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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:55 AM
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Mayhill (writer of "bitter" comment) is also Junehill - wrote pro HRC comments in '07 & other
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 11:28 AM by 1776Forever
interesting comments per Daily Kos blogs:

http://junehill.blogspot.com /

Mayhill/Junehill wrote this:

Friday, July 13, 2007
Hillary Clinton, Wellesley Girl

Flopped out in the Rio Grande Valley, nursing a cold, I've been reading Carl Bernstein's new biography of Hillary Clinton, trying to get a better sense of a woman I might well vote for come November 2008.

And at the end of the page she wrote:

Obamatized!

* "'And when our idealism spills into that kind of naivete and an unwillingness to acknowledge history and the weight of other cultures, then we get ourselves into trouble.'" (interview with Larissa MacFarquhar, The New Yorker 5/7/07)

* "But over the long haul, I think we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people, and join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy." (Barack Obama, keynote address at the Call for Renewal Building a Covenant conference, June 28, 2006, entire text on the Sojourners magazine website)

* Threading the Niebuhrian Needle: "'So I asked, What do you take away from him ?' 'I take away,' Mr. Obama answered in a rush of words, 'the compelling idea that there's serious evil in the world, and hardship and pain. And we should be humble and modest in our belief we can eliminate those things. But we shouldn't use that as an excuse for cynicism and inaction. I take away... the sense we have to make these efforts knowing they are hard, and not swinging from naive idealism to bitter realism.'" (Thanks to David Brooks, NYT 4/26)

She also wrote this:

Whatever -

Mullah Moments: our world through his eyes. Obamatized: I have to thank my husband for this one. When the day comes that I am no longer enamoured of Mr. O, I will put this list out to pasture.

.................

I found out about this from a Daily Kos blog -

Who the 'eff' is Mayhill Fowler????? (Leaked Obama's 'bitter' clip)
by beebj
Sat Apr 12, 2008

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/12/15638/8512/891/494398

...............

Some on that site are saying her husband gave 25K contribution to HRC. I think someone in the media should do some more digging into this one. The fund raiser was apparently in a private home and was not supposed to be taped. This is posted on the Obama blog board:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/hopeandchange/gGBWzl

How I spent my Sunday with Obama and the Mayhill Fowler Agenda
By Sandy - Apr 12th, 2008 at 5:50 am EDT

Imagine my surprise to see an article in the Huffington Post by Mayhill Fowler describing his answer as "a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience." and his answer being like "explaining the yawning cultural gap that separates a Turkeyfoot from a Marin County." I guess Ms. Fowler thought that, unlike herself, the other attendees had never gone outside the large house in Pacific Heights where the event was held. I grew up working class in Texas. I thought it ironic that Ms Fowler, was attempting to paint Obama as a condescending elitist, while at the same time she was stereotyping everybody at the event with her omniscient insight.

In any case, her agenda was clear. Despite Ms. Fowler talking about the people at the fundraiser being middle class in an earlier post, the "rich man poor man" theme fit better with the "Obama as a judgmental elite, talking to judgmental elites" spin. This also seemed to fit with some of her earlier articles where she had described Obama as cocky, arrogant, and even "flirty". What a coincidence that she now writes an article putting another twist on Obama's personality. All she had to do was a sneak a recorder in an small event for Obama supporters and do a little bit of crafty writing and out of context editing. Now Fox News and Lou Dobbs are having a field day.

(snip)

It was great seeing Obama in a relaxed setting, talking both in detail and inspiring prose, in what was essentially a large living room.

Too bad there were roaches under the sofa.

............

Wanted to add this:

Like I said why would a supporter go to a private fund rasier where there were not supposed to be any taping and try to get a "gotcha" comment? If it was a Hillary "supporter" I would quesiton this also. Did you see in the person that was there say that Fowler's first post didn't say anything about the elitist crowd comment? Well the editor on the Huffington Post that OK'd Fowler's post said he ask her to jazz it up a little. Here is his website marccooper.com:

http://marccooper.com/inside-the-obama-guns-god-bittern... /

Inside the Obama-Guns-God-Bitterness Storm

As the editorial coordinator of HuffPost’s OffTheBus project, I had the privilege and responsibility of doing the final edit ultimately approving for publication the web story Friday that has set off a firestorm over Barack Obama’s remarks about a “bitter” attitude that sometimes plagues economically-pressed small towns. Specifically those in Pennsylvania.

.............

Who paid for Ms. Fowler to follow Obama and was there influence from the HRC camp? Mayhillian Rovian maybe????

:hide:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:59 AM
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1. This is pretty damning information
I wonder where she got all that money to donate to Obama. She didnt' seem to have the sort of occupation that could afford those kinds of numbers.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:04 AM
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3. Her husband was said to be a lawyer and he supposedly gave 25K to Hillary - Yet to be proven.
That was stated in the comments in the Daily Kos blogs by someone who said they knew her. I hope KO or someone take a long look at this person. I would like to know more!

:popcorn:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:04 AM
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4. You and me both
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:02 AM
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2. So? Does it matter who she is? She taped his conversation and
reported it. That is what reporters do
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:06 AM
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5. If she was a paid opportive of the Clinton campaign it does matter
THAT would reflect on the character of hillary
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:25 PM
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25. Hillary? Character?
:eyes:
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:28 PM
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35. The real issue is how has Obama handled it.
He acknowledged that he did not do a good job of expressing his intent/idea. He has come forward to flesh out the context of his comments. He has not shrunk away from what he said or the ideas behind it. He has actually tried to have an adult conversation about the issues raised.

He did not attack the woman that posted the tape (no Macaca moments here). He did not deny the words or the event they occurred at.

There are some (two come to mind) that have acted like middle schoolers telling you that someone has called you "stinky breath" after you ate heavily garliced spaghetti for lunch. You can be a realist and recognize that someone noticed halitosis or you can rant "how dare you" that you have been offended. Obama has handled this like an adult, hope more of us follow his lead.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:06 AM
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6. Actually, no. Reporters do not tape comments and release
them when they've been told something is off the record. Not if they want a career. And she's not a reporter. She's a blogger.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:08 AM
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7. But context matters... You can spin words to show you mean something opposite to actual intentions.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:12 AM
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11. The entire speech is available at Huff Post
Go listen in.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:09 AM
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8. really what reporter tapes off the record conversations?
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:09 AM
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9. OK but she is not a reporter paid by an organization - I think there should be more secrutiny
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 11:11 AM by 1776Forever
shown here. Like I said why would a supporter go to a private fund rasier where there were not supposed to be any taping and try to get a "gotcha" comment? If it was a Hillary "supporter" I would quesiton this also. Did you see in the person that was there say that Fowler's first post didn't say anything about the elitist comment? Well the editor on the Huffington Post that OK'd Fowler's post said he ask her to jazz it up a little. Here is his website marccooper.com:

http://marccooper.com/inside-the-obama-guns-god-bitterness-storm/

Inside the Obama-Guns-God-Bitterness Storm

As the editorial coordinator of HuffPost’s OffTheBus project, I had the privilege and responsibility of doing the final edit ultimately approving for publication the web story Friday that has set off a firestorm over Barack Obama’s remarks about a “bitter” attitude that sometimes plagues economically-pressed small towns. Specifically those in Pennsylvania.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:11 AM
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10. Yeah. I simply don't see what the hoopla is about.
This kind of thing happens in politics all the time.

The real question should be.... why was there a secret message being given to high paying west coast donors.... that was not being given to the rest of us?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:16 AM
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13. How was it secret?
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:57 PM
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26. Well....
apparently it was not supposed to "leak out." That's what I call secret.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:17 AM
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14. This was NOT high paying West Coast Donors!!! Did you not read the personal account????
Here it is again! I heard the same thing when this started from the MSM that this was a high elitist crowd but it wasn't!!

Quote from someone that was there:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/hopeandchange/gGBWzl

How I spent my Sunday with Obama and the Mayhill Fowler Agenda
By Sandy - Apr 12th, 2008 at 5:50 am EDT

Imagine my surprise to see an article in the Huffington Post by Mayhill Fowler describing his answer as "a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience." and his answer being like "explaining the yawning cultural gap that separates a Turkeyfoot from a Marin County." I guess Ms. Fowler thought that, unlike herself, the other attendees had never gone outside the large house in Pacific Heights where the event was held. I grew up working class in Texas. I thought it ironic that Ms Fowler, was attempting to paint Obama as a condescending elitist, while at the same time she was stereotyping everybody at the event with her omniscient insight.

In any case, her agenda was clear. Despite Ms. Fowler talking about the people at the fundraiser being middle class in an earlier post, the "rich man poor man" theme fit better with the "Obama as a judgmental elite, talking to judgmental elites" spin. This also seemed to fit with some of her earlier articles where she had described Obama as cocky, arrogant, and even "flirty". What a coincidence that she now writes an article putting another twist on Obama's personality. All she had to do was a sneak a recorder in an small event for Obama supporters and do a little bit of crafty writing and out of context editing. Now Fox News and Lou Dobbs are having a field day.

(snip)

It was great seeing Obama in a relaxed setting, talking both in detail and inspiring prose, in what was essentially a large living room.

Too bad there were roaches under the sofa.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:03 PM
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27. If you don't cite Obama's own website as a credible source...
I won't cite Hillary's.

K?
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:14 AM
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12. Olbermann needs to get ahold of this!
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:06 PM
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28. Yeah. Then he can make a fool of himself by
insisting that Mayhill Fowler is "in the tank" for Hillary, the way he is for Barack. :rofl:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:19 AM
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15. Actually, Obama wrote the "bitter" comment, and delivered it to his base.
The outrage that it was 'leaked' to the peasants is hypocisy.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:21 AM
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17. The comment was a response to a spontaneous question.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:09 PM
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30. FINALLY!
We get to the real issue.

Why is it that Mr. Obama can hold secret meetings about Pennsylvanians in California? And his followers get all upset that the Pennsylvanians get to know what he said? I thought he was the "transparent" candidate.

If he has nothing to hide then.... why the outrage?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:20 AM
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16. "Who paid for Ms. Fowler to follow Obama ?" Indeed.
Paid or not, this whole thing doesn't pass the smell test.

This was a setup. Time for some digging.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:25 AM
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18. I will be the 1st to admit that she might have paid for it herself - BUT why then play "gotcha"?????
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 11:26 AM by 1776Forever
I just want the truth to come out - for a supporter who wrote about him being cocky and flirty in past blogs and go on Lou Dobbs and tear him down it just makes one wonder!!!

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:10 PM
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31. Uh, concerned voter?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:33 AM
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20. Yes, I still want to know why she gave money to Old Dawg Thompson?
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:37 AM
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21. If that one is true it will really get noticed! I just wish I could work for some of the MSM but
they don't really want the truth!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:08 PM
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24. it IS true, BUT I just read that she is from Tenn. so
that could be the connection.

Check out newsmeat.com

But what is even more damning is the claim that her husband gave 25K to Clinton.

Seems Mayhill made a mountain out of a Molehill.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:30 AM
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19. I am SO GLAD this is getting some legs
I was fuming over what I read on newsmeat.com re: her donation to that old Dawg Thompson, and her previous junehill blog where she casually drops that hillary would probably be who she'd vote for -- I sent an email to KOS and to HuffPo with links.

Where did you find out that her hubby gave big bucks to HRC? Interesting new twist.

Concerned citizen journalist my freaking ASS. :mad:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:42 AM
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22. This was posted by a blogger on the Daily Kos site....Of course needs to be varified....
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/12/15638/8512/891/494398

She is NOT an Obama Supporter

I'm from Oakland and just spoke with one of my friends there. Her husband has donated over $25K to the Clinton's. She is an awful person who is damn elitist. My parents were at that very same fund raiser and people are FURIOUS that this happened. This was a private fund raiser and that means private. It was not supposed to be tape recorded or videotaped and they specifically said that you would be asked to leave if you were caught doing so.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:13 PM
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32. Ouch!
"It was not supposed to be tape recorded or videotaped and they specifically said that you would be asked to leave if you were caught doing so."

Wow. How elitist is that?

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:01 PM
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23. LOL because Huffpost has been the gold standard of objective journalism to this point!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:07 PM
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29. No. Only Faux News can claim that title, according to Hillary.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:16 PM
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33. I just love it when Obama hangs out with the top elite...
http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row

Obama must have Sybil-like personality traits...to go directly to his wealthy friends house(Gettys)in San Francisco from PA.

Isn't it time for Obama to step down and by doing so, help save the party and the country?

There are no caucuses in the GE.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:17 PM
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34. lol. Hillary is an elite whose wealth has grown exponentially while others' have faltered over these
past eight years.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 02:32 PM
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36. Actually that was Ed Rendell who said that idiocy.
I just think its funny that Obama supporters are whining because this woman wrote pro-Hillary things on her blog when much of Huff Post is thumping its chest for Obama yet there is no cry of bias.
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