If Hillary or McCain have A FUCKING OUNCE of INTEGRITY they'll denounce Davis for calling Obama BOY

[wndycty]

They shouldn't only react angrily to shit when it helps make Obama look bad. They both need to issue statements on this and talk about race. Come on! They need to be calling this shit out!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/188918.php

Rep. Geoff Davis (R-KY) on Obama: "I'm going to tell you something: That boy's finger does not need to be on the button. He could not make a decision in that simulation that related to a nuclear threat to this country."

[SoFlaJet]

1. neither one will make a peep

and we all know it

[wndycty]

2. I would expect that from McCain, I shouldn't expect that from Hillary. . .

. . .unfortunately McCain will probably beat Hillary to the punch.

[marshall]

53. Bill's already called Hillary a "girl"

It would be awkward to play the boy/girl card in one's favor one week and then turn around and castigate somebody else for doing it the next week.

[wndycty]

54. Whether or not its awkward she needs to do what is right

:kick:

[mythyc]

65. not even remotely close to the same ballpark and you know it

"boy" has several other connotations and you know it

[marshall]

72. They are both demeaning

What I know is that sexism is just as big a social ill as racism. Women have been referred to as "girl" in the same way black men are reffered to as "boy", as a way to disempower them. It is exactly the same thing--it is what united suffragists and abolitionists in the 19th century.

[mythyc]

74. you are wrong

calling a female girl is not always demeaning; calling a black man boy is ALWAYS not just demeaning but pernicious, a verbal lynching period. the former can be very negative but to be so depends on the context. there is no grey area for the latter. it is always rancorous, prejudicial, and derogatory, a verbal emblem of the worst breed of racism and hate.

go on, keep arguing. if you intend to dialogue though first respond to the point

[marshall]

75. Your comparison doesn't make sense

You are using terms that are not equivalent, so of course your straw man argument is not logical. A female and a black man are not equivalent--calling a female a girl is sometimes appropriate IF that female is in fact a girl. However calling a black man a boy is not appropriate because man is more specific than female.

The misunderstanding of the non-equivalence of these terms underlies the social acceptance of sexism even in circles where racism is decried.

[mythyc]

83. you're the one who forced an equivalency between these two terms

look up straw man, because you have no idea what you're talking about. you know you're race baiting; get over yourself.

[marshall]

84. I didn't mix the terms up

My comparison was between calling a woman a girl and calling a black man a boy. Your comparison was between calling a female a girl and calling a black man a boy. Look up the terms female and woman--they are not totally interchangeable. Female does not imply age, whereas woman does.

The gist of my argument is that it can be demeaning to refer to an woman (or an adult female if you prefer) as a girl in the same way it is demeaning to refer to a black man as a boy. Both are used in attempts to disempower an adult by making them child-like.

Bill Clinton is a master at parsing language. He used the wording to his wife's advantage when he said something like "they are beating up on a girl". It made Hillary's opposition look cruel for using their power over a less powerful person (men vs. a "girl").

My point is that it would be somewhat disenginuous of them at this point to denounce someone for using the same tactic of disempowering an opponent by the use of language.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

66. uh Hillary has said before "I'm your girl" on the campaign trail

so she set the tone on that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V9JBItfTZI

[burythehatchet]

3. Hillarious is working furiously to figure out how to benefit from the incident.

[Cha]

62. The Bosnian Sniper LIAR has her best team

on how to make hay outta this..you got that right, hatchet.

This is terrible and it's demeaning but it says so much about this guy from Kentucky that was elected than it will ever say about Obama.

One thing we know for sure..this jackal will not ever have his fucking finger near any stupid buttons.

Obama is going to try and change all that so we don't have to live in fear of people like him and hilary.

[saracat]

4. Did anyone denounce Randi for calling Clinton o F***ing W**re?

If Obama had an ounce of integrity he would have dounced that statement as it occured at an event adverised by his campaign as pro Obama! .

[sunonmars]

5. Well said, got there before, pot meet the kettle

[rhett o rick]

41. I assume you didn't intend that comment to be racist. nm

[Writer]

12. No. But he called Hillary Clinton Annie Oakley.

What a guy! :thumbsup:

[Oleladylib]

49. yea, he can get away with it...he's de underpuppy!!!

[Oleladylib]

51. yea, he can get away with it...he's de underpuppy!!!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

68. I see you got the "DU" hick-ups

its the craziest thing. i've had it happen to me a few times.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

67. Clinton: 'I Feel Like Paulette Revere'

what a "girl".

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/clinton-i-feel.html

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. That wasn't a racist comment.

Nor, I think, a sexist one.

apples and oranges.

[SoFlaJet]

25. So Obama is responsible for what Randi Rhodes says in a stand-up routine?

give us a break Sara

[Major Hogwash]

28. Is Randi a member of Congress?

Sort of a double standard you've got there, saracat.

[ellacott]

35. It wasn't advertised by his campaign as pro obama

[rhett o rick]

37. Please try to keep some perspective. There is no comparison between Randi and a member of Congress.

Please.

[Exilednight]

48. What was Randi Rhodes elected to? n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

59. Of course not. But now it's happen to them, so suddenly hate speech is bad.

Hypocrites.

[Hippo_Tron]

64. If Randi were a man it would be on the same level as Davis' comments

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

69. If Davis were a comedienne, maybe he would have been fired

instead he gets to whip up the frenzy.

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[leftofcool]

7. He's a repuke, why should Hillary denouce him?

He's not part of her campaign.

[wndycty]

9. Because civil rights and tolerance shouldn't be a partisan issue, it figures. . .

. . .that you think decency is only necessary when its politically beneficial.

[leftofcool]

14. Okay, when Obama denounces Rhodes for

calling Hillary a fucking whore which is a womens rights issue, we'll talk

[stillcool]

71. When did Randi Rhodes get elected?

what position in Government does she hold? Did she get impeached?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

70. because she has denounced fellow democrats for less

Like John Kerry and Al Gore, "elitists".

[Catherina]

8. Don't hold your breath. Besides, Clinton isn't someone I'd want on

my said after all the race shit she and her husband pulled.

[City Lights]

10. JoHillary McClinton suffers from an integrity deficit.

I expect no denouncement from either.

[AX10]

11. Why should they have to denounce it?

They didn't make the comments. Davis is not associated with either campaign.

[whistle]

13. Hillary has been called "girl", "sister" and the "b_____" word by the other side

...many a time. This campaign is going to get more nasty the closer it gets to November.

[City Lights]

55. BC also referred to her as a girl. eom

[Bensthename]

15. HILLARY MUST DENOUNCE DAVIS's WORDS.

[wndycty]

19. She won't she probably embraces them

:kick:

[Marrah_G]

Wow- What a fucking moron

I hope the people of KY bounce him right the hell out of office.

Either he is a racist or he is a moron....either way he shouldn't be representing anyone.

[rhett o rick]

32. To call him a racist, moron republican, aren't you being grossly redundant? nm

[Marrah_G]

36. No. n/t

[Vinca]

16. That's disgusting. nt

[jefferson_dem]

17. I wouldn't be surprised in McLame came out with a comment on it.

Fuck Hillary. I don't expect nor want to hear her say jack shit. It would be a lie anyway.

[Catherine Vincent]

How hopeful of you.

:eyes:

[JuniperLea]

18. Instant Karma?

Name calling is really bad, no matter who does it.

A DUer calling another DUer "Sweetie" or "Genius" or "Dearie" is just as bad and condescending as calling someone Annie Oakley or Boy... just not right.

[Major Hogwash]

21. I don't think McCain will say much about it.

It helps him with the Civil War vote.

[Catherine Vincent]

22. Obama's a big boy. He can defend himself.

:evilgrin:

[wndycty]

26. And Hillary has no fucking integrity she should call out racism WHENEVER it rears its ugly head. . .

. . .even if the target of the racism is Obama. Its very fucking telling that her supporters think she should not say anything.

[Catherine Vincent]

31. If she is made aware of the comment, she should speak out against it.

But I don't understand why she is responsible. Is it because she's white?

[wndycty]

34. No its because she is running for President of the United States and she should speak out against...

. . .bigotry, even when the target of the bigotry is her opponent. Wouldn't you agree?

[boston bean]

33. where was O when Chris Matthews was rearing his ugly head?

Where was O when Randi was rearing her ugly head?

Where was O when his supporters stood up and yelled iron my shirt?

Where was O when Hillary was compared to every man's ex wife?

etc etc etc

He can call this guy out all on his own, if he wants to make an issue of it.

[Catherine Vincent]

40. "..she should call out racism WHENEVER it rears its ugly head.."

If she did that, she wouldn't have time to campaign. Obama either.

[wndycty]

50. Well when it comes from the mouth of a FUCKING US Congressman. . .

. . .the lengths aRe going through to give her An excuse not to Condemn DavIS are very Telling.

[bluestateguy]

23. Again, Hillary is not responsible for what this asshole says

nt

[wndycty]

29. Yes, but she should stand-up against racism even if its targeted at Obama. . .

. . .if she has an ounce of integrity.

[grannylib]

24. I'm waiting....I agree, they should be all over that like cold on ice.

Disgusting comment, but considering the source (R) not surprising.

[gateley]

27. This person is deplorable --

He also made a scathing remark about Hillary/Bill, too.

This is a leader?

I hope Obama, as usual, doesn't bring this up, but will respond with class when it's brought up TO him.

[knixphan]

30. Yeah, where are the statements from the rightwing?

I'd like to make a statement upside Davis' head, that's for sure.

[Bensthename]

38. HILLARY DENOUNCE HIS WORDS NOW OR YOU LOSE,,,

[Oleladylib]

44. you have got to be kiddin'!!!!????

[Bensthename]

46. No, her and her GOP party need to denounce this now.

[mtnester]

77. You're lost aren't you?

Take a hard right, it is down the road a bit

[DevonRex]

39. Well, we already know she won't because she HAS no integrity.

[Oleladylib]

45. Geez life is just Hillary's fault...Can't da man take it...I think he can.

[Bensthename]

47. She is now part of the GOP party and needs to take responsibilty.

[wndycty]

52. She does act like it doesn't she

:kick:

[cbayer]

42. I think bigots are often best left ignored.

They show themselves to be what they are. No one needs to call them on it because everyone who is not a bigot sees it very clearly.

[Oleladylib]

43. Okay...change the word to man..there it's done

[2rth2pwr]

56. Why dignify?

[MethuenProgressive]

57. Hypocrites galore here - cheering "fucking whore", outraged at "boy"

Real progressives denounce hate speech at all times, not just when it happens to their guy.

[GoldieAZ49]

58. Why? Hillary is called a girl all the time

[IndianaGreen]

81. She called herself girl. "I'm your girl," she told a debate audience.

I was in the minority in disapproving of the use of that term. I can't conceive of any woman in a leadership position, civilian or military, referring to herself as a "girl," much less having her husband barge into her professional life and play the role that Bill has.

[Mezzo]

60. just like Obama denounced Randi Rhodes for calling Hillary a fucking whore? Man that's rich. nt

[me b zola]

61. K&R

[crankychatter]

63. There's an Obama Girl, why not an Obama Boy?

I think Geoff should cut a video... put on a G string and give us a dance, if he's TRULY SORRY.

[wndycty]

73. A woman refering to herself as a "girl" is completely different than a white man. . .

. . .referring to a Black man as "boy." Folks don't really have an understanding of history. Boy has for a long been widely considered to be used by white racists to address Black men.

[crankychatter]

78. yes u r right .... there is supposed to be a comma, before "Boy"

so it looked like "Obama Boy"

I was just being a goof

sorry

[crankychatter]

79. you just read the header an didn't open up

I think

[walldude]

76. Rep Foghorn Leghorn.. (R-Ky)

Boy.. I say Boy... :eyes:

What a jackass.

[donheld]

80. Well then, expect nothing

There's not a drop of integrity in either of them.

[jackson_dem]

82. McSame should but why Hillary? Obama never said a word when she has been called a "girl", "bitch"...