DAMNIT! I missed the debate. Who won?

[helderheid]

[gateley]

1. God. nt

[maddiejoan]

14. okay

THAT was funny!

:rofl:

[anonymous171]

59. lol

:rofl: Nice one!

[tekisui]

2. I couldn't take it.

The questions were disturbing. All christian icky stuff.

[sniffa]

3. Technically, Stephen Douglas

However, I expect big things from Congressman Lincoln.

[Hippo_Tron]

20. LMAO

[lyonn]

28. Obama is a silver tongued devil.....

He truly was impressive in that he discussed religion and faith of all kinds without offending this agnostic. He spoke more of moral issues like concern for the needs of all people. He talked jobs, health care, schools, etc..

Hillary was more into her spiritual outlook on all things in her life. Really wasn't too bad. I kidded my husband after she finished that I have changed my vote to her. She was irritating when discussing Obama's SF, closed conversations that would be so offensive to the poor and struggling.

It was Obama, hands down!

[NightWatcher]

4. good one

but Obama supporters might want to put a bottle of bubbly in the fridge :)

[helderheid]

8. Ooooooh, thanks!!!

[lyonn]

30. Oops, thought I was responding to you NightWater, see above...nt

[C_U_L8R]

5. Hillary didn't make sense

and Obama got ovations on every answer

[Lisa0825]

18. Hillary sounded like ..."people out there in our nation that don't have maps, and I believe that our

education, like such as in South Africa and the Iraq, everywhere like such as..." blah blah blah blah blah.....

[TheDonkey]

57. LOL

poor places such as South Africa and China such as.

[Andy823]

32. I noticed that also.

But I have to admit, I turned away from Hillary after about 20 minutes, she just wasn't really making a lot of sense to me, and she was not really answering the questions, of course that is par for her, isn't it?

Obama did well, and he did get a lot of applause, something I didn't hear in my 20 minutes watching Hillary!

[PBS Poll-435]

6. Campbell Brown

[Barack_America]

7. Not a debate, but Obama spoke like a person who seriously contemplates faith and politics...

Hillary came across like a politician pandering to Christians by using the "right" talking points.

[patrice]

26. Precisely right. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Hillary essentially debated herself, she doesn't know if she's a Dem or Repuke.

[rug]

10. Augustine.

[PM7nj]

11. It wasn't really a debate, they weren't on the stage at the same time.

But, in my opinion, Obama crushed Hillary.

[gateley]

33. Yeah -

no comparison between the two, although the little bit I saw of Hillary, I thought she did pretty well. (Just the last few minutes.)

[dflprincess]

12. Not the Constitution

Which both the candidates have already taken oaths to "preserve, protect and defend".

[merh]

21. I take it you missed the portions of Obamas answers where

he specifically said that he would operate the office and expect and require strict adherence to the constitution.

[dflprincess]

31. I turned to Desperate Housewives while Obama

was answering the "was the world created in 6 days question?" and never looked back.

The Constitution says there should be no religious test for office and if either candidate believed in strict adherance to the Contitution, they would not have participated in this farce.

[merh]

40. that was not a qualification for office

that was an attempt to reach out to the voters. It's a shame you don't understand the difference.

[dflprincess]

45. It was an attempt to pander to fundalmentalist voters

which has turned off many of us who believe in both God and the Constituition.

It's a shame you don't understand that.

[merh]

47. What is a shame is that you don't understand that Obama

has been subject to attacks by the right and his opponents because of his middle name, because of his knowledge of Islam and because of his preacher. The program provided him the forum to address those concerns in a reasoned and rational manner. The thing about presidential politics is that a candidate has to address all voters, ignoring certain segments is detrimental to the candidates efforts.

[dflprincess]

52. It is also foolish for a presidential candidate to offend large parts of the electorate

In my first post, Obama was not the only candidate I was criticizing for participating in this. (McCain refused to take part, this may be the only time I ever agree with anything that jerk does.)

Both Obama and Clinton feel that they can ignore the left wing of the party because we have no where else to go in November and they assume we will fall in line. I have said all along that I will vote for the nominee but, damn, I wish I had something other than these two to choose from. They are both making it harder and harder to stick with them and it makes me worry more that McCain will win this.

[merh]

54. LOL, as if the left wing is composed only of those who are non

Christian. Do you realize that there are Chrisitian left wing party members who may have actually appreciated someone giving voice to the fact that Chrisitianity can go hand in hand with their values and membership in the party?

If the forum were state sponsored then your concerns regarding a qualification for office would be legitimate. As it was not and as it gave free press time for the candidates to be heard on issues that matter to members of the party it would seem that your concerns are missplaced.

[IsItJustMe]

55. You are absolutly correct. In fact, I know of left wing christians and they are very much against

this war in Iraq. One of them has a bumper sticker on their car that says, "WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB." I am not religios but I don't understand why some folk need to try to paint all religions as being fundamentalist. They are not. FACT

[dflprincess]

58. I find it odd that because I refer to my self as a member of the left wing

and because I object to this forum that you have apparently assumed that I am not a Christian. While I am no longer a practicing Catholic, I still believe and I've often said it was the nuns I had for Catechism that turned me into a liberal - what with teaching me the Works of Mercy and all. I know several Christians - many who are active in their churches - who are not comfortable with this mixing of church and state. What if one of the candidates were not Christian? I don't care who is asking the questions, it is not appropriate to ask candidates questions about the Bible (or any othter holy bookd).

[merh]

60. Not at all, I noted where you said you believed in God.

You are the one that continues to appear to be confused. Why is it the religious folks aren't entitled to such a program, a chance to hear the candidates on issues that matter to them? Why should they be shut out or marginalized? They vote and they have questions, so what if those questions are answered. As I have said, it was free press time and a chance for both candidates to answer questions from the voters. Neither one had to appear. It isn't a state sponsored forum so that kills your concerns about qualifications for office.

I don't understand why it bothers you so much.

If one of the candidates were not christian then they would have turned down the show. No biggie at all.

I just don't get why you think their opinions are off limits?

[dflprincess]

61. Because we do not live in a theocracy

no matter how much some people want us to.

[merh]

62. Answering questions put forthy by scientist does not equate to

living only a scientific life or that the nation is a strictly scientific nation or culture.

No one has tried to make it a theocracy, one sit down before folks at a religious campus that is aired won't make this a theocracy. LOL, do you realize how often candidates make these type of appearances? This one just happened to be televised and I am glad, it gave folks who worry about Obama Hussien and rev, black liberation, wright and that whole muslim thing, a chance to hear that he is none of what they fear. An informational that he didn't have to pay for.

[dflprincess]

63. The people who "worry about Obama Hussien" and

"the whole Muslim" thing aren't apt to support him anyway regardless of how much he assures them he loves Jesus.

[merh]

64. no, but they are apt to spread rumors

that are like a fungus.

There was no harm to that program, an infomercial that was paid for by others - it didn't threaten religious freedom and those who didn't like it had the option of shutting it off.

LOL - go check their speaking engagements and see how many religious crowds, churches, universities are on their schedules.

[dflprincess]

65. As far as I'm concerned, any church or religious group that has a candidate

into speak should have it's tax exempt status yanked. That is crossing the line and just because a lot of them do it, doesn't make it right. And it is insulting and should be threatening to those who do not adhere to Christian beliefs that candidates for public office spend so much time pandering to one religious group.

[merh]

66. I see your outrage

and raise you a "no big deal" - you can't ignore the religious folks and having speakers in to speak does not equate to indoctrinations or supporting one candidate over another, it definitely doesn't even come close to crossing into the "keep the church out of the state" realm.

Religious folks are voters to - answering their questions is not pandering. I suppose you missed a very crucial element of last nights "talks" - there were religious folks from all religions, it wasn't just the wild eyed fundies.

Religious folks have freedoms too.

[quantass]

13. Wasn't a debate...was a discussion....CNN spokespeople (2 so far) say Obama was better

in terms of grace at answers with the connection with faith in it.

[Zhade]

15. How many lies did clinton tell? We've got a pool going.

(Not really, but it'd be a way to earn some quick money!)

[Lisa0825]

22. Well she told the truth when...

she dissed Gore... At least she is owning up to her spite.

[book_worm]

16. The one who didn't attack fellow democrats Gore and Kerry.

[Cha]

35. Exactly.. Such an easy answer..

You got it!

[Skittles]

17. no one did - they SUCK just for AGREEING to participate in such a sham n/t

[patrice]

19. Hillary carried on the Bitter Battle again. nt

[MADem]

23. Turn on CNN .....they will rerun it....

I switched to John Adams. It was stultifying.

[madrchsod]

24. i thought i did by watching the "night of to many stars"

but a lot of it has sucked so far

[ruggerson]

25. What was amusing were the reactions here

Clinton threw Bush a bit of praise.

Reaction: skank, evil bitch, Repuke whore.

Obama threw Bush a bit of praise.

Reaction:

[sniffa]

27. Reaction:

Another uncivil post by me.

[gateley]

34. And this uncivil DUer loves it! nt

[sniffa]

37. Thanks. But thank Rolling Stone

It's from the issue with Barack on the cover. :D

[gateley]

38. Well thank YOU for bringing it to my attention! nt

[gateley]

39. PS --

Your avatar is KILLING me! :rofl:

[sniffa]

44. Thank you

Imitation is the sincerest form of mockery. :D

[ThePhilosopher04]

29. I'll answer it this way...

Campbell Brown said at the opening that Clinton won the toss and elected to go first. My first thought was that it was mistake and that she should have chosen to go last in order to get a feel for the questions and have the last word. However, upon further reflection, there's no doubt she would have embarrassed herself greatly had she followed Obama. As it was, he completely overwhelmed her to the point that I can't remember anything she said other than her attempts to fan the "bitter" flames. If I were advising her campaign, I would never allow her to be on the same stage as Obama.

[lyonn]

36. Curious that Hillary was not shaking hands afterwards

Did she not know that there would be a meet and greet going on, or, did Obama just choose to take advantage of the opportunity. He was popular...

[Gore1FL]

51. She elected to go first????

She complained about going first in an earlier debate.

[NJmaverick]

41. Obama won in a slam dunk win

Hillary was awkward as she tried to pretend she had compassion. Plus she pissed off many democrats with her attacks on liberals and great democrats and the city of San Fransisco. Obama was quite comfortable talking about his faith and compassion

[depakid]

42. Republicans and the corporate media

[RememberWellstone]

43. Hillary..Obama slurred alot

he said mmmmmmmmm and uhhhhhhhhhhhhh too much. He's incoherent at times.

[ThePhilosopher04]

46. If you find Obama incoherent...

I would suggest the problem is on your end and not his. He may be the most articulate speaker in our lifetime.

[housewolf]

53. Articulate... Yes! ... but he DOES use a lot of fillers...

ah's, ums, etc., between his words when speaking extemporaneously as he processes what he's going to say. He doesn't use them in his prepared speeches. And he'd be an even more powerful speaker if he could train himself to not use them.

[ThePhilosopher04]

56. Which is why he comes across

as more genuine. Using "ahs and ums" is typical in ordinary, casual conversation and it's obvious he's being thoughtful about what he's saying instead of rattling off a list of talking points or rehearsed remarks. He wasn't giving a speech, he was answering questions in a conversational setting.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

48. Remember Wellstone, I have asked you this question before.

If Obama is the nominee will you vote for him.

I will vote for your candidate, Hillary, because I am a dem.


What are you? Why don't you answer me this time.

[RememberWellstone]

50. You were on ignore for a month

Because of your hate-filled attacks on the former first lady and Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. You act as though Obama is the second coming. Newsflash: He's not all of that and I am afraid you will find that out the hard way.

[quantass]

49. Hillary had a lot of "uhhhhh" moments today but i think nothing of it because

its not the issue....who cares...for the record Obama was totally fine and you are over exaggerating it for some strange reason....re-watch hillary and tell me she didnt "uhhhh" a number of times because i find it silly to think that means anything....I tihnk the big issue here is that people like CNN's spokespeople though Obama was better prepared and if there was such a winner he won it....again, at least according to them!

And btw...please answer the question posed by sorrybushisfromtexas ... i do notice you avoid answering too!