I'm bitter that Bill deep-sixed BCCI matters for Poppy in the 90s and we got stuck with Bush2.

[blm]

I'm bitter that there were so many outstanding matters in IranContra and Iraqgate and CIA Drugrunning that needed further scrutiny, but Clinton sided with the secrecy and privilege of Poppy Bush and his cronies and we got stuck with Bush2.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

I'm bitter that when we had an opportunity to replace Bush2 with an open government Democrat in 2004, Bill Clinton spent his 3 week book tour defending Bush from the attacks leveled against his decisions on Iraq by the left and the Dem nominee, and did so in very public, high profile interviews...and we remained stuck with Bush2.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

I'm bitter that Clinton loyalist James Carville sabotaged Ohio Dem voters with his WITNESSED election night phonecall to the WH and we remained stuck with Bush2.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


I'm bitter that after millions of us Dems for years defended Bill Clinton for dropping his pants, Hillary finds the cameras to publicly scold Kerry for dropping a pronoun from a joke. But never found a camera in 7 years to target Bush2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

But......I am using that bitterness to further drive away from power those forces of closed government who have sought to destroy the citizens' right to open and accountable government.

I hope more Democrats are opening their eyes and ears and joining the forces of open government. If we don't do it now, there will likely never be another opportunity to reverse the damage so many decades of closed government has brought to this nation and the world.

Obama2008.

[speedoo]

1. Thankyou. One more rec, and off to the greatest page.

The Clintons seem to be happy with the Bushes, don't they?

I wish I had recognized that fact before Hillary's IWR vote, when it became crystal clear.

[blm]

4. We should have listened more closely to Gore's camp when they spoke of being undermined.

We should have listened more closely to those who called the alarm in the 90s when they noticed all the matters of GHWBush's illegal operations were curiously going undiscussed and no longer examined.

[City Lights]

2. k&r

[flpoljunkie]

3. Great post, blm! K&R!

[uponit7771]

5. K&R

[formercia]

6. I think Bill Clinton sold out for a second term

If you look at the historical M3 supply, it leveled off during Bill Clinton's first term in office then began to rise sharply in 1996. This led to lots of easy money and the resulting bubble we have to contend with today.

[blm]

7. I think he was groomed to take over for Bush by those who thought it more credible

a coverup if it was performed by a Dem administration.

[Hart2008]

10. Exactly! Just like Nixon covered up for LBJ and the Kennedy assassination.

Nixon was in Dallas that day, and according to LBJ's mistress attended a meeting with him the night before the assassination.

[nichomachus]

12. So many people were in Dallas that day

including Poppy Bush, Howard Hunt, you name it. It was a veritable who's who of fascists.

[Hart2008]

16. And Hoover! LBJ: "Those SOB's Will Never Embarrass Me Again"

I recently found this MSM supressed story by LBJ's mistress:

"It was a political crime for political power," said Brown as she highlighted how people who were set to testify against Johnson for indictment proceedings, related to illegal kickbacks Johnson was receiving from agriculture programs before the assassination, were mysteriously set-up in homosexual scandals or found dead having allegedly shot themselves five times in the head.

"Had the assassination not happened the day that it did, Lyndon Johnson would have probably gone to prison - they would have gotten rid of him - he was so involved with some of this," said Brown.

Having had her own (and LBJ's illegitimate) son and nanny disappeared by Johnson's hitmen after the assassination, and upon hearing of the strange deaths of many other people connected to the events in Dealy Plaza, Brown felt that she was safer out in the light and decided to let the world hear her story.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/300806jfk.htm

[nichomachus]

11. I'm not sure about that, but

Poppy's presidency was going down in flames. Remember that by the end of his first term, there were scads of people who were facing criminal prosecution -- and who probably would have implicated Poppy himself if they couldn't be pardoned. However, pardoning co-conspirators while still in office, could have resulted in a firestorm and could have endangered -- or at least thrown a roadblock into -- the fascist plot, begun by Prescott Bush in 1934, to take over the country. This was proceeding quite nicely at that stage, after 12 years of Reagan/Bush.

So, it was necessary to sacrifice Poppy and let Clinton win -- since he was malleable enough to be a good Republican, and could be kept on a short leash with the constant attacks against him. This would turn him into a placeholder, so the fascist takeover of the country could be completed under the next presidency. I don't think Dubya was in their plans at that point, but he turned out to be just what the fascist ordered.

We're in the endgame of that now. It's almost complete.

[blm]

15. Bushies expected to be impeached after the Dec 1992 release of the BCCI report.

Funny, not ONE mention of BCCI in Bill's entire book, though the report had an extensive list of outstanding matters that required access to documents and further scrutiny.

[mod mom]

24. EXACTLY-groomed by BCCI/Bush financier Jackson Stephens:

Jackson Stephens rivals Bath in his role as conduit between high-level factions. A Little Rock, Arkansas tycoon who attended the U.S. Naval Academy with Jimmy Carter and staked Sam Walton to found Wal-Mart in 1970, Stephens was owner of the notoriously toxic WTI Incinerator in East Liverpool, OH, and a munificent contributor to the campaign warchests of both Bill Clinton and George Bush, Sr. He was also embroiled in the BCCI affair through his association with BCCI satellite Union Bank of Switzerland—UBS, in turn, contributed $25 million to the moribund Harken Energy Corp.

http://www.wburg.com/0202/arts/lombardi.html

[nichomachus]

8. Al knew something we didn't

A lot of us gave Al Gore a lot of grief for not relying more heavily on Bill during the 2000 campaign.

Given Bill's performance in the last few weeks, it's become apparent that Al knew something we didn't. Bill, despite his personal popularity, isn't keen on having anyone else upstage him.

Sometimes I wonder whether Bill isn't deliberately sabotaging Hillary's campaign, so we won't go down in the history books as the lesser of the two Clintons. After all, she will get mega points just for being a woman president, and he will always have the impeachment asterisk after his name.

[blm]

20. Blaming Gore for not using Bill was BS concocted by TeamClinton to encourage a

mindset in the Dem party that it NEEDED the Clintons.

That lie also ended up being used so persistently after 2000 that it diverted all attention away from the ACTUAL rampant election fraud allowed by collapsed Dem party infrastructure, so the election could be stolen again by BushInc in 2002 and 2004.

Certainly kept 2008 open for HRC, eh?

[Lugnut]

9. K&R n/t

[Hart2008]

13. I'm bitter that Carville sabotaged Gary Hart's'88 campaign.

It was Carville spreading the rumors that Hart couldn't "keep his pants on" that were published in Newsweek, etc., after Hart refused to consider Bill Clinton as his V.P. It was Carville using Hart's comments that Clinton "didn't believe and anything" and that he lacked a political "core", as published in Ray Strothers' book "Falling Up", but attributing them to Ken Starr. (Carville was a protege of Strothers, and Clinton hired Strothers to get a connection to Hart's campaign.)

Funny, but now over 20 years later not a single woman has come forward by name to admit to having a sexual affair with Hart, and that includes Donna Rice.

[blm]

18. This goround it's harder for Clintons to get away with their smears and attacks on other Dems, as

more of us are aware of how they have used their power to undermine and sabotage open government Dem leaders while they protected BushInc.

[Hart2008]

53. The Clintons haven't adjusted to the Internet. It is a powerful medium.

Blogs and places like YouTube make it harder for them to "spin" the truth without getting called on it.

[northzax]

25. no, that was all Sen. Hart

he dared the media to find evidence of something he was doing wrong and the next week was caught with a 'model' sitting on his lap. and not for a photo op either. Gary Hart was an idiot at that time (which is a shame, cause he's not an idiot at all)

[Hart2008]

32. No, that was Carville planting the story. Hart was followed after rebutting Reagan's weekly radio

address in December 1986, before he left the Senate and before he declared his Presidential campaign.

According to the Washington Post, which blackmailed him into suspending his campaign and at the same time sat on a similar story about G. H. W. Bush:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Fitzgerald
, another former Dem. senator, (who would likely have been a paid lobbyist at the time,) paid a PI to follow Hart from the radio station where Hart, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, had just given the party's response to the incumbent President of the United States in December 1986. According to the WaPo, the PI in question then turned over his alleged photographs of Hart leaving the home of a female acquaintance to the Washington Post. The post told Hart to drop out of the race or they would publish the photos and the story. He thereafter suspended his campaign until he could get the story killed.

While everyone remembers the Donna Rice story due to the cheap sensationalism, the Miami Herald's story was not correct. Donna Rice did not spend the night in Hart's rented Washington townhouse. She has always denied that the relationship was sexual, and now works to protect children from Internet pornography. Donna Rice was not a model at the time she meet Hart. She is the former girlfriend of the Eagles Don Henley, who was a strong Hart supporter. When Rice and friend appeared at the yacht, a floating hotel with servants, where Hart was vacationing to write a speech, Hart invited her to come along, since she was the friend of a prominent supporter. It was not what it was represented to be.

The behavior of the MSM and its obsession with Hart's personal life was unprecedented. No Presidential candidate had ever before been subject to this kind of invasion of his personal life. Reagan was the first divorced President. No one demanded to know why his first marriage failed. Heretofore, if one campaign had tried to smear another candidate like this, it was considered dirty pool, and would backfire against the campaign attempting it. In Hart's case the MSM refused to reveal who was spreading this garbage, and it was Carville, he who sleeps with the enemy, who was spreading the rumors around. (Compare this with how they outed Donna Brazile when she raised the same issue about Bush.)

No, Hart was not an idiot. He and his wife didn't get along. They split up twice, and he had a girlfriend. Everyone in Washington knew it, just like they all knew about Bush and Jennifer Fitzgerald. When Hart announced his run for Presidency in '87 he stopped seeing the girlfriend. But the media kept harassing Hart to answer about his personal life. Bush never answered and let Junior answer the question for him. (He probably also threatened them if the published anything.) In the middle of an interview about serious national issues, E. J. Dionne, then of the N.Y. Times, kept asking Hart about how he would deal with the "womanizing" issue,(planted by Carville). Eventually Hart got annoyed with the topic and made the "follow me around" quote. Twenty years later, we still don't know exactly what the context of the quote is, since Dionne has never addressed what exactly he asked Hart to provoke that response. Presumably, the question pertained to prostitutes. At the time he made the quote, Hart had not spoken to Donna Rice.

That quote was published in an otherwise extremely favorable article on Hart by Dionne, in which Lee Hart, Hart's wife of now over 50 years, took much of the responsibility for the problems in their marriage. Before the quote from Dionne had been published, the Miami Herald and Knight-Ridder had already begun staking out Hart's D. C. townhouse in May of 1987. ("Peeping" Tom Fiedler of the Herald claimed to have read the quote on an airplane headed to D.C. to join his colleagues in the bushes around Hart's house.) Again, before the interview with Dionne, Hart had already been followed by a PI hired by another Democrat in December 1986.

No Hart wasn't stupid. To discredit him, the corporate MSM, had to change the rules of the game, and at the same time refuse to apply the same standards to the scandal ridden GOP front-runner G. W. H. Bush of Iran-Contra and the 1980 October Surprise infamy. One prominent reporter had documented an infamous British citizen in the middle of selling the stolen photograph of Rice sitting on Hart's lap. The story was canned. The implication of that story, is that British intelligence manipulated the story to influence our Presidential election.

After Hart reentered the race in December 1986, he again shot to the top of the polls, nationally and in Iowa, and to second in New Hampshire. Over 60 percent of the public didn't think his personal life was important. Two weeks before Iowa, the MSM reported that Hart's campaign was "secretly funded". The story was completely without a basis in truth. Hart never took a dime from any PAC and had mortgaged his house to fund his '84 campaign. The FEC investigation later confirmed the allegations were without merit. It did however cause Hart to plummet in Iowa and the following contests, since the media was intent of portraying Hart as a scandal-ridden candidate and refusing to cover the issues Hart was addressing, while at the same time ignoring the Constitutional crisises in play with Bush and the Iran-Contra scandal.

[northzax]

34. Gary Hart told the media to find evidence of him doing something wrong

two weeks later, he allowed himself to be photographed with a young blonde woman in a miniskirt sitting on his lap with her arms around him. here's the picture, by the way:



when you are accused of philandering, and you pose like this? it's hard to call you anything BUT stupid.

[Hart2008]

38. I have a similar photo with my cousin. Does that prove incest?

The younger generation won't understand what all the fuss was about.

Where is the semen stained dress?

Where is the mulatto love child?


The photo proves nothing, and it was stolen.

Actually there was a far worse photograph of Clinton on his campaign plane with his hand on the inner thigh of woman. It was published in the American Spectator.

If an attractive woman jumps on man's lap, what is he to do?

Again, the quote to which you refer is out of context.

What exactly did Dionne ask Hart to elicit that response?

You don't know!

When exactly did Dionne ask that question to Hart?

You don't know!

When exactly was that photo taken?

You don't know!

You persist on focusing on an answer to an unrevealed question, while at the same time refusing to address the fact that the MSM refused to ask the same question of Bush.

The real issue here was the double standard: Only one candidate was hounded to address his personal life.

Had the same questions been asked of Bush, or even Dole, they would not have held up to such invasive scrutiny. Reporters should not be hiding in people's bushes, but you and I disagree about that.

The Europeans think we are crazy about this stuff.

[northzax]

39. guess what?

poltiics isn't fair. and Donna Rice isn't Gary Hart's cousin, last I checked.

[Hart2008]

40. Even public figures are entitled to some privacy.

Compare Hart with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

The man wasn't happily married, but nobody in France, including the media, thought it was relevant. After taking the oath of office he divorced his wife and married a very attractive lady.

Perhaps the main difference here is that France remains a democratic republic with a functioning constitution, while the past 20 years has seen the rise of a two family duopoly, contempt for our constitution, and military adventurism abroad, along with a government that is now spying on its citizens and torturing its perceived enemies here in the U.S. In short, our nation teeters on fascism, complete with a corporate media elite that smears anyone who poses a serious threat to those in power.

You wish to blame the victim.

Even Richard Nixon thought that the media's obsession with Hart's personal life was wrong. Nixon wrote a letter to Hart, the former campaign manager of the McGovern campaign, to express that opinion. Nixon was among the 64% of the American public that agreed on that point according to a Gallup poll on the issue. Your opinion puts you to the right of Richard Nixon on this point.

Are you proud of that?

I don't know enough about either Hart or Rice's genealogy to make a comment about their consanguinity. I do know that both Hart and Rice share a commitment to public service. Donna Rice Hughes is the president of Enough Is Enough:

Enough Is Enough (EIE), a non-partisan, 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, emerged in 1994 as the national leader on the front lines to make the Internet safer for children and families. Since then, EIE has pioneered and led the effort to confront online pornography, child pornography, child stalking and sexual predation with innovative initiatives and effective communications.

Mission Statement

The Enough Is Enough (EIE) mission is to Make the Internet Safer for Children and Families. We are dedicated to continue raising public awareness about the dangers of Internet pornography and sexual predators, and advance solutions that promote equality, fairness and respect for human dignity with shared responsibility between the public, technology, and the law. We stand for freedom of speech as defined by the Constitution of the United States; for a culture where all people are respected and valued; for a childhood with a protected period of innocence; for healthy sexuality; and for a society free from sexual exploitation.

http://www.enough.org/inside.php?id=E7A5VT6VM

Perhaps you missed the attraction between the two of them?

[northzax]

62. I don't say it's right

just that this is how the game is played. if you dare the media to do something, and them give them ammo, they will take it. Gary Hart is a smart man, he knew better.

[Hart2008]

63. How could Hart dare them to do something that had already been done?

The man was set up. Someone had already followed him after he, the likely party presidential nominee, had the audacity to answer Reagan's national weekly radio address.

They changed the rules on him in the middle of the game, as they would have continued to do regardless of what he did.

They wanted to write about his personal life to the exclusion of any other issue. That had never happened before to a serious candidate for president. When people didn't care about that, they created another "scandal" that wasn't there, i.e., that his campaign was "secretly financed".

The problem with your argument is that you don't know the context of that quote. Your entire argument rests on a quote without knowing the context in which it was made, or if that quote is fair or accurate. It wasn't a "dare", and what they found was much ado about nothing, and it wasn't really what ended his '88 campaign.

Even after the story came out, 64% of the American public according to Gallup didn't think the media coverage of Hart was fair. The incorrect Miami Herald story and the stolen National Inquirer photo aren't what ended his '88 campaign. He still led in the polls when he reentered the campaign in December '86. The problem wasn't that a majority thought his personal life was relevant. The problem was that after everyone knew about the story, the MSM refused to move on and cover the actual issues of the campaign. The Rice story was like the Dean scream. It was repeated over, and over, and over, and over. People couldn't hear what the man had to say on the issues. Then, when that hadn't killed him the completely false campaign funding smear was published 2 weeks before Iowa.

However, the bigger story was that powerful people in the Democratic party preferred to lose the election, than to see Hart elected President. That was the story that wasn't reported. Who were these people in the party who preferred to have 4 years of George Bush than 8 years of Gary Hart?

The Clintons and their entourage sabotaged Hart's '88 campaign. (See Partners in Power pg. 433-434, by Roger Morris, a former National Security Advisor to LBJ who resigned in protest of Nixon's invasion of Cambodia.)

I stand by my original assertion: The former Hart advisor spreading the rumors that Hart couldn't "keep his pants on" was James Carville.

You think Carville was just playing a game called politics, when in fact he had changed the rules without regard for the welfare of the party as a whole.

[me b zola]

14. K&R

blm = truth-teller.

[blm]

21. Thank you.

I appreciate the compliment.

[juno jones]

17. K&R!

[Tinksrival]

19. OMG

Was John Kerry sacrificed in 2004 for Hill coronation in 2008????

[AtomicKitten]

22. K&R

Cheers to you, blm. You have persevered in dishing up truth from the get-go, the unvarnished, not easily digestible truth. And that cosmic revelation for me coupled with the atrocious campaign Hillary has run leaves me livid but hopeful that the Democrats may finally push away from the trough and put a monkeywrench in the proposed Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton paradigm.

:patriot:

[mod mom]

23. I'm bitter that both Clintons allowed a Toxic Waste Incinerator on a floodplain near a school

to help out fat-cat financier Jackson Stephens, who brought BCCI to the US in the first place!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/21045/9822/688/446786

[knixphan]

26. Bravo! k&r

[Az_lefty]

27. Clinton's are good at covering up Bush crimes. Hillary will do the same

:puke:

[mod mom]

28. I'm bitter that Bill is willing to undermine foreign elections for big bucks:

and Hillary isn't nixing the entire deal:

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

-snip


"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

-snip

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

LINK:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

[Blue_In_AK]

29. Me, too, BLM...

I wish the candidates would talk about how they're going to bring the criminals to justice, but I've heard none of that. We can never hold our heads up again in the international community if we don't deal with the crimes that have been committed in our names.

[bobthedrummer]

30. Those in an altered state of consciousness are the only ones not bitter, blm.

"Cooking the Insurance Books: A Decade of Lax Regulations Lays Groundwork for Scandal" by Lucy Komisar (11-17-2004 Corp Watch)
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11657

from the staff of The Ozark Gazette
"Gray Money"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/gray_money.html

"The Activities at Mena"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.html

[beachmom]

31. Awesome post, BLM! K & R!

[leveymg]

33. KNR

Sorry I've been so busy lately. Not much time to stay and chat. :hi:

Thanks for saying what has to been said!

[Kurovski]

35. Best post in a week.

We can definitely expect more of the same for little George if Clinton or Mccain make it past the electorate.

[Kurovski]

36. Kick. (nt)

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. kick

Now I understand why the Dems abandoned him in the late 90s. I'm glad I defended him back then, but, I understand now why everyone stood aside and just let the Repubs tear him apart. Not that I'm saying that was good for the country. In fact, it wasn't good for the Dems to be divided then, nor is it good to be divided now, but, I understand a little better why it happened.

[blm]

41. Stabbing Dems in the back so regularly, no surprise the backbones have been tender.

.

[Unbowed]

42. Great post.

I'm getting angrier by the minute...bitter doesn't even scratch the surface when I read this.

:nuke:

Once upon a time, I used to like the Clintons. Not anymore. We really need to purge the party of these faux Democrats while we still have a party left.

[blm]

43. This has been a long time coming - most Dems didn't see the deceit of the Clintons

until it was far too late.

[Unbowed]

46. We sure were sold a Bill of goods. Pun intended. n/t

[biggerfishsmallpond]

44. thank you! K&R

It is so important that people remember that the reason we are in the mess we are is bigger than just 7 years of Bush jr.

[fedupinBushcountry]

45. K&R

:kick:

[KoKo]

47. I think the point is to ask Obama and Hillary...if they will "re-open" that investigation...AND

which one will investigate the Bush Administration for War Crimes and the other Crimes they have perpetrated on the American People.

I read today some "blogsite" that was calling for folks to call out questions at each of Obama/Clinton's appearances asking these questions about TORTURE and CRIME. ...I'll check to see if I can find the website. I thought it was a good idea.

Obama and Hillary need to answer questions from Progressives about WHAT THEY WILL DO AS PRESIDENT rather than this Childish "tit for tat" driven by Matt Drudge and the Repug "Politico Media" for talking points.

Hillary drinking "boilermakers" in a PA bar and Obama calling Hillary Annie Oakley?

How far down into frat boy/sorority girl humor does the Dem Primary need to go with these two clowns before we PROGRESSIVES "hold their feet to the fire!" So far, our two Dem Candidates are pandering to the "McCorporate Media" and not those "little under $100. donors they love to tout on their Websites.

Let's hold their feet to FIRE, blm... I've read Robert Parry...and others...I know the deal.... :-( Let's HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!

[Kurovski]

48. Kick. (nt)

[bvar22]

49. K&R

BTW: I deeply appreciate your work in compiling the information on BCCI, Kerry, and Clinton.
I have bookmarked several of your posts for future reference on this important matter.

:patriot:

[IndianaGreen]

50. I join you in your bitterness

and I thank you profusely for reminding us of the corruption that has been the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynasty.

[blm]

60. Thank you. I do believe open government Democrats are finally GROWING in numbers

IG.....time to loosen the grip of the powerful wing of the party that has been protecting the closed government for so long - it is past time for them to GO.

[Swamp Rat]

51. Bitter Bill

:D

[Kurovski]

52. Ol' Yeller.

Trying to squeeze into the WH.

[Perry Logan]

54. He was probably busy defending himself from attacks--and doing a great job as President.

[blm]

58. Great job in WHAT REGARD? Name me the LASTING good Bill did, and then think about the lasting BAD.

And then tell me which has effected this nation and the world more.

[DemVet]

55. You weren't whining about his during the Clinton Administration, were you?

[Hart2008]

56. Many people where unhappy about things, especially losing both houses of Congress. n/t

[blm]

59. No - I believed Bill would explain to us WHY he wouldn't pursue BCCI, and I expected his

explanation to be honest and meaningful. I was defending him on those matters until I read his book.

He doesn't mention one word about BCCI.

Even after 9-11, and our war in Iraq all based on the threat of global terrorism that was growing due to the actions of official governments and their crony financiers which was what BCCI was about at its core, and Bill mentions not one word about it in his book.

That proved he thinks YOU and I and the American people are too stupid and would never remember or even care enough to deserve any explanation.

And what DID we get in the long run for HIS coverups for Poppy Bush and cronies like Jackson Stephens and Dubai and Saudi royals?

What did YOU get for his coverups that was anything better than what I got, the Dem party or the 9-11 families, this nation and the world?

By late 1994 there should never have been a Bush2 possible, or a 9-11 event, or this Iraq war.

[blm]

61. BTW - were YOU satisfied with Bill's decisions that protected Bush and his powerful cronies, DV?

You haven't made that clear.

Do you believe citizens' have no right to an accurate accounting or even an accurate record of their nation's history, DV?

[DemReadingDU]

57. great post!

bitter in Ohio