Damn it Obama talks as if we are adults and issues might be complex.

[Botany]

Hillery is working 100% from Karl Rove's playbook in her low rent
response to Obama's speech. He did not say that he did not like
people in small towns or that he considered himself an "elite"
and superior to anybody .... his speech was for grown ups and
it shows real weakness w/ Hillary's campaign, the media, and the
right wing trying to spin it into something it was not .... just
like "Rev. Wright scandel."

Obama made no major mistake in talking about people being
"bitter & angry" what he was talking about was people being hurt
by policies and forces beyond their control and that leaves them
open to wedge issues and their feelings being manipulated by
politicians.

BTW If Obama wanted to really be a prick he could run the
"Hillary Sniper fire at the airport lie" in t.v. spots 24/7 in PA.
He could also bring it up in stump speeches and have people
whip it up on the 24/7 cable news shows like this meaningless
"bitter-gate" crap.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Barry opens wounds and walks away

We're supposed to have this dialog on race ... where's he been since waffling on Wright? Now he's telling everyone in small towns that they're doomed ... does he understand the threat of spreading despair?

Sorry, but I'm embarrassed by this silly season. DU has shown us why the Democratic Party regularly implodes.

[YOY]

5. He didn't "waffle" on Wright

He did the honorable thing. Were you not watching the same speech he made that send him rebounding well over Hillary?

[Fredda Weinberg]

8. Actually, I read it, which is why I know he continued to insult me

Claiming I'm not aware of my privileges ... of course I am. But I grew up in an urban slum, not him. I went to my local public school - he didn't. Where I live, the public access channel is filled w/hate speech directed at me ... by Blacks. So, he did indeed waffle on Wright and the issue is not closed where I live.

Rebounding among the Democratic primary electorate? No doubt. But I've seen this before and it always ends badly for our party.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. "I went to my local public school - he didn't."

He's smart and knows how to read, so he got a scholarship.

You didn't, and got bitter.

[Fredda Weinberg]

17. Actually, I was attending parochial school on full scholarship, but

left to expand my world. Bitter? Hell, no ... everyone I meet IRL appreciates it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Ah, were you under sniper fire too?

:rofl:

[Fredda Weinberg]

21. In '68, I was a victim in a race riot. So I take the subject seriously

You can laugh on the floor if you like. It suits you.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. LOL

:rofl:

[YOY]

18. It only ends badly if people refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee.

It it's Hillary, I will vote for her. Would you do the same for Obama?

and PLEASE stop calling him "Barry"...don't borrow things from the Right wing. They also use a little term called "Billary" for someone you support.

[Fredda Weinberg]

22. I haven't borrowed anything. It's his name and if you have a problem

w/it, remember he ain't our nominee yet. We can avoid a mistake ... else Barry's going to have to grow up real fast.

[YOY]

25. So will you vote for him when he is our nominee?

I said "when" not "if" because the math is impossible save the chance that one of these last ditch kitchen sink jabs work...and they won't.

[YOY]

33. That's what I though Fredda...that's what I though...

and the man's name is not "Barry" unless you are related to him. It's Barrack.

[DefenseLawyer]

23. Black people target you from the local public access channel?

Easy now Fredda. Remember, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you.

[Botany]

35. Yes they are out to "get him"

Fredda went to a football game and the players all the time would
stop playing and get into a circle and talk about him.

[Avalux]

24. Hey Freddy, you sound bitter lol.

Sorry you feel insulted by Obama's words. I happen to be from small town PA; my family and I agree with him and it's about time someone called attention to what's been happening there.

[patrice]

28. If those folks on the public access channel and Rev. Wright have a seat at the table,

"as bad as they are", then so do their "White" counterparts. We can't do anything about these problems if we're constantly trying to hide them, pretend they aren't their, or dress them up in more generic clothes. "We" MUST begin with ALL people where they are, not where "we" think they ought to be.

The inclusion of that with which I disagree does not imply judgement against me. It is a recognition that there ARE differences between us, accepting that fact, and moving on from there. And isn't the fact that there are differences between us what you/anyone values most? How the rest of the group responds to those differences, whether they hold them equal in their relationships to both sides of those differences, is the product of how each sub-group conducts itself toward others. There is no recourse for dealing with the injustices that other sub-groups inflict on us without the group AS A WHOLE, so any attempt to exclude ANYONE undercuts the rights of everyone.

[Chulanowa]

34. How does this have to do with Wright, much less Obama?

But hey, while we're comparing scars to our pride here, I'm half-white, half-native who grew up in a mostly black, urban portion of a city in the deep south. Ever been called a "swamp nigger?" That was my name through middle school (Yes, public) from both white and black sides. I had the crap kicked out of me on a regular basis, because I didn't have anyone in my particular corner.

Now, I suppose I could come away from that in a shell, resentful towards people of these races - as you seem to have, from your experiences. But, I didn't. As these knuckleheads who insisted on treating me like garbage grew up, so did their attitudes, and not to sound like an after-school special here, we managed to learn what the hell was up with each other. From this experience, I managed to learn what racism actually is.

And bud, racism is not a UCC Reverend telling his congregation that black people in America get screwed. Racism is not making mention that no, most whites do not understand their privleges in this country. If you understand just how far your skin color or the shape of your nose gets you in this nation, more power to you, but most people don't have the first clue.

[cliffordu]

6. Golly gosh, Fredda -

Are you still in THAT old saw?

He answered the Wright thing about as well as anyone can. He also refused to stab his friend in the back.

My kind of guy.

The reason the Dems implode is due to fair weather democrats, like yourself.

:patriot:

[Fredda Weinberg]

10. Fair weather what ... I've never registered anything but Democrat. Who

the heck are you to question my bona fides? You're not even a real name.

[cliffordu]

31. Yep, First name middle initial.

[Botany]

7. What the hell are you talking about?

" .... where's he been since waffling on Wright?"

He kinda of cover that in his speech on race.

<I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.>

[Fredda Weinberg]

15. If Barry can't disown the canard that the US introduced AIDs and

crack in the black community, he's on a painful fence. He certainly hasn't addressed the conditions that exist here in Brooklyn ... we're a few weeks away from social unrest due to empty food kitchens.

[Texas Hill Country]

12. yes, yes he does. He is doing the divide and conquer.

[mod mom]

16. I'm embarrassed by Democrats not alarmed by Hillary's bald faced lies. Repeated

accounts of Bosnia sniper incident (NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD FORGET IF OR IF NOT THEY RAN THROUGH SNIPER FIRE), misrepresentation of her roles in the Irish Peace Plan, S-chip program and of course NAFTA. Do you really want another president who has no problem lying to the Ameerican people? that you don't know whether is she is telling the truth? Haven't you had enough of blatant lies with George Bush?

Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region."

The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement."

In her memoir, Clinton wrote, "Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for president in 1996. He couldn't hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill's successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

-snip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hillary-clinton-pretends-_b_86747.html

[Texas Hill Country]

20. Obama has lied about many things as well...

[Botany]

32. Stop giving facts ... this is all about Obama's big mistake in talking ...

... about real issues and feelings.

You know he gives good speeches, has huge crowds,
rasies the most money, and gets the most votes .....
so you know what that means? Hillary is more electable :rofl:

Up is down ... black is white .... hot is cold .... and Hillary
getting beat means she is better than person who beat
her.

[cali]

26. You're embarassed by this silly season, but won't acknowledge

your contribution to it. You attacked Michelle Obama. You attacked the Obama's children. You actually attacked Obama's parenting. You call him Barry. And you're embarassed?? Not to mention your casual dismissal of facts or your propensity to bend the truth to fit YOUR agenda. Obama told everyone in small towns that they're doomed? No he didn't. And unlike you, I live in a small town. I relate to what he said. And don't bother calling me a stalker just because you don't like what I say to you. Hit alert if you think my post should be deleted.

[Democrats_win]

2. It's a good defense, but he made a mistake.

It's the rule: if you don't have anything good to say about a person then don't say it. The rule applies to politicians when they're talking about voters. Never dish the voter.

[redqueen]

3. Obama leaves her Bosnia lies alone...

she jumps into the RW spin machine with both feet at every opportunity.

He did take a jab at her rootin-tootin-shootin-hunter act... but I think the scales are far from balanced on the issue of which candidate prefers issues to spin/slime.

[blm]

4. He does - he treats us as adult citizens. So did Gore. So did Kerry. PostKatrina America

is finally waking up to the tactics of the corporate media spinners who have been working consistently in keeping them less informed about their government.

[Texas Hill Country]

9. actually, he points out that there is a debate, explains each side, and tells us that we need to...

come together.

And he does this without taking an actual position himself.

His answer on Abortion rights at the compassion forum was the perfect example. He talks and talks about the issue, without actually giving an answer on HIS postion, but it seems like he did... but he really didnt.

It is really the most impressive side stepping I have ever seen.

[patrice]

39. And, of course, there's nothing wanting in either your ability or your desire to understand

what the man said.

So, how do you, by virtue of all of your superiority, explain the millions of people who listen to him and hear a well defined position (Pro Choice in this case) framed by relationships to the many other perspectives on the issue? All of those poor benighted souls, one wonders how they get from one day to the next without someone like you to enlighten them about folks like Obama.

Talk about elitist . . . .

:eyes:

[zbdent]

11. Yeah, but, unfortunately, reality is not summed up nicely on a bumper sticker

and Repukes have been very good at pushing the right buttons in the, as Ed Schultz put it, "two-word message" mindset ...

[juno jones]

36. I agree

LOL!, I just read a post earlier this morning from someone who complained that they got a headache trying to understand all of Obama's big words and fancy language(to that effect, anyways). :eyes:

Personally, I'm all for a president who doesn't talk in soundbites. This is a country not a movie trailer.

[zbdent]

37. unfortunately, some bad movies get sequels ...

and we're living through Bush2 and Bush3, and probably will be faced with Bush4 (Jeb) ... let's make sure that abomination doesn't pass the first draft ...

[patrice]

13. It's a peer to peer call to share adulthood and to stop waiting for "daddy", a.k.a.

Big Government, to come along and make everything okay. You can't even begin to talk about whose responsibility is what until you've recognized how miserable things are to begin with.

[2rth2pwr]

27. You're doing the same thing.

"Obama made no major mistake in talking about people being
"bitter & angry" what he was talking about was people being hurt
by policies and forces beyond their control and that leaves them
open to wedge issues and their feelings being manipulated by
politicians. "

People who go to church enjoy hunting and think our borders are too porous don't particularly like it

when someone tells them that these beliefs are bad or incorrect or that they are clinging to them

because the economy is bad.

He sounded like a know-it-all. "I know more about your motivations than you, little person, know about your own motivations.' Oh, really, Senator?

That's the real problem with his comments. It's a glimpse into his mindset and that mindset is: I know better than you.



What has Barack Obama accomplished that entitles him to look down on his fellow Americans?

In Obama’s mind, the religion clung to by the “average poor white Pennsylvanian” is BLT’s demonic “white” Church. The "white" Church the tool of oppression for

all—including poor whites—and should be shaken off just like other social maladies.

Obama Described 'Bitter' Small Town Voters At Perhaps Wealthiest Block in the World.
http://sfist.com/2008/04/08/obama_comes_to.php



Some of the neighbors-
Norman Stone, heir to insurance tycoon W. Clement Stone, 27xx Broadway.
Peter Haus, Levi Strauss heir, 28xx Broadway. In 1996, Haas' Levi holdings were valued in a news report at $2.2 billion.
Peter Sperling, U. of Phoenix heir, 28xx Broadway. In 2003 he had about $1.5 billion.
Larry Ellison, Oracle founder, 28xx Broadway. In 2003 Forbes set his worth at $18 billion.
Gordon Getty, Getty Oil heir, 28xx Broadway. In 2003 Forbes Magazine estimated his fortune at $2.1 billion.
George Jewett, Weyerhaeuser heir, 29xx Broadway.

[Botany]

30. I'am? Wow

"You're doing the same thing."

I am running a very successful campaign for President of the U.S.
and speaking to millions about social, geopolitical, economic,
energy, and environmental issues?

Thanx for telling me .... no wonder I am so tired.

[patrice]

40. You're doing the same too. If you don't think BHO can speak for Americans, what gives you the right

to assume you can, unless you claim some superior trait that makes it possible for you to do so for those millions of poor benighted fools who can't know for themselves what they think about what he said.

Tell us about this superior knowledge/ability, please.

[NC_Nurse]

38. I agree with you 100%. It's more insulting that the media and these

vapid power-hungry candidates manipulate people who don't have the time or energy to
look up these speeches themselves. That's what they're counting on. Or they really think
most Americans are completely stupid. After Bushy got elected the second time, I seriously
considered that possibility, but then his ratings tanked and FINALLY people started waking up.
Now, with people running scared economically, I hope they aren't too distracted to find out for
themselves how they're being played.