Clinton Supporters - I hope you get what you're asking for!

[RoadRage]

Frankly, i'm not only talking to the Clinton supporters on this board. I'm talking to ALL of her supporters who are haninging on right now, hoping & praying that the SD's overturn the will of the voters and give Hillary the democratic nomination. I hope you get what you deserve: John McCain.

4 - 8 more years of economic destitution: Frankly, i'm a "latte liberal" as you call me, I have a good job, a nice home, a couple of nice cars and money in my savings account. I can make it through another Republican round and will probably come out alright in the end.

4 - 8 more years of restrictions on Gay Rights: See, i'm married with a couple of kids. I have quite a few gay friends that this would be a severe detrement to - but it's not going to effect me directly. A few more years of restrictions on gay rights isn't going to hurt me nearly as badly as the GLBT community that seems to cling to Clinton as though she's their last savior.. all the while giving McCain his best shot yet.

4 - 8 more years of a war in Iraq: I only know of a couple of people in Iraq, and neither of them is on the front line. It's not my brother, father or uncle over there fighting right now. Keep supporting Clinton - after all she is eager to pull everyone right out. The problem is, she isn't going to get elected.. but at this rate, McCain will.

4 - 8 more years of "Pro Life" creeping closer & closer with SCOTUS nominations: I'm 30 years old, and have 2 kids. My husband has been "fixed". And, as a "latte liberal" if I happened to get pregnant, I could afford a 3rd kid, but I really don't see an abortion as something I'm going to need in the future. So all of the Pro-Choice supporters who want Clinton so badly because they think she's the only option for women's rights - good luck. McCain just doesn't really seem to care if you get to choose what to do with your own body. Obama does.. and really, he's the only shot we have this fall.

Obama & Clinton have shown they're very similar "on the issues". Where they differ - substantially is on tactic & approach. Obama has won on that front, but Clinton has decided to continue the fight regardless. So to her supporters - I wish you the best, but I don't understand why you are supporting a candidate who can't win a General Election. I don't understand why you choose to stay behind someone so forcefully that is bent on pushing out the only viable option we have in the General Election.

You think you hate Obama? Well, Obama's supporters aren't to keen on the 2nd place candidate vowing to fight 'till the end for no reason, and hitting the front-runner harder then McCain would even do. If Clinton ever had a shot at a GE win - those days are long gone. She has long lost many Obama voters (myself included). So Clinton supporters - at this point.. you get what you deserve.

I don't understand why if you support Clinton's policy's so much - you'd rather push a similar candidate in front of a bus only to end up with the polar opposite (John McCain) as President of the United States.

[joeybee12]

1. Yeah, BO is our savior...Hilary will be a competent president...

...Barack is a disaster...and the only one to blame if BO gets the nom and loses to McCain is BO.

[RoadRage]

3. This post wasn't about if BO get's the nom..

The first sentance clearly stated "Clinton holds on and gets the SD's to overturn the will of the voters".

[joeybee12]

5. If she gets the nom, she wins the GE...BO won't...that's what I believe

and anything she has said or done PALES in comparioson to how the Repukes will rip apart Mr. Not Ready for Prime Time...he needs to NOT get the nom or we are screwed.

[scheming daemons]

9. You can believe in purple unicorns and a flat earth too.... doesn't mean you're right.

Hillary is electoral poison.

52% negativity rating. That means she has no HOPE of winning a GE.


Obama's negativity rating is 37%, by the way.

[PBS Poll-435]

25. Rasmussen

Says 51% unfavorable for Obama.

[cali]

10. that's your opinion- not remotely a FACT

something you evidently wouldn't know if you stumbled over it. And tough shit for you, because odds are that he WILL get the nomination. The question is whether you'll vote for him.

[PoliticalAmazon]

12. Hillary can't win. Republicans won't vote for her, she's making sure Obama supporters...

...won't vote for her.

AND the GOP will immediately go after Bill Clinton's many DickGates. Even Democrats will remember those terrible years and think, "Nope, not again."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5280301&mesg_id=5281280

[babylonsister]

18. Explain how she wins the GE when she's so reviled;

this oughta be interesting.

[Tyler Durden]

8. If Sen. Clinton wins the "popular vote,"

Will you start yelling "RULES!" and support overturning the "will of the voters?"

I'm just asking the question.

[RoadRage]

17. Nope..

I won't scream anything, as it would be pointless. At this point for Clinton to win the popular vote, she has to beat up Obama so badly that everyone believes her. She's currently trying that tactic as much as possible. I won't vote for her regardless.. at this point I really won't sacrifice and vote for someone as unethical as she is to win this election. She lost me completely a couple of weeks ago.

If she wins the popular vote, good luck - i hope that gets her the general election. But, I do not think I will vote for her.

[PoliticalAmazon]

6. She will be as competent as Bush Jr, because she bends over...

...to the same special interests. She has already stated that her top priority as president will be to cement relations between India and America, where she as zealously worked to send our jobs. She said this at a lavish NYC "gala" fundraiser where an Indian corporate group raised $2.5million for her campaign.

She and Bill think they have made to the elites now, and they are desperately grasping to maintain their position. If they can deliver governmental policy that makes the elites like themselves richer, they they will be their darling. Hillary has done much as a Senator to back Bush Jr's elite-favoring bills, and as president there would be no stopping her.

If Hillary supporters want to see 4 more years of the "bend and spread 'em two-step" that Bush Jr has done for 8 years, supporting the best interests of international corporations over the best interests of the American people, then they should continue to sit silently while she uses Bush Jr and Rove tactics.

If they think she will change once she is in the White House they are gullible dupes. She was like this before this election, and she will be worse once she is in the Oval Office.

[LaurenG]

2. No one deserves MCCain

our country can not afford to keep stepping backward into the dark ages. McCain won't win, it may seem like it could happen but it won't.

[RoadRage]

4. How many people on this board said the EXACT same thing about

Bush in 2004? I'm asking because I wasn't hear then - but I have a feeling many on this board thought it would be impossible that ANYONE would vote for him, let alone see him win again.

I just think that anything is possible - and we seem damn good at helping out the other team. We're helping them out far more then we're helping ourselves out right now.

[LaurenG]

7. Of course anything is possible but at this point McCain is the worst

possible choice. I just don't think he CAN win. I really think it'll be Obama. :shrug:

[onehandle]

11. They're both Socially Liberal Centrists.

Their presidencies would be virtually identical and very similar to Bill Clinton's.

This is what Obama and Clinton supporters will get, which is fine with me.

[ShortnFiery]

13. No, Obama's foreign policy would be decidely different from HRC's

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_obama_doctrine

Barack Obama is offering the most sweeping liberal foreign-policy critique we've heard from a serious presidential contender in decades. But will voters buy it?

When Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama met in California for the Jan. 31 debate, their back-and-forth resembled their many previous encounters, with the Democratic presidential hopefuls scrambling for the small policy yardage between them. And then Obama said something about the Iraq War that wasn't incremental at all. "I don't want to just end the war," he said, "but I want to end the mind-set that got us into war in the first place."

Until this point in the primaries, Clinton and Obama had sounded very similar on this issue. Despite their differences in the past (Obama opposed the war, while Clinton voted for it), both were calling for major troop withdrawals, with some residual force left behind to hedge against catastrophe. But Obama's concise declaration of intent at the debate upended this assumption. Clinton stumbled to find a counterargument, eventually saying her vote in October 2002 "was not authority for a pre-emptive war." Then she questioned Obama's ability to lead, saying that the Democratic nominee must have "the necessary credentials and gravitas for commander in chief."

If Clinton's response on Iraq sounds familiar, that's because it's structurally identical to the defensive crouch John Kerry assumed in 2004: Voting against the war wasn't a mistake; the mistakes were all George W. Bush's, and bringing the war to a responsible conclusion requires a wise man or woman with military credibility. In that debate, Obama offered an alternative path. Ending the war is only the first step. After we're out of Iraq, a corrosive mind-set will still be infecting the foreign-policy establishment and the body politic. That rot must be eliminated.

[onehandle]

15. Hindsight is 20/20.

!) We will never know how Obama would have voted.

2) "but I want to end the mind-set that got us into war in the first place."

Duh. It would be political suicide not to. Hillary's problem is that she's left holding the bloody knife in a room full of people with bloody hands. It's hard to be taken seriously in her position. I believe that Obama would attempt to change that mind-set, but both of them would have to.

McCain would invade Iran while drinking his sippy-cup full of Similac.

[RoadRage]

14. That might be true..

but the point of my post is that by Clinton hanging on and staying in this race - she pushes the odds of McCain winning the whole thing a lot closer to reality. We "dems" are very good at taking a sure win and throwing it down the toilet (2004?).

Clinton can't win the primary without doing serious harm to the entire party, and shooting herself in the foot with no chance of winning the GE this fall. That is why I don't understand the continued support for her from people who really want change. They seem to be pushing the candidate who will lead to none of it, via McCain.

[onehandle]

16. This is hurting us for sure. I want this over.

If she dropped out tomorrow, my blood pressure would drop a bit.

However, I am still confident that McCain cannot win. Whoever wins the nomination has my full support.

[Marrah_G]

19. Yet another Unity post !

I hope this get the lock it deserves quickly.

[RoadRage]

22. Ahh... so anyone who doesn't support full unity with Clinton deserves a LOCK?

Are you kidding? What I posted is supported by a lot of dem's on this board - and frankly a lot of dems in general. But, because you want to stand behind a candidate who's main intent (at this point) is to splinter the party. I'm the one not pushing a "unity post"? Tell your candidate to start pushing for unity - and i'll line up right behind her.

[Marrah_G]

26. No- your post deserves to be locked because it is a nasty, insulting piece of flamebait. n/t

[RoadRage]

30. In your opinion - because you don't like what you read. Just put me on ignoor..

You'll feel better about yourself!

[Marrah_G]

33. I've emptied my ignore list- I won't be adding you too it

Your post claims Hillary supporter deserve a McCain President.

I am a Hillary supporter.

I am also a hard-working Democrat who has spent countless hours working for our candidates.

I do not "deserve" a McCain Presidency.

I am a Dem supporting a Dem on a Dem website.

You are a Dem supporting a Dem on a Dem website.

[SeaLyons]

20. If Hillary gets the nomination,

she will defeat McCain. Obama will not.

[RoadRage]

23. With her 48% approval rating??

When she's "stolen" the nomination from the front-runner with sleazy tactics.. SHE'S going to be the one who wins.. with only 60% of dems showing up to vote, yet uniting 90% of republicans to vote against her?

As the point of my post stated - If Hillary steals this nomination, then you and her supporters are the ones who deserve McCain for the next 4 - 8 years. She can't even win the Dem popular vote, but your delusional thinking states that she can win a general election???? How in the heck does that work?

[hogwyld]

32. If she does "steal" it

This is one "bitter" voter that will sit home in November.

[SeaLyons]

36. If she wins the nomination,

are you saying you will not vote for her??

[RoadRage]

37. Yup - I will NOT vote for her.

And you can hate that as much as you want, but i'm hardly alone. Many other democrats don't plan on supporting a candidate that will do and say anything to get elected.

[Neshanic]

21. Why us, you just described an Obama presidency, unlikely as it is.

[BigDDem]

24. "Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants."

saith the savior.

[40ozDonkey]

29. Hillary can fail forward and embarrass herself as long as she wants.

Says the wise man.

[BzaDem]

27. It's actually the other way around. Though I don't hope that Obama supporters get what they're

asking for: John McCain.

[RoadRage]

28. No - it's not the other way around..

Obama isn't throwing Clinton under the bus at every opportunity. Obama isn't currently LOSING in popular vote & delegates with no way to catch up. Obama isn't staying in a race he can't win yet still slinging mud at his opponent.

No, it's not at ALL the other way around. And, if Obama was in this situation, most of his supporters would be smart enough to go to the other side for "unity". So they don't deserve McCain.

[Cameron27]

31. If Hillary wins the nomination,

Democrats take back the White House. I'm not so sure about Barack at this point.

[RoadRage]

35. HOW DO YOU FIGURE??

I'm sorry - i'm not trying to insult any Clinton supporter, but I do not understand this mindset. "Clinton will win"... you say it as if it's just so. Hell, I love Obama, but I won't even go so far to say that "He WILL win" - it's anyones guess at this point.

Clinton can't even win the popular vote of her own party, yet she's somehow going to come around and get votes she didn't get in the primary and all of the Obama votes she has totally alianated since then? She's going to do all of this while pissing off the Obama supporters she stomped all over to get to where she's at (if she somehow wins the primary) And, all of this with a 48% approval rating, and with Republicans lined up to vote against her?

I'm sorry - but just Saying it's so doesn't make it so.

If Clinton keeps piling it on, Obama very well may lose.. but Clinton certainly can not win.

[Cameron27]

38. Obama is losing support all on his own,

which I knew would happen. Despite all his whining, this primary hasn't been all that contentious compared to others. Obama's also been incredbily lucky to have the media covering his back for every misstep. I've never heard so many pundits spinning so many WORMS while pretending to be unbiased.

All that stops in the GE, and I don't know if he's up to the fight.

[rug]

34. If you do not vote for the actual nominee, you will get what you're asking for.

[greguganus]

39. If Hill steals it, I will do a write-in. n/t

[RoadRage]

40. I was opting to only vote down ticket...

but a write-in for Obama wouldn't be a bad idea either.

[goldcanyonaz]

42. Many plan to write-in Hillary. So, we all lose.

:woohoo:

[RoadRage]

43. exactly the point of my post.. and McCain wins. "Whoo hoo"!?

[Life Long Dem]

41. Maybe this is purposely being done to balance out both parties?

Right now it's a runaway win with the Republican's. But a bitter election with McSame and Democrats won't turn out in future elections.