Obama turns tables on Clinton

[Hepburn]

STEELTON, Penn. - Democrat Barack Obama lashed out Sunday at rival Hillary Rodham Clinton, mocking her vocal support for gun rights and saying her record in the Senate and as first lady belied her stated commitment to working class voters and their concerns.

<snip>

Then, laughing along with the union audience, Obama noted that Clinton seemed much more interested in guns since he made his comments than she had in the past.

"She is running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment. She's talking like she's Annie Oakley," Obama said, invoking the famed female sharpshooter immortalized in the musical "Annie Get Your Gun."

He continued: "Hillary Clinton is out there like she's on the duck blind every Sunday. She's packing a six-shooter. Come on, she knows better. That's some politics being played by Hillary Clinton."

More...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_el_pr/obama

Obama ran rings around Hillary today ~~ GOBAMA!

[AlinPA]

1. Guys in my Sportsmens Club loved that "Annie Oakley" line. While they all aren't

big Obama fans they loved his comeback to Hillary.

[goren]

50. Hillary's gun experience

Dick Cheney challenged Hillary to a hunting trip with him at bostonherald.com. In the article, she states that she misspoke about her gun experience.

I didn't see this posted here anywhere.

[papau]

Obama campaign is all smear and mock and then scream racist at everyone not for him

[Yael]

3. Wouldn't you be more productive off banging a wooden spoon against a pot somewhere?

Seriously.

[cliffordu]

5. LOL!!

[JimGinPA]

7. "Banging A Wooden Spoon Against A Pot"

:spray:



:rofl:


That cracked me up!

[Hepburn]

11. Absolutely!

Yes, of course....that really works! :rofl:

[Zachstar]

17. BUWAHAHaHA!!

Haha Nice!

[ampad]

27. LOL

:rofl: sorry nothing productive to add.

[Willo]

34. ROFL!

[Major Hogwash]

41. Hahahahaha! OMG!

I can't believe it. That sounded just like my best friend's dad from years ago!

LoL

[Tarheel_Dem]

45. ROTFLMAO..........

I NOMINATE YOURS FOR FUNNIEST DAMN POST OF THE YEAR!
:rofl::spray: :rofl::spray: :rofl::spray: :rofl::spray: :rofl: :spray: :rofl::spray: :rofl::spray: :rofl::spray: :rofl::spray: :rofl:

[Kahuna]

71. I love you Yael!!!!! You're my new hero..

:rofl:

[smiley_glad_hands]

16. Well at least he hasn't endeared himself to conservative ideaology and framing techniques in order

to bash fellow dems and the party.

[Road Scholar]

65. Smear? Jesus I don't even believe you said that after all, that's

what Hillary's campaign is all about. Damn!

[Yael]

2. I heard snippets of that tonight on the post-event blather

:D

[Adelante]

6. The video is up in the video forum

If you haven't seen it, it's a total smackdown.

[Yael]

8. I KNEW someone would be on this.

Thanks! Will go look for it now...

[Cha]

20. Thanks! WesDem..

Obama wants to see that pic of hilary out there on the duck blind! He cracked me.."Annie Oakley with her 6 shooter" B-)

Video of Obama handing hilary her disingenous head to her..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x118165

[NJmaverick]

4. Obama finally stood up and gave her a long deserved verbal tongue lashing

good for Obama. Now he can get back to what he does best.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. About time! Hillary's been talkin' smack for WAY too long!

[DearAbby]

9. Calamity Hillary...

she's got her six-gun at her side...giddy-ap giddy ap!

Now she was packing heat, when she ducked for cover in Tuzla Bosnia, under relentless sniperfire....

[file83]

72. Hillary-the-Kid...

[DearAbby]

10. excuse me

DU Belch :blush:

[Tatiana]

12. "Hillary get your gun!!!!!" That line is begging for a photoshop....

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[EVDebs]

66. Guns PLURAL. DoD loves her and puts $ where her mouth is.

"Senator Clinton took in $52,600, more than half of the total going to all Democrats, and a figure equaling 60 percent of the sum going to the entire GOP field. Her closest competitor for defense industry money is former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney (R.), who raised $32,000."

http://politicalinquirer.com/2007/10/19/hillary-clinton-receives-the-largest-number-of-military-donationsfrom-the-defense-industry/

[BlueIdaho]

13. Annie Miss-Spokely nt.

[Hepburn]

14. Good one! n/t

[bridgit]

15. I thought he was shrill, and resorted to near smirking derision, I don't think he deals very well...

with people suggesting he's not 'with it', not fresh & fly. It's an ego thing. He's pissy & thin skinned, and all he really has is condescension imo I'd really like to hear more of his proposals (please don't send me to his website I've been there, I'd like to hear his voice on such matters), and less of "People want change and that's why I'm running for president of the united states"

[smiley_glad_hands]

19. Yeah and Hilliary looks more and more contrived every day.

Clinging on to the politics of division like its some kind of life preserver. Her campaign is sinking so she resorts to her true colors. I used to have nice things to say about the clintons and gave them the benefit of the doubt.

Rove would be proud. She does admire him.

[bridgit]

21. You just keep those talking points right where you can get at them quick...

Rove has clearly appealed to your reptilian brain: fight or flight, as those are your only two options, good job comrade who'z it, *you're* making Heir Karl very proud :thumbsup:

[smiley_glad_hands]

26. Those are my words.

Hilliary has openly stated that she admires Rove btw. Why does she embrace republican frames with such ease, these same frames that have hurt the democratic party and the progressive movement since the passing of civil rights legislation. It is apparent that she is part of the problem and not the solution.

Lastly the best you can do is to call me reptilian? Look in the mirror. Hill is behind, she can't win. In her desperation, her fight or flight response, she has chosen to embrace conservative ideology in order to tear a fellow democrat and the party down.

You cannot deny that the politics of division have gotten us to where we are. You cannot deny that Hilliary is carrying the conservative banner in this regard.

[bridgit]

29. Obama said he admired Reagan, and G.H.W. Bush's approach to foreign policy...

and tonight he said g.w. bush was cool on faith based programs...you can't even keep up with your own guy, sheesh :rofl:

[smiley_glad_hands]

31. But he never promulgated republican frames at the detriment to his party.

Why does she embrace republican frames? Answer it or shut up.

[bridgit]

32. Very well, what "frames" are you referring to answer it or STFU!!

Try to be specific

[smiley_glad_hands]

33. She refuses to recognize:

that republicans have been using the politics of division and culture wars since the passing of civil rights legislation in the 60's to divide the working class to the point that they vote against there own economic interests. Not only does she refuse the truth but attacks Obama for stating it.

Is that easy enough for you to understand. She has justified the abuse the conservative movement has done to our nation for the past 30+ years. She is a republican enabler.

[bridgit]

36. You're talking out your bleep! But Obama is not immune to these very things you blame others for...

You only think he is, cause you like him. And now everyone has to go home with melted ice cream cause what? You say so? Muse upon why Obama supported Cheney's (he's a republican too ya'know :eyes:) secret, closed door energy scam riddle me that Batman: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213 Theeeee culmination of conservative abuse wrought upon this nation for no-bid crony war & war profiteering, pft...it's right there, the vote count, in the senate, not smoke & mirrors my god pull your head out of your ass

"promulgated republican frames at the detriment to his party" so verbose, so hoity toity; simply too so very precious good luck with that :rofl:

[smiley_glad_hands]

40. LOL, Obama wasn't even in the senate when that went down.

Nice try.

BTW, you never answered the question (I'll be more specific): Why does Hilliary not recognize that republicans have been using the politics of division and culture wars for the past 30+ years to divide the working class into voting against their own economic interests?

Since you refuse to answer the question this will be my last response until you do.

[bridgit]

42. OMG you didn't even click the link, you are a true blue BHO supporter...

ignorant and proud of it. And they say you people are all about the inner-tubes. It isn't about the war ya'duuph. It's about Cheney's energy bill, and oh by the way they are all Cheney's energy bills. Obama's name is right there here allow me to copy paste for you ya'poor thing: Obama (D-IL), Yea

Obama was seated January 4, 2005. He voted for that Cheney trash July 29, 2005, 12:50 PM, a mere 6-ish months later OMG OMG you're the most simple-minded one yet be proud you're doing a bang up job :thumbsup:

Until you're prepared to be intelligent, you do not deserve an answer to your sad, feeble question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

[smiley_glad_hands]

43. You can't answer the damn question.

I clicked your link and I see nothing on the page that describes what you said. Change the subject much? Guess that says something about your intellgence. Cant't come up with an answer so you just avoid it. My sad feeble question? lol You show your true colors with that statement. If you can't understand the premise of my question then you should be here: www.freerepublic.com instead of here.

Now, answer my question and stop trying to change the subject.

You can't answer it. Why? Because you know she is wrong.

BTW, I haven't always been an Obama supporter.

Until you're prepared to answer the fucking question stfu.

On edit: Obama was not in the senate when Cheney's secret meetings went down.

[bridgit]

44. Here's the full copy/paste, it...does...not...matter if Obama was there when the 'meeting' went down

the policy has been playing out ever since; it's playing out even today with 4 bucks a gallon gas. Here's your copy/paste, but you have to be willing & able to read:


U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 1st Session as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Conference Report (Conference Report H. R. 6 )
Vote Number: 213 Vote Date: July 29, 2005, 12:50 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Conference Report Agreed to
Measure Number: H.R. 6
Measure Title: A bill to ensure jobs for our future with secure, affordable, and reliable energy.
Vote Counts: YEAs 74
NAYs 26
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Nay
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea (that means 'yes', Yea means: yes!)
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Nay
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

As VP Dick Cheney is President *OF* the Senate http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/senators/a_three_sections_with_teasers/leadership.htm so I figure Obama was just trying to kiss some ass, but you...you are pointless and hopless and no longer worth my time so fire away, be all that you can be

[smiley_glad_hands]

54. Stop obfuscating and answer the question at hand.

Still trying to change the subject.

[damonm]

70. Your Link Fu is weak, grasshopper...

your link had NOTHING TO DO with Cheney's energy task force and was in fact another bill.

Try again.

From Wikipedia:

The National Energy Policy Development Group was a group, created by Executive Order on January 29, 2001, that was chaired by Vice President Richard Cheney. The group, commonly referred to as the "Cheney Energy Task Force," produced a National Energy Policy report in May 2001.

(emphasis added) THIS was Cheney's bit - Obama was in the Illinois State Legislature at the time.

Please check your facts BEFORE you are so easily:

[merh]

48. bridgit you know I have a great deal of respect for you

but you need to look at who hillary lists as one of her favorite presidents on her website. Yes, it is St. Raygun.

And how did Bill Clinton's foreign policy differ from Reagan's or Poppy's?

Bill supported and complimented Poppy for Gulf War I and continued the illegal no fly zones over Iraq, he even increased our military there and those no fly zones are what gave baby george a foothold or a "reason" for the invasion on iraq. (they were shooting at us, they violated the cease fire, but yet our presence was a violation) Bill even spoke highly of Reagan and said he would like to run his presidency like Reagans.

Bill began those no bid contracts - Halliburton received no bid contracts for work in Bosnia and Kosovo under clinton.

Bill began the extraordinary renditions in 1995.

Hillary said GWB has done good things and he has said she would make a great president.

The Clinton presidency set the ground work for where we are today and he did not go after those responsible for the BCCI crimes, many of whom were instrumental in the first years of the GWB admin and the invasion of Iraq.

So really, what you post is of very little consequence.

[bridgit]

59. Hey merh, don't have allot of time gotta go to work...but I hear you...

Politicians are politicians. But B. Clinton's not just foreign policy but war planning was leagues different in that he authorized was from 17,5...way up there. Putting few forces on the ground as fodder & targets.

Unless you are prepared to just sit here and absorb strike after strike behind platitudes and bloody bandages, Dem presidents should be required to view the world as potentially dangerous. Rendition = Straw Dogs...and I think we have already agreed that there are those moments when all bets are off. It may be when swaggering, pernicious tyranny walks into your living and kicks your dog...but I will not fault you for rising to that occasion. But this is the sort of double-speak that rends "post(s) is of very little consequence" into turn-a-bout is more than fair play @ DU...

"but you need to look at who hillary lists as one of her favorite presidents on her website. Yes, it is St. Raygun"

If by agreeing with every republican Obama has put on the SCOTUS, or made AG, or voted for their energy plan? Then you should be voting for Hillary, right?

If there really is no difference :patriot:

Lady Bird Johnson had stock in KBR, a wholly owned subsidiary of Halliburton ;)

[merh]

63. There is a difference

One huge difference - experience tells us the clintons just play the game and used our nation, she is using rovian tactics and doesn't give a damn about the party, sure the hell can't give a damn about the nation. I've challenged folks to see what she did relative to Katrina and what Obama has done, go read my journal, I've written on it before. That's a kicker for me, he has done things, she could care less.

And the huge difference, he isn't entrenched in the good ole boy system, he isn't owing a thing - is he playing it down the middle - you betcha, to win. Once he has office I see him as someone that wants to make the world better, not one who wants to use the position for clout and blow jobs and money.

Clintons are evil, known evil -- I'll take my chances with the fella that culturally is beyond anything the clintons could ever be and that sets him worlds above them. Upbringing and where you came from makes a difference.

[damonm]

69. Provide quotes...

And I will shoot them full of holes.

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. AHEM.....thanks to DU'er DianeR for finding this little gem.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

"The Rove Legacy

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 15, 2007; Page A03

As he packs his desk just 15 steps from the Oval Office, Karl Rove says he will not join any 2008 presidential campaign. That's just as well because none of the Republican candidates presumably could afford the association even if they wanted his strategic smarts. Besides, none of them is running the campaign quite the way he would. The candidate who seems to be adopting his style and methods the most so far? Hillary Rodham Clinton.

At least that's what Nicolle Wallace thinks. The former Bush White House communications director, who worked closely with Rove, said that Clinton "has almost operationalized the whole idea of turning your weakness into strength, message discipline that is almost pathological -- she does not get off message for any reason -- and never skipping an opportunity to exploit her opponent's weaknesses."

<snip>

The Clintons recognize the skill Rove has brought to politics and admire his craft, if not his ideology. Just days after the November 2004 election, Bill Clinton pulled Rove aside at the dedication of the William J. Clinton Presidential Library in Arkansas. "Hey, you did a marvelous job, it was just marvelous what you did," Clinton told Rove, according to the book "The Way to Win: Taking the White House in 2008," by John F. Harris and Mark Halperin. "I want to get you down to the library. I want to talk politics with you. You just did an incredible job, and I'd like to really get together with you and I think we could have a great conversation."

<snip>


And why not? Harris and Halperin wrote last year that Rove and the Clintons shared some of the same understandings of how politics work, and the two authors even crafted a list they titled "What Hillary Clinton and Karl Rove Know About the Way to Win the White House in 2008." Clinton, they wrote, has "borrowed some strategies" from Rove for dealing with the news media, enemies and anticipated attacks. "Like Karl Rove," they wrote, "Hillary Clinton knows that playing offense is better than playing defense. . . . Hillary Clinton obviously dislikes Bush's policy goals, but she appreciates some of the methods he has used to achieve them."

<snip>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5478861

[merh]

51. thank you both for this interesting read

n/t

[Willo]

35. Report to #3 for further directions. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. n/t

[bridgit]

37. Sieg Heil!!

[Willo]

38. LOL, did you forget the rest?

[bridgit]

39. No, Mr. Bunny is enough for me...

[roguevalley]

46. amazing how many times he is framed with condescending and

with ego and cocky. In my day, during Jim Crow, when you wanted to slam a black man you called them those things. condescending=cocky=uppity=racism.

not fresh or fly.

God.

[Name removed]

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[Zachstar]

18. He kicked ass!!!

Clinton take your Republican like crap elseware!!

[TML]

22. Did you see the full video?

It is freakin' Hill-larious!

[madrchsod]

23. i liked these comments

"She knows better" "a little disappointed" to be criticized by Clinton" "Come on, she knows better". interesting debating skills..he`d make a very good trial lawyer...

[Zachstar]

24. Kick!

:kick:

[slinkerwink]

25. I thought this was great!

[lligrd]

28. K&R

[ampad]

30. LOL

I thought it was awesome and you could tell the crowd was laughing their asses off at her. I cracked up at the Annie Oakley line, serves her right. Hey Hillary get that six shooter! LMAO :rof:

[Dbdmjs1022]

49. Hillary's spin tomorrow: I turned the table myself...

I needed it for protection from the sniper fire.

[PoliticalAmazon]

73. Prediction: LET THE BLUBBERING BEGIN!!...

...Her audience had better wear their raincoats and galoshes because she will be blubbering up a storm tomorrow.

[Quixote1818]

52. K and R

[Eurobabe]

53. Barack is BRILLIANT. Annie Oakley, BWAHAAHHA!!!!

[DemVet]

55. And Obama supporter say Hillary is running a negative campaign. Obama is worse.

[Bensthename]

57. LMFAO.. That is funny.. Good one.

[Bensthename]

58. Only thing Hillary ever shot is her mouth.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. Good one! Every time she opens her mouth, she sounds more and more like a Rethug.

[Hepburn]

62. Isn't that the absolute truth!

Good one...:hi:

[me b zola]

64. "Error: You've already recommended that thread"

Senator Oakly (NY,R)

[Kurovski]

67. K&R. (nt)

[myrna minx]

68. K&R. n/t