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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:22 PM Original message |
Clinton will lose for the same reason Kerry lost |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. He lost because Ohio elections were soooooooo dirty. Everything |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. right, I know that there could be fraud, but he should have killed GWB |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. He could have crooned like Sinatra and won every old-timer's vote |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. Agreed..The fix was in long before election day and I fear that |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. BULLSHIT! Kerry hunted for 50 YEARS. He wasn't BACKED UP by the Dem pundit class |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. It's not a matter of how fabulous he is at any sport |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. BULLSHIT AGAIN - he hunted for FIFTY FUCKING YEARS and an expert marksman - if the talking heads |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Listen, I really like Kerry and was thrilled to vote for him |
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fedupinBushcountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Anything but natural? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Now even Dems are easily told by the media that a lifelong hunter in a hunting jacket is 'phony' and |
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fedupinBushcountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I know |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. You're missing the point. He might have been authentic, but he didn't come across as authentic..... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. BULLSHIT - if the media had accompanied those events with the TRUTH you wouldn't be repeating LIES |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. What lies would those be? n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. The ONLY reason he was cast as a phony was because corpmedia NEEDED him to be seen that way and |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Let's be honest, Kerry looked like a dork when wind surfing n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. He didn't on the cover of Windsurfer Magazine in 1997. But you see what corpmedia TELLS you to see |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. WTF are you talking about? What was I suppose to do about Kerry looking like a dork?.......... |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. thank you... that was what I was trying to say |
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InfiniteNether (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. I second that. Ohio was definitely stolen. The best way to override |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
55. When machines are rigged by PERCENTAGES, then numbers don't matter. Kerry gained 10 million more |
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InfiniteNether (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. So what can we do? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. This shows more about you than Senator Kerry |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I agree. |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. BINGO. Hillary's weakness is trustworthiness and like-ability. I made a post earlier |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. Kerry lost because he didn't properly defend himself |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. there was that too I agree |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. Bullshit - he did - the corpmedia didn't show his speech attacking swifts. and He WON. |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. Exactly. n/t |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. Key word: AUTHENTICITY. Obama (rightfully or not) has it. Hillary doesn't. |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. It is also referred to as charisma, Obama has it, Kerry, Hillary & Gore do not |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Gore didn't have it in 2000 |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. Pandering with "I voted for it before I voted against it? Do you even know what you're talking about |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Yes pandering |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. No, |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. rightfully or wrongly, kerry indeed had an image problem. Was it the main cause of his loss? No. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. There is a difference between media supported distortion and Hillary's lies |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. Not in the effect they have on the public, unfortunately. n/t |
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fedupinBushcountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. I guess not |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I personally loved Kerry and was very proud to vote for him |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. Word !!! |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
14. Annie Oakley? |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Maybe Bonnie Parker? |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
40. Heh, heh....! |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. Also, why would Clinton bait Gore like that? |
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IndyHatedByBothSides (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
35. To poison the well before... |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Yeah... I was wondering if they knew something was coming |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
27. Is it okay now to associate Obama with any character we want? |
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IndyHatedByBothSides (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. But Hillary will get away with it... |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
30. Kerry lost because he has no charisma and a funny looking hound dog head |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Amen! |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. What Hillary supporters fail to realize is that only they like her. Nobody else does. And a fawning |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Not only that, but she inspires Republican turnout |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
58. What a lookist post. Cancel securing the election process, because 'looks' will get votes counted. |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
45. K & R |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-14-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
47. Kerry was authentic - thge difference is the media |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
51. Perception is reality |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
52. Hillary didn't "turn" into anything. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Why should we ask McCain, is he her new social secretary? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
57. Well, besides the fact that Kerry didn't lose either, you're entirely correct... |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
60. May be something to that, but this year the dynamics of the GE will be different. |
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