004 do you not understand?

Who ran in 2000?

Answer, and you won't have to ask again who Hillary was talking about. :eyes:

[Kber]

44. Makes me think there's truth to the rumor that Gore is endorsing Obama soon.

[leftynyc]

106. I've been hearing that since December

Meanwhile, out of his own mouth

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/mar/28/gore-thinks-dem-nomination-will-be-set-before/

[quantass]

53. I CANT BELIEVE SHE SLAMMED GORE!!

I guess we know where Gore's endorsement is going!

[leftynyc]

107. Where did she slam Gore?

Got a link for that?

All I saw was that she rightly said our candidates were deemed elitest by the press and the pubs. Is that not the truth?

[usregimechange]

56. Disgusting!

[symbolman]

61. IT

puts the lotion on its Skin...

She's rapidly turning into a THING at this point, she simulates a human rather badly..

[Lisa0825]

64. oooooooooooooooooh

BURN!!!!

:rofl:

[tabasco]

66. The Clintons would discard everything great and good with the Democratic party

in their ruthless, corrupt power grab.

[Guaranteed]

67. I guess that goes for primary nominations, as well.

Or, maybe some candidates just suck.

[BeyondGeography]

75. It's just a sham superdelegate argument that she should have kept to herself

now Gore will take extra pleasure in sticking it to the Clintons in June.

[leftynyc]

108. If he did it now he could

put an end to this madness. And I'd like to see where you're getting the impression he wants to stick it to the Clintons. Please point me to one quote where you get that impression. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking?

[NJmaverick]

77. I can't see how any DUer can support her after tonight

[Zachstar]

87. The same way many Supported Clinton before in my view.

They Cling to one thing they feel is their connection to Clinton in my view and then the rest of it they do not really care about in my view.

Now the question is how many will be unable to break that connection after Obama wins the nomination. There will be a few Clinton supporters that sadly will vote McCain.

[NJmaverick]

90. In all fairness Hillary is more like a republican than a democrat

so it does stand to reason they would vote for McCain

[Zachstar]

92. Their choice but it will not stop the many states that In my view will turn Blue this fall.

If Obama can handle the biggest machine in politics (The Clinton machine) Then he can handle McCain easily!

It is congress that we need to start thinking about.

[mod mom]

78. Maybe if her and Bill stood up for the Democratic voters instead of their deafening silence

in hopes of a Hillary cake-walk in '08, this country would not be in dire straights that we are. Maybe someone should get Clinton crony on record asking about his role. If Kerry/Edwards would have assumed the presidency they won in 2004, it would have ruined HRC chances to run:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)
By M.J. Rosenberg | bio

?On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

The rest is history.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[FlyingSquirrel]

80. She's right and she's wrong

She's right that Gore seemed less personable than Bush. She's wrong that she seems more personable than Barack. She's right that stupid people vote on these stupid issues. She's wrong that she can overcome her own issues by tossing back a few shots in PA.

[mod mom]

81. VIDEO HERE:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/clinton-gore-and-kerry-we_n_96452.html

[Jennos20]

84. Well he didn't win people

so stop talking about how he really won! The point is that Bush became president and Gore didn't, If Gore had won his own state of Tennessee (I can't even believe he lost his home state) maybe things would have been different. Stop living in the past and get over it. Trust.

[IsItJustMe]

85. I am not brave enough to say what needs to be said about Hillary, you did, and most thinking people

already know it in their heart.

[dkf]

88. Al Gore lost because he was saddled with Bill Clinton's indiscretions

Hillary is a tool.

[Jennos20]

89. Wait! Gore was President in 2000?

I guess I didn't get that memo either.

[Zachstar]

94. He was the elected president of the United States.

However a fraud fuck up in the system and a supreme court loyal to Bush insured that the people's voices were not heard.

History will note Bush with an asterisk and a note that he did not legally win.

[zulchzulu]

95. She trashed San Francisco AND LIED about her role as First Lady in Romania

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5489914#5491482

[leftynyc]

98. Why are you so upset?

Our candidates were deemed elitest by the pubs and the press. Is the truth now verboten?

[Whisp]

101. hmmm, makes me wonder if there was and 'uncomfortable' call

between her and Al.



wohoooooo!

[knixphan]

102. Gore is quickly becoming 'the present'

Can't wait to see how he plays off this.

[Texas Hill Country]

109. it was that close only because he was painted as elite and out of touch by Repubs