comments on the deeply moral issue of abortion...

[IndianaJones]

1. we must trust that women will make prayerful decisions on this issue of deepest morality.

2. all Christians should remain open to the possibility that support of abortion rights may not be infallible.

amen

[YOY]

1. What is half of something Obama said and something you expect to fan the flames with Alex?

Oh Huey...you never learn. Those flames are long dead.

[cali]

2. do you have a memory problem, or are you just on a loop?

you post the same couple of things over and over. And if you're going to quote someone, provide links. Oh, and as both candidates are strongly pro-choice, this is deeply stupid- and transparent.

[GodlessBiker]

3. Why just Christians?

[redqueen]

4. AND life begins *at conception*. Hillary said so. (nt)

[IndianaJones]

5. I'm gonna have to pray on that one. nt.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. She said no such thing

And you well know it.

[redqueen]

11. I don't, really.

The OP is idiocy... I chose to respond in kind.

:hi:

[Marrah_G]

9. She didn't say that- she said the potential for life starts at conception

What exactly do you think conception means?

I'm really surprised to see you post this.

[redqueen]

12. I'm not surprised that no Clinton supporters

are attacking the OP's equally ludicrous statements.

Nope. Not at all.

:hi:

[Marrah_G]

15. Sarcasm aimed at the religious right? why would I object?

I think they should be made fun of repeatedly for that sham religious so called debate last night.

I'm pretty sure the OP was using sarcasm and not actually endorsing those views.

[redqueen]

17. You're obviously very confused about the OP's motives. (nt)

[Marrah_G]

21. apparently....

:shrug:

[closeupready]

34. I think Marrah's right actually.

See my exchange with him downthread.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. because I don't understand the OP's point

I have no idea if s/he's sincere or mocking, and I don't know who s/he supports, and I don't know if s/he is quoting anyone.

But I do know you lied.

[redqueen]

Ignore what you'd rather ignore... jump all over what's convenient.

Not exactly new...

[MonkeyFunk]

40. I have no idea what you're talking about

you asked why I didn't comment on the OP, and I explained why.

But YOU claimed Clinton said life begins at conception, and that's obviously a lie.

[redqueen]

41. I'm talking about the myopia

of seeing only the things one would prefer to see.

Her lies about Iraq... those go without comment. Although IMO those are the most important ones in this election... because our candidate is going to have to go up against McCain.

But no matter... you go on and focus on what you feel is important.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. What's that got to do with you lying?

[redqueen]

45. See how much of a problem you have with ME lying?

Me? Little ole me sitting at my desk?

How come you don't have a problem with Clinton's lies? Clinton, who wants to lead this country.

Make sense now?

[MonkeyFunk]

46. You keep changing the subject

I understand it distracts from the fact that you willfully told a lie, and then refuse to admit it, and that helps you, psychologically, deal with having it pointed out to you.

But I'm not playing your game.

[redqueen]

47. *sigh*

Did you not catch the part where I admitted it wasn't exactly true?

Nevermind... keep avoiding things that really matter. I guess that's working out all right for ya.

Peace.

[Clintonista2]

19. AND you *choose* to be gay. Obama said so. (nt)

[redqueen]

22. And Saddam was a threat.

Hillary said so. 10 months after the war started.

[slackmaster]

38. There is no doubt that a genetically unique individual comes to life at conception

However, pregnancy does not.

[TahitiNut]

6. Once upon a time, the Church believed that the 'soul' (spiritus) entered the body ...

... with the first breath (re-spiration). Go figure. :shrug:

[IndianaJones]

8. deeply moral is a good choice of words then. nt.

[Flying Dream Blues]

13. That's what I think, Church or no church, TahitiNut!

BTW, you rock!

[slackmaster]

39. Yes, and the Brave Defenders of Fertilized Eggs now say that happens at conception

Of course even the issue of the existence or non-existence of souls is outside of the domain of science.

The BDFEs at best think they are erring on the side of caution. At worst they are cock sure they know something the rest of us don't.

[L0oniX]

10. Same ol shit. Pro life but anti universal health care and pro capital punishment.

We care about life before it is born but afterwords you are on your own with health care and if you fuck up you get murdered by the state. Stupid hypocrites.

[rucky]

14. Trusting women to make decisions. Remaining open-minded.

amen.

[Texas Hill Country]

16. once again, on the tough issue, he voted "present".

[IndianaJones]

18. no, there is a position...abortion is wrong but he supports it, reserving the right to change. nt.

[CTyankee]

23. If you feel abortion is wrong, please don't have one...

n/t

[IndianaJones]

24. women can be trusted to make prayerful decisions. nt.

[Texas Hill Country]

35. yep... "present." He basically explained both sides of the argument and avoided taking a position

"present"

[Scout]

42. if they don't pray, is it still a good decision? n/t

[TahitiNut]

20. That should please you. According to many DUers, men should STFU on abortion.

So, when he does, you complain? Fascinating.

[Texas Hill Country]

36. wait, I have a few questions for you...

1. what gender do you think I am?

2. what do you think my position on choice and abortion is?

3. and so you concede that he gave no position of his own?

[2rth2pwr]

25. What if she's an Atheist?

[anonymous171]

26. Then she is obviously out of touch with the common American and elitist.

[IndianaJones]

27. perhaps they are just bitter? nt.

[closeupready]

29. You opening post reeks of fear. Just spit it out. What are you trying to say?

That you do not support abortion? That women who have one are going to hell?

[IndianaJones]

30. does it sound that way? nt.

[closeupready]

31. Yes, you couch your statements in convoluted terms.

Can you just say it in plain English?

[IndianaJones]

32. that is an excellent analysis. nt.

[closeupready]

33. Oh, you're being sarcastic?

:D Had me going there. :rofl:

[jody]

37. Please don't leave out St. Thomas Aquinas' "TREATISE ON MAN"

Question. 92 - THE PRODUCTION OF THE WOMAN

Reply to Objection 1: As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence; such as that of a south wind, which is moist, as the Philosopher observes (De Gener. Animal. iv, 2). On the other hand, as regards human nature in general, woman is not misbegotten, but is included in nature's intention as directed to the work of generation. Now the general intention of nature depends on God, Who is the universal Author of nature. Therefore, in producing nature, God formed not only the male but also the female.

[JoFerret]

44. Obama needs to be pregnant.

Right now.
In the middle of his campaign.
I will then get prayerful and show my love for him.