12 reasons 'bitter' is bad for Obama - The "bitter end" of the Obama campaign?

[Hoof Hearted]

A Clinton comeback was looking far-fetched. But operatives in both parties were buzzing about that possibility Saturday following the revelation that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told wealthy San Franciscans that small-town Pennsylvanians and Midwesterners “cling to guns or religion” because they are “bitter” about their economic status.
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Obama at first dug in on that contention Friday after audio of the private fundraiser was posted by The Huffington Post. Altering course, on Saturday in Muncie, Ind., he conceded that he “didn’t say it as well as I should have.” And he told the Winston-Salem (N.C.) Journal that “obviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that. ... The underlying truth of what I said remains, which is simply that people who have seen their way of life upended because of economic distress are frustrated and rightfully so."

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In fact, this is a potential turning point for Obama’s campaign — an episode that could be even more damaging than the attention to remarks by his minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, since this time the controversial words came out of his own mouth.

Here are a dozen reasons why:



http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080412/pl_politico/9561;_ylt=AgyogsnFpSW.efHG.0lgHJ1h24cA

[NJmaverick]

1. After hillary's attacks on all the Democratic party values and leaders

how on earth can you support her?????

[FlyingSquirrel]

2. I don't even need to check the link

There is no way the Obama campaign is gonna be derailed by a Rove-like attack saying he's "elitist" when he made so much less than Clinton.

[Hoof Hearted]

7. It's a yahoo news link with over 1600 votes so, it is being read.

Honest question, do you think this is going to go away?

[smiley_glad_hands]

12. It will only hurt Hill in the long run.

She and the republicans are the ones out of touch. The politics of division have distracted the working class long enough.

[Hoof Hearted]

19. Unlikely.

[FlyingSquirrel]

14. Honest answer....

Yes.

And I think that it's obvious by now that Clinton is toast. Even if she were to win, Obama's been clearly holding his punches and the Repugs won't be doing that.

[Hoof Hearted]

22. I think you'll be shocked at how much play this will pick up, starting tomorrow

and Obama, holding punches? :rofl:

OK. But I guess we'll just have to disagree, and wait to see what time brings.

[stillcool]

28. I wonder how much play this will get?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo

[jackson_dem]

36. Ironic isn't it? Snipergate broke over the weekend too

All weekend Obamites were rubbing their hands with glee in the expectation that it would hurt Clinton when people tuned back into politics on Monday. They were Wright. Now they think this will blow over and are totally unprepared for what is coming. This isn't another classic instance of a politician padding a resume. This is a politician--the front runner for the presidency--being exposed as a bigot towards small town people and in one sentence managing to offend people who are religious, or own guns, or oppose "free" trade that Obama believes in, or is concerned about illegal immigration. This is worse than "macaca" which targeted a small number of people. Obama went after everybody. The ace in the hole Obama has is the fact the msm is in his corner and they may bail him out of this like they did with pastorgate. Of course if he makes it to the general election you will never hear the end of this in the msm...

[Hoof Hearted]

49. and they can't cry about context with this one either - context only damns him further

Boo hoo-ing to rich San Fransisco donors about why he's having trouble with those unruly rubes in PA.

[jackson_dem]

53. Yup!This is why Obamites are bitter:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080414/pl_afp/usvotedemocrats_080414013757

Quote:


WASHINGTON (AFP) - The outcome of the Democratic presidential primary in Pennsylvania, pitting Hillary Clinton against Barack Obama April 22, could sway undecided "super-delegates" now expected to decide who gets the party's nod.



Quote:


The candidate who manages to convince them that she or he is the party's best hope in the general election against presumptive Republican nominee John McCain is all but a shoo-in for the Democratic nomination.

"The superdelegates attempt to look at electability, and there is still a lot of water to go over the dam on that subject before most of them have to commit," Phil Bredesen, the Tennessee governor and an undecided superdelegate, told The Wall Street Journal recently.



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But in the event Clinton were to win in Pennsylvania, where she is the favorite, and then go on to win Indiana May 6, the snowballing momentum could start sending more undecided superdelegates under the Clinton tent.

[roguevalley]

62. PA rubes. Rich San Fran. Why do you hate country people? Why

do you hate America, hoo-fhearted?

[Hoof Hearted]

84. What say you today about the story "going away?"

[roguevalley]

60. wake me when the count gets to 160 million. Go away? Yes. I do.

Obama is right and if you were intellectually honest, you wouldn't have bought McCain and Clinton's bs.

[Hoof Hearted]

86. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish, but I'm sure you fail.

[dchill]

80. Have you seen the video of the crowd response...

this a.m.? We all know that the Hillary Camp is bitter. It's OK.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24109989#24109989

[Butch350]

91. What's the....

Weather like on your planet?

[Rockholm]

29. It's not all about money.

She has class, where Obama has none.

[FrenchieCat]

3. Yawn......

Let's see.....we have 10 days and one debate to go.

you'd think he was caught with a dead girl in his bed or something!

You're so funny when you try to be serious! :rofl:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5484088

[Hoof Hearted]

9. Thanks for kicking my thread

:hi:

[jackson_dem]

54. Good point. He usually loses debates so he will go down even more than just based on smalltowngate

[roguevalley]

63. you know, she could always shoot him in the face with her little

gun there. HEY, LITTLE LAD- BLAM!

[EVDebs]

4. Obama's right. Jim Wallis's book The Great Awakening shows us that

In fact, Wallis's book and campaign for a Great Awakening should be something the Obama campaign could JOIN.

[Hoof Hearted]

23. "the movement" does not join.

[EVDebs]

26. Tell that to Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. A 5th Great Awakening is needed NOW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Awakening

and Obama's people better wake up and join or risk losing everything they've fought so hard for. I used to be for Edwards and now Obama's the only one with a chance. Don't blow this one, please.

[DearAbby]

5. You people just don't get it

Obama laid this to rest, child. like with the Wright "manufactured scandal" this one just laid down and died...but hey keep beating the dead horse. People are Pissed, being pissed won us the majority in 06 and will win the white house and majority in November.

Now carry on beating that dead horse.

:hi:

[Hoof Hearted]

46. It does not appear to be resting very well, does it?

[DearAbby]

56. Don't you have a dead horse to beat?

:hi:

[Andy823]

6. You are funny!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

What more can I say! Hillary cooked her goose on this one, because millions of us are "bitter" with what has been the standard in D.C., the same standard she would continue if by some miracle she did become president!

[bobthedrummer]

8. "49 reasons all in a line, all of them good ones-all of them LIES..."

"49 Bye-byes" by CSN dedicated to Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters that post this meaningless crap article.

[sniffa]

10. 88 Lines About 88 Hillbots

Yes, I'm now no better, but it's another chance to say, there's no need to respond to such threads.

[bobthedrummer]

17. "I've got 1,2,3,4-5 senses working overtime..."

:D

[smiley_glad_hands]

11. More like the last throes of the Clinton campaign.

She will be bitter when the nomination goes to Obama.

[ThePhilosopher04]

13. The desperation is so thick...

you could build a house on it. If it weren't so sad, it would be "Hillaryious!"

[JohnnyLib2]

15. Don't know about "turning point," but it ain't over; the local and county

Dem leaders in a lot of states will be buzzing this week. We'll see....

Rec.

[InsultComicDog]

16. Go ahead, put your money on Hillary on Intrade.

I dare you.

[Hoof Hearted]

21. Is that a double-dog dare?

I left behind playground debate tactics long ago.

[InsultComicDog]

72. "playground debate tactics"

are what this thread is all about.

As in "Ooo, he stepped in it, he's gonna lose now!"

This whole manufactured concern will go over like a lead balloon.

[CakeGrrl]

18. Yeah, real damaging for Obama today

having picked up another Superdelegate and THREE newspaper endorsements, including 2 in PA, after the so-called "controversy" breaks.

If that's damage, bring it on.

[ThePhilosopher04]

25. The irony...

is that the more this drags out, the more it benefits Obama. He clearly comes across as someone who "gets it" when it comes to the plight of the "bitter people" and Clinton seems to be in fantasy land. To put it bluntly, she's a horrible politician.

[roguevalley]

66. I can't wait for the debate. she is going to look so bad and because

she brought things up, he can explain how the clinton years didn't lift these towns out of poverty. She is a total dork.

[ladywnch]

58. don't forget the 21 small and rural PA towns listed in the open letter

to Pennsylvanians tellinng them to reject Hillary and McCain's attacks over the 'bitter' remark.....including Scranton....the place where Hillary made her remarks about Obama being out of touch.

Yeah, he is certainly toast.

[durrrty libby]

20. "Caller to c-span nails the crux of O'Bama's offensive remarks

about small town Pennsylvanians

"Truer words. This articulate caller gets the media’s mis-focus on his remarks. She gets what Obama was saying: that small-minded small-town Pennsylvanians are bigots. She also gets that his comments will do longterm damage to his candidacy (particularly if he’s the nominee in the general election).

For more on the longterm damage, see the comments of Mayor Steve Reed of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania yesterday on a conference call" …





For video

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/13/florida-caller-to-c-span-nails-the-crux-of-obamas-offensive-remarks-about-small-town-pennsylvanians/

[Hoof Hearted]

27. whoa. thanks for the video!

[FogerRox]

31. Larry Johnson is a known partisian,

[durrrty libby]

34. LArry Johnson is not the caller. He is hosting the video.Why act dumb?

:shrug: :dunce: :scared:

[roguevalley]

68. did he finally pay up on his website? I saw that it was shut down for

nonpayment the other day, the dork.

[rodeodance]

39. Killing the messenger is a rovian tactic. but go ahead. keep your head in the sand

[CreekDog]

88. funny you condemn the behavior unless used against Obama

:hi:

[roguevalley]

67. yawn. i want to see her shoot something. Maybe those snipers.

[EVDebs]

78. The only other options are two candidates who'll stay in Iraq past 2013

That's what's known as a Hobbesian choice. I'll stick with Obama, thankyouverymuch.

[RememberWellstone]

85. I feel the same way.

Elitism: is the belief or attitude that those individuals who are considered members of the elite — a select group of people with outstanding personal abilities, intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes.

It's not just your unpbringing, it's who you "think" you are.

[Zhade]

24. clinton's a proven liar. Try again.

NT!

[GoldieAZ49]

30. It is a cumulative effect of all the Obama Dramas

his blank screen is not so blank anymore

[Hoof Hearted]

33. Bingo!

[Catchawave]

32. The veterans are miffed at him too...

I can't believe the spew my husband gets from his old Viet Nam units' e-lists about Obama's "patriotism".

However, people who get miffed about not putting your hand over your heart during the anthem aren't going to vote for him anyhow.

Though he is managing to pick up "bitter" groups from all walks of life :silly:

[cliffordu]

64. Ah, Bullshit, Part duh

[roguevalley]

69. hey, catchawave, tell those 'patriots' to go fuck themselves. My

grandpa, a WWI vet, never put his hand over his heart. HE STOOD WITH HIS HANDS TOGETHER LIKE OBAMA, just like everyone else in the country until RONALD REAGAN DID THE HEART SHIT. RONALD REAGAN. I'm not surprised those idiots are miffed. Obama isn't acting like Uncle Ronny. And your last sentence doesn't make sense.

[Catchawave]

76. That's not very nice.

Veterans make up a very important demographic in politics. Telling them to eff off is what loses elections for Dems.

[EVDebs]

79. 200K banking jobs are being cut soon. We'll ALL be bitter if the GOP keeps up their "good work"

Please join the Great Awakening, as Jim Wallis' Sojourners (sojo.org) puts it. Obama would do well to begin mentioning this since the subtitle of the book will defuse all debate, including this one:

The Great Awakening: Reviving Faith & Politics in a Post-Religious Right America by Jim Wallis

[jackson_dem]

35. An end to his campaign? That would be Obama change I could believe in

;)

[Hoof Hearted]

40. LOL! n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

47. Got Hope?

[jackson_dem]

57. lol yes. YES HE CAN (lose)!

[rodeodance]

37. REC

[LulaMay]

38. He bowled in a tie and talked about how expensive arugula is. Hilarious.

[Hoof Hearted]

42. I caught the bowling in a tie, but missed the arugula.

If I ask 20 people in my town tomorrow what arugula is, I'd be surprised to find one who could tell me.

I didn't know what the hell it was.

[polmaven]

50. Um,

Can you fill me in on what it is?

I'm a typical bitter white person who doesn't know.

[Hoof Hearted]

55. It's Harvard for "lettuce," apparently.

I call it - lettuce.

[roguevalley]

70. you must have gone to a community college, hoof hearted. Arugala

is an ANNUAL HERB.

[Hoof Hearted]

77. Ah, thanks so much for reinforcing the "elitist snobbery" meme. You're doing well!

[roguevalley]

81. there's nothing elitist about being correct. And as the product of a community

college, I see nothing wrong with it. However, your snobbering about Harvard and Yale are apparent and laughable. Now, go eat some arugala.

[Hoof Hearted]

83. I live in a small town - all we have here is lettuce.

You're obsessed with the college thingy. When did they start making salad 101 a general studies course?

[polmaven]

92. Small town?

Then you are obviously a gun totin', bible thumpin' bigot, huh?

[GoldieAZ49]

43. Michelle talks about how tough it is spending $10,000 a month for all the

ballet, piano lessons extra curricular activities for their daughters


yeah, they relate to middle America, not elitist?

heh

[Goblinmonger]

74. Yeah, unlike

the poor, downtrodden Clintons. THEY know what it is like to be "middle America" (which I think is kind of an elitist term as it is).

[rodeodance]

41. # 6 --yes. i do believe this group will not vote for Obama after those comments.

4. Some people cling to religion not because they are bitter but because they believe it, and because faith in God gives them purpose and comfort.

5. Some hard-working Americans find it insulting when rich elites explain away things dear to their hearts as desperation. It would be like a white politician telling blacks they cling to charismatic churches to compensate for their plight. And it vindicates centrist Democrats who have been arguing for a decade that their party has allowed itself to look culturally out of touch with the American mainstream.

6. It provides a handy excuse for people who were looking for a reason not to vote for Obama but don’t want to think of themselves as bigoted. It hurts Obama especially with the former Reagan Democrats, the culturally conservative, blue-collar workers who could be a promising voter group for him. It also antagonizes people who were concerned about his minister but might have given him the benefit of the doubt after his eloquent speech on race.

[Hoof Hearted]

44. 9. The comments play directly into an already-established narrative about his candidacy.

9. The comments play directly into an already-established narrative about his candidacy. Clinton supporters have been arguing that Obama has limited appeal beyond upscale Democrats — the so-called latte liberals. You can’t win red states if people there don’t like you. “Elites need to understand that middle-class Americans view values and culture as more important than mere trickery,” said Paul Begala, a Clinton backer. “Democrats have to respect their values and reflect their values, not condescend to them as if they were children who’ve been bamboozled.”



That is the one the supers need to hear.

[rodeodance]

51. "the so-called latte liberals"

[GoldieAZ49]

45. #5 for me nt

[mtnsnake]

48. The article makes tons of sense. Thanks for posting it, Hoof

It just goes to show how we really have to use common sense and we can't run around alienating rural Americans or anyone else. It's just too costly.

K&R!

[Hoof Hearted]

52. Thanks! I was thinking back to how Dean was attacked here and elsewhere in 04 for his remarks

about going after the votes of guys with confederate flags in the back window - I don't think much of Dean, but that statement had merit. This is the kind of thing that sets hairs on end.

[quakerboy]

59. When I hear you say this

I smile, because its a sure sign its going to be good for Obama and thus for the rest of us. If yall weren't screaming, thats when I'd worry.

[ginnyinWI]

61. always a good sign when the "concern trolls" come out, no? nt

[quakerboy]

71. To be fair, i worried a little at the beginning

Obama is already a major underdog in PA. I have not had the faith in the electorate that he seems to have. A year ago would have predicted that even Democratic Americans would be too Racist and Sexist to bring Obama or Hillary this far. I have been pleasantly surprised.

But even still I have this Cynical streak. I think it comes of having favored the loser in every super bowl from 85 on, until this last one. So I figured this might blow up on Obama, and hurt him in PA, when we can least afford it, no matter the inanity of the attack. But the desperation with which it is being shoved in my face tells me it is no more than a distraction from the Colombia issue, with the Clinton camp knowing that even the blow back from this is better than having the focus on Hillary's little televised guilty meltdown.

[ginnyinWI]

73. A year ago,I wouldn't have thought he'd get this far.

But I've watched him work. I've watched him turn things around with such political skill that I have a lot of confidence in him now. When this latest attack broke, I just thought to myself, "This one will be interesting to watch." He's got political skills in his very bones. People like HRC underestimated him.

[slinkerwink]

65. haha, yeah. All this "concern" is just silly.

[Voltaire]

75. If it hurts him...and that's a big IF

It only proves that American voters are the stupid asses that not only I but Hillary takes them for. All this nonsense because Americans can't handle the truth. Makes me want to take a FLAMETHROWER to this place!

[Egnever]

82. LOL so many dumbass people posting thier hopefull opinions.

Hows that bitter thing working out today now that its made hillary look like a joke?

Bitter yet?

[CreekDog]

87. don't be hoof headed

:eyes:

[Orsino]

89. This is what hope looks like in some quarters.

So much hate. :(

[Butch350]

90. Reason 13...

Reading this Gar-bage.