Bittergate has Backfired...

[nebula]

...judging by the polling as of April 13, 2008.

It appears the bitter-gate controversy has not had the intended negative impact on Obama's standing in PA. On the other hand...notice the movement of Hill's trendline in recent days. It has shot straight down...

[defendandprotect]

1. Hope you're right, but obviously the r-w will keep trying . . . and HRC, of course . .. !!!

Meanwhile, I think everyone is watching way too much TV --

forget the idiots -- stop tuning in ---

Stick with people like Cafferty --

[nebula]

4. The reason why

...I threw out my cable TV box eons ago.

CNN, Fox, MSNBC do little more than spew tabloid sensationalism.

I can't remember the last time I watched anything on television, and have felt much better ever since.

[defendandprotect]

14. Cafferty, Jon Stewart --- KO . . . watch selectively . . .

My sister never had a TV ---
she evidently saw immediately when she first got together with the guy who is now her long-time husband that he was just turning into a veg watching sports. She got rid of the TV and then
never had one again for like 20 years . . .

I have a 12" near my computer --- and I love it cause it does TEXT when I mute ---
and I flip off a lot --- and move around a lot --- but I can be on computer and see what's
being said at same time if I want to.

We need internet screens so that I can watch C-span/Senate and listen to Randi Rhodes at same time!!!
Split Screens --- yeah!!

Here's to NO TV's --- !!!


:nuke:

[nebula]

20. I can watch most of those prgorams

on the internet--Colbert, Stewart, Maher, KO, C-Span, my favorite sports programs, etc.

the cool thing is I get to watch them at my convenience...instead of having to follow a set schedule which I find is almost impossible for me to do anyway.

[defendandprotect]

22. Right . . . the TV schedule is for idiots . . . !!!

I need more variety in my car, tho ---

I guess I need the internet in my car?

[quakerboy]

21. Dual monitors

are nice. Very nice. Everyone laughs at me, but since my boss paid for the second one, I don't really care.

[defendandprotect]

23. Oh, ho, ho --- is that elite, or what . . . ???

[quakerboy]

24. Thats Super elite to you.

At 25k a year, color me one of the have mores, baby. I have arrived.

[defendandprotect]

26. It's the little things . . .

:)

[quakerboy]

30. Who you callin Little?

wanna take this outside?

[ginnyinWI]

42. I can't give up c-span.

Tonight on C-span I got to see the entire replay of Obama's speech from this morning, with the question and answer period after, and heard his detailed opinions on the campaign, how he envisions his potential administration, and on some of his main policy positions.

[Vinca]

2. Hillary is turning into a punchline of a joke.

Comedy gold for late night talk shows.

[Ian David]

3. Unfortunately, THIS was caught on tape today...

http://tinyurl.com/2s4x6q

[GarbagemanLB]

5. what an elitist prick.

[MercutioATC]

6. Nice!

[Texas Hill Country]

8. its blocked by my firewall, would you mind providing a description. would be appreciated.

[Ian David]

9. Try this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. aw shit, "Rick Rolled" AGAIN!

actually, I like the music, but dang it it burns to get punked like this!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

18. done this alot? 10,383,537 views

:rofl:

I'm going to play it out though.

I did see some comments about people threatening to jump off cliffs etc....

[high density]

10. A great late 1980s music video. NM

[nebula]

13. Photobucket link

[KittyWampus]

11. muthafucka

[uponit7771]

16. lol

[Willo]

37. *sigh* :)

:toast: got me

[tokenlib]

7. We need two more days to see where things go...

I don't think it's clear yet on the polls. My guess is an initial dip for Obama and then the polls will stabilize by Wednesday-Thursday.

[Innocent Smith]

15. Yep

The graph posted at the top of this thread shows a 10 pt. drop for Obama since the recent "bitter-gate". The most recent data point looks like the ARG poll so I won't read much into that drop unless other polls show something similar.

The trend line in this graph is completely meaningless as far trying to see the effect of recent events because it is very similar to a moving average and is backward looking. Looking at this sort of graph in a few weeks will then tell us something about how things were affected the last few days.

[bagimin]

25. look again ,you've got it backwards..

but the poll is a bit premature regarding "bittergate" imo.

[Innocent Smith]

57. I wasn't clear

Looking back at what I wrote I wasn't clear that I was talking about the last data point in the poll reflecting a 10 pt. drop rather than the trend line. What I was trying to say (apparently not as clearly as I should have) was that the trend line is meaningless as far as seeing the effect of this stupid "bitter-gate".

I agree that it is too early to see what the effect will be. I suspect that it won't be enough to fundamentally change things.

But I predict that if you look at this chart 4 weeks from now you'll see the trend lines changing directions in Hillary's favor - a short temporary bump for her.

[CreekDog]

31. dang, you can't read that chart, the dropping line is Hillary's

hmmm.

[Innocent Smith]

56. Trend Line versus Data Points

The dropping line is a trend line and is backward looking. It shows that Hillary has been dropping for the last couple of weeks, but doesn't include the events of the last few days. The actual last data point on the chart appears to be the ARG poll which showed a rise in Hillary's support and drop in Obama's. But, as I said, the Hillary rise relative to Obama seems to large and I'd look at other polls before accepting the ARG poll at face value.

[ginnyinWI]

43. Wednesday there is a debate on ABC

Hill v. Barack.

Just thought I'd remind everyone when you mentioned Wednesday.

[meow mix]

12. columbia effect..

i would bet

[me b zola]

19. K&R

:thumbsup:

[nebula]

27. Hillary campaign's self-swifboating continues

whatever she throws at him, it always ends up blowing up in her face.

[Arugula Latte]

28. Hillary is getting what she so richly deserves --

comeuppance for aligning with McCain against our fine future President.

[malik flavors]

29. is there a link to this poll?

[CreekDog]

33. it's not 1 poll, it's all of them at Pollster.com

http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

[AtomicKitten]

32. Love that trend.

[FlyingSquirrel]

34. Hate to have to mention this....

But all those polls were taken BEFORE "Bittergate" - with the exception of the ARG poll which gave Clinton a 20-point lead. ARG may not be that accurate (I don't think it is) but that's the highest lead she's enjoyed in any of the ARG polls. It's too early yet to see how this little manufactured outrage will affect the race in PA.

[boppers]

35. Selective Faux Outrage...

..tends to backfire.

[Hepburn]

36. Boy, that says it all.

Hillary shot herself in the foot with the bitter bullshit.

:evilgrin:

[Willo]

38. A Pinocchio nose dive n/t

[Bonobo]

39. The trend not only matters, it is the ONLY thing that matters.

[Zachstar]

40. It has backfired but can you crop that to 2008? It is hard to view latest results.

[IsItJustMe]

41. Some people are slow learners, but they catch on eventually.

[Brundle_Fly]

44. HILLarious.

eom

[returnable]

45. WHAT? You mean a corporate-loving daughter of privilege masquerading...

...as a blue-collar gun-lover is an unconvincing pose to most sane Pennsylvanians (and Americans)? I'm shocked. SHOCKED!

If there's one good thing to come out of this, it's that Hillary will never come close to national office again...

[Swamp Rat]

46. Bitter backfire

:D

[nebula]

47. 20-point lead wiped out overnight

That's gotta hurt.


The Hillbots must be feeling pretty damn B-I-T-T-E-R about that!

[Swamp Rat]

48. Well, Hilbo Balboa drew 'First Blood'.

Now she's in for it. :D

[JackORoses]

49. that is a massive chip on her shoulder!

only, I think it is a little bigger in real life.

[tabasco]

55. LOL!

Ol' Sourpuss McBitter.

[Kahuna]

50. We need Al Franken's slide whistle for Hillary's numbers.

:rofl:

[Perry Logan]

51. I question your logic. Obama's numbers might have been much higher without Bittergate.

We don't have enough information to evaluate the effect of Bittergate.

[Scurrilous]

52. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Medusa]

53. D'oh!

Another Clinton misstep. She simply can't read the mood of the American people, which is reason #1 why she has no business being president of this country. We've had one out-of-touch president who thought his shit didn't stink, we don't need another.

[Kablooie]

54. What was it that suddenly sent her tumbling down? Anyone know?

Looks like it was in early March.

[grantcart]

59. Bosnia

[grantcart]

58. todays gallup confirms it

[brentspeak]

60. Once again, the issue is not Hillary; it's McCain

as well as all the rural congressional Democrats who are now stuck between a rock-and-a-hard place both for campaigning for Obama and campaigning for themselves.