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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:45 PM
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The Clinton campaign is succeeding at disrupting the party process and staining Obama.
I believe that has been her goal. I think if the nomination is not hers, then she has other things in mind. She is so enamored of John McCain, even to using his talking points, that she might be considering teaming up with him if she does not get the Democratic nomination.

There is something not right about the way this "bitter" comment was released for use by the Clinton campaign...what was it..a week after he said it? I see that I am not the only thinking it.

There is an effort at Huffington Post to defend Mayhill Fowler, and the program she works for there called Off the Bus. I have wondered if the candidates are aware of this program, that some among them may not be what they seem.

You can read the article about her by Jay Rosen. He does not succeed in clearing up any of it in my opinion. It was a shady thing to do. If you truly support a candidate you would never ever try to sabotage them. And Mayhill Fowler did that.

The Uncharted from Off the Bus to Meet the Press

It is not at all convincing to me.

Would Russert pick up on the novelty of the situation? An Obama supporter and donor, who also wrote regular dispatches for Huffington Post's pro-am campaign news site, OffTheBus, recorded Obama's words at an April 6th San Francisco fundraiser, and then wrote about what concerned her in them. From there it exploded. Pretty good story! (As the Guardian recognized today.) Plus, it would allow Russert to sound a savvy warning: "Heads up, candidates, your supporters include bloggers and they exercise their First Amendment rights. Barack Obama found that out this week...."

It's not surprising to me that Tim erased Mayhill. And it's not a shock that some misguided Obama supporters tried to turn her into an enemy of the regime, which she is not. Or that Jay Newton-Small of Time magazine changed her scoop into a leak from someone inside the campaign to the Huffington Post.

We're in uncharted territory here. There are languages missing. People get mad when they don't know what to call things. So much so that Mike Allen of the Politico in 12 reasons 'bitter' is bad for Obama couldn't even find the word "website" to describe the Huffington Post, which became in his tortured rendering, "a liberally oriented organization that was Obama's outlet of choice when he wanted to release a personal statement distancing himself from some comments by the Rev. Wright." Sounds like a shadowy 527 group.


Jay Rosen has not convinced me at all that Mayhill Fowler is an Obama supporter. The oldest trick in the book is giving big money to a candidate, then trying to sabotage them in some way. It means nothing.

I am also very uncomfortable with what Debbie Wasserman Schultz is doing in Florida. She is the co-chair of the national Clinton campaign. She is keeping things stirred up here about the Florida delegates. She gathered a bunch of senior citizens and had them hold signs saying count our vote. The picture from the paper was blurry...but it sure is posed looking.



The article.

Democrats Rally For Convention Voice

Politics and seating the Sunshine State's delegates was just about the only table talk at a picnic and rally over Florida's lost delegate seats.

"We're here … trying to make sure that the 1.75 million people who voted in the state of Florida, who took the time on January 29th to come out and vote, get their votes counted," said club member Barbara Effman.

On Saturday, a scroll circulated throughout the crowd of nearly 3,000 Florida seniors who gathered for the rally. The older voters signed on to support a decision that could help determine the Democratic nominee for president.

"A scroll that has been signed all over the state of Florida … is here today, voters are signing to urge the Democratic National Committee to seat our delegation," U.S. Rep. Debbie Wassermann Schultz told the crowd.

Schultz, one of many organizers behind the effort to ensure Florida's votes are counted, said she believes Hillary Clinton can overtake Barak Obama if votes from Michigan and Florida are added to the mix.


Keeping things stirred up here in Florida so Hillary Clinton can win, even though it was the Florida Democratic leaders who went along and voted yes.

Not only that, union members from FL and MI are protesting in front of the DNC.

Unions pressure DNC to seat delegates

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Union workers picketed outside Democratic National Committee headquarters on Monday to pressure party leaders to seat delegates from Michigan and Florida at the party's summer convention.

About 40 members of the Michigan and Florida Building and Construction Trade Councils and other unions wore signs and handed out leaflets, creating the odd spectacle of union members, a core constituent of Democrats, demonstrating outside party headquarters.

The gathering was peaceful and the union activists, who were attending a Washington convention, did not prevent anyone from entering the party's offices. One union member wore a sign that read, "Guam delegates. Yes ... Florida. No?"

"To ignore just about 1 million votes I don't believe is something in our best interest," said Patrick "Shorty" Gleason, president of the Michigan construction union.


Someone asked me why I thought this was such a big deal. It is because FL and MI are the excuse Hillary Clinton needed to keep going until the convention. Even though the odds are against her, she has said she will not stop until they are seated.

Her campaign accepted and signed in on the DNC rules. She did not oppose them until she needed their delegates to win.






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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:48 PM
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1. Get real, Obama stained himself. nt
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:50 PM
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3. Actualy, nobody stained anybody.
Much ado about nothing. "Bittergate" is a swing and a miss.

Yes, Clinton swung, but she didn't connect. She should be praying that Obama doesn't take anything more than the swats he's taken so far.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:30 PM
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21. Obama's Third Strike...He OUT!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:34 PM
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We'l talk in June. I'll issue a full and public mea culpa here if Clinton wins.
Will you do the same?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:03 PM
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35. If Clinton wins, I'll buy you a beer..
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:58 PM
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45. ...and if Obama wins, I'll buy YOU a beer.
If Clinton wins, I'll buy you a 6-pack.


...but will you publicly state a mea culpa here at DU?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:37 PM
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48. What exactly is included in that youa culpa?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #45
97. He'll still lose in November.
At which point I'll buy myself a bottle of Crown Royal to celebrate!!!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:36 AM
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59. i want a shot of Crown
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:40 AM
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60. People are bitter. We are involved in a 3 TRILLION DOLLAR WAR
with no end in sight. Our jobs are being off-shored. Record number of forclosures. Energy and food prices are at record highs, our standing in the world is at record lows

There is no longer a steel industry in our country. Electronics, clothes and shoes are produced elsewhere.

We will know very shortly just how bitter people are, and how much they want a change

Incidently, I do not accept the OPs premise that Hillary is trying to destroy her Democratic opponent at the expense of a republican victory. She is trying to win at all costs, and I have no doubt either Democratic candidate will support OUR NOMINEE without hesitation, just as I will

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:34 AM
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57. I don't agree with the OP, and I don't agree with you either. Obama HAS NOT "stained" himself
He wasn't even suppossed to be a contender. Hillary effectively "ignored" the small states, she didn't need them. "Iowa wasn't suppossed to be like Mississippi"

Her whole campaign was about "only the states that counted"

Carville detested Dean, and it was Dean who gave birth to the 50 state strategy. We should NOT ignore ANYONE. Obama has learned from from Dean, and even the inclusiveness of Bill Clinton, something that Hillary and her campaign have not.

The only thing I think Hillary is out to do is try and win at all costs. I have no doubt that either candidate will support the Democratic nominee

I don't like Hillary's tactics, but I will vote for WHOEVER the DEMOCRATIC nominee is

Obama has revolutionized campaigns, and I think he will not only be our nominee, but win the general election, but as I said, the only thing that REALLY matters to me is that our Democratic nominee win the general election


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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:48 PM
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2. WooHoo!!! Hooray for us!!!
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:52 PM
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4. I guess the "politics of personal destruction" are OK
provided that your last name isn't Clinton.

Honestly, Hillary supporters, if her positions are so much better, why isn't she using them instead of doing this nonsense?
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:53 PM
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5. As if you guys haven't been trying to destroy Bill and Hillary for months.
puh-lease.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:54 PM
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6. Another one
gone by pushing the magic button.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:56 PM
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8. WTF? Can't handle a little honesty? People like you make me fucking sick.
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 05:57 PM by aquarius dawning
Don't you ever take me off of ignore you pathetic %$#@!.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:09 PM
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14. Classy.
So because "we've been trying to destroy Bill and Hillary for months" in your imagination, it's OK for Hillary and her subjects to scorched earth the Democratic Party and kiss ass with conservatives to do it?

This is the logical fallacy under which Fox News was created. Invent a liberal media myth in order to create a GOP propaganda reality.

I don't put anyone on ignore. I find high class, non-partisan, faithful Democrats like you worth watching.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:55 PM
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99. What imagination????
I have read more vile things against the Clintons here than in RW blogs.

Some of you have selective memory.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:54 PM
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7. Obama has been touting his Republican recruiting efforts.
Reap, sow & all that jazz.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:28 PM
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20. We need to appeal to moderate Republicans.
That is who he is appealing to, not extremists.

The party is ready for change, and the Clintons are not understanding or caring.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:35 PM
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26. Republicans won't touch Obama with a 10ft poll..
not after the Rev Wright Flap and the non-pledge of allegiance..

Obama's air of entitlement is stifling!

My parents are Republicans.. they are really upset at Obama's lack of respect for this country!
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:51 PM
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33. Do you have ANYTHING positive to contribute for Obama?
ANYTHING at all? If not, then you don't fucking belong in here - can't wait to see you gone.

Hawkeye-X
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:00 PM
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34. Yes, I do..
I posted my parents positive opinion here..

If you don't like it, use your ignore button and stop whimpering like a cry baby!
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:18 PM
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37. No, and I won't. So your parents like Obama, but you don't? Okkkk...
At least your parents were smart enough to dump you when you were old enough.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:42 PM
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49. Jaysus, kid... you need a breakk..
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 08:42 PM by Tellurian
step away from your keyboard and go fishing!

I hope you aren't weighted down with much responsibility...

Or near anything that can go ***boom***

you have to learn to pace yourself when you're at war..

you were on top last Thursday, I'm on Top today..ebb and flow..

hence, go with the flow!
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:18 PM
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76. At least he didn't have Rush Limbaugh shilling for him.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:58 PM
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Obama has been doing the same
The only difference is that he's in the lead and can promote the false impression that his nomination is inevitable, thus, giving him free reign to accuse Clinton of disrupting his coronation.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:58 PM
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9. The "party process" has been disrupted by the DNC's stupid and arrogant violations....
....of the Democratic Party Charter by denying Florida and Michigan Democrats their guaranteed participation in the nominating procedures.

Blaming either candidate for "disrupting the party process" by their trying to win the nomination is senseless and incredulous.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:37 PM
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27. I'm figuring madfloridian probably has you on ignore, so
I'd recommend you go here to sift through the dozens of incisive and myth-busting posts madfloridian has made re: Florida and Michigan. That is, if you're interested in learning the truth instead of braying like a jackass about violations of the charter.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:42 PM
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31. Braying like a jackass? Heh heh
Yes, I pushed the magic button on all braying jackasses. Thanks for responding for me.

:rofl:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:12 PM
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36. Ah, yes ....ignore the conversation and that will surely invalidate the message and the messenger...
Florida and Michigan had better be counted or the Democrats will be lucky to keep the House and will lose everything else as the bitterness of Democrats in those two states spreads nationwide.

Democrats disenfranchising Democrats - a fatal flaw if there ever was one.

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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:20 PM
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38. So you continue to ignore madfloridan's very useful posts on MI and FL?
Ok. You're not a Democrat, or have any right to call yourself one.

Hawkeye-X
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:32 PM
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40. I have read ALL his posts. He does a good job. But I just don't agree with him about....
..disenfranchising other Democrats based solely, I believe, on devotion to one's candidate.

The Democratic Charter says ALL Democrats will be guaranteed participation in the primary process. And disenfranchising rank and file members of the party for the stupidity or ineptitude of the party leaders is no excuse or reason for denial of that guarantee

I have always been an independent or unenrolled voter but am presently registered as a Democrat - in Arizona - where it probably will not do me much good.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:35 PM
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41. I don't think you read it at all.
He never mentioned any candidates being devoted to Floridians.

Yes, he mentioned Hillary's support for Floridians to be counted, but you and I know it's not gonna happen until the nomination's over.

Hawkeye-X
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:44 PM
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50. Read what I posted. Disenfranchising fellow Democrats for any reason is totally unacceptable.
All Democrats - even those not supporting your candidate - must be guaranteed FULL participation in the nominating process. So sayeth the Democratic Charter.

So it must be.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:48 PM
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52. Guarantee? No, not if they break the rules..
4 STATES were allowed the early nominating process, which was IA, NH, NV and SC. Any other states that goes in before Feb 4th broke the rules.

Both legislatures KNOWINGLY decided to violate the rules to call attention to their states, which failed miserably.

If they had waited, the whole thing would have been meaningful, so your argument holds no water.

Hawkeye-X
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:22 AM
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56. "They" - rank and file Democrats did NOT break any rules! The DNC and other party hacks did....
...but "they" - rank and file Democrats, will go to the polls in November and express their rage at being rejected by their party, no matter who the nominee is.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:54 PM
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98. Tell me again how the DNC forced michigan and fl to move up their primaries against the rules? eom
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:46 AM
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93. ..disenfranchising other Democrats based solely, I believe, on devotion to one's candidate
No it's called RULES. Rules they all agreed to in the begining.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:41 PM
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94. The stupid and arrogant calls for rule change disruptions by Billary......
which all candidates agreed to, but Billary wanted to disrupt and overturn those DLC rules once she realized she needed those state's votes. The "party process" IS the DNC, and that is what was attacked and disrupted by Billary.

I can't believe some are still clinging to this backwards logic.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:59 PM
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10. Her new TV ad on the "bitter" thing removed any chance that I would vote for her if she
gets to the GE. No way I'd vote for him, but Maybe McCain can't be as bad as her in the office.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:00 PM
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12. I just seen it too. It is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen in politics.
I will vote McCain before I vote for her.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:00 PM
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88. since her previous ad, anyway
and I'm sure that next week you'll find something new to be "outraged" about.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 05:59 PM
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11. Congratulations Hillary.. Your work at killing the Dems chances this Nov. is working great..
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:06 PM
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13. That scorched earth policy worries me about Hillary.
Her supporters hold the supreme court and women's rights over us as a form of blackmail to assure our votes in the fall no matter what. But Hillary and her supporters seem to be making it abundantly clear that if she doen't get the nom this time, her supporters, especially that traitorous 28% or so, will be more than happy to allow McCain in so Hill has a shot at 2012.

Whatta strategy. What hypocrisy.

The Michigan and Florida thing looks so gamed to me, what with her name being pretty much the only one on the ballot in MI and all, but she signed on to the rules then and to declare them unfair now and whip the voters of Fl into an ugly hysteria (which is what I see sitting here in WA observing, with a lot of people being maniputlated into hating the wrong people for the wrong reasons) shows something fundamental about her nature. She is divisive and those are the politics she plays.

And she is willing throw the supreme court and our future rights as women and humans under the bus to become president. She will divide us. And things ain't never gonna change.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:11 PM
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15. Great post, mad K'd & R'd
I got your back. People hate when you cite sources and check facts because it shoots basketball sized holes through their bullshit assumptions and assertions.

Keep up the good work.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:12 PM
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16. If you read the comments to Jay Rosen's article, you will see that the people are not buying
what he is selling. New election theme:

"We're not stupid!"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:14 PM
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18. I noticed that.
It was sabotage and they know it.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:13 PM
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17. As if Hillary ordered Obama to diss the god fearing, gun lovin' folks of Small Town USA.
:eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:15 PM
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19. The magic button
is being used again.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:33 PM
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77. You seem to think someone cares.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:30 PM
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22. it IS a scorched earth campaign, but Its backfiring on her big time.
sometimes, karma works.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:32 PM
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23. You went off the tracks in the first paragraph.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. No, I did not go off the tracks. The Clinton campaign is taking our party..
off the tracks. Deliberately.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:40 PM
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28. you know, I honestly don't know how her supporters can live with themselves
for pretending what you said is not true.

Its plain as the nose on your face: Clinton would rather destroy ANYONE"S chance to defeat mccain, even when they KNOW they will lose.

that's called bitter spite.

and yes, I used the word bitter.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 02:51 PM
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71. It does worry me.
She has used McCain's words and GOP talking points, according to the media.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1985

That's pretty bad.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:33 PM
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24. Mayhill...just look at this ad. Proud?
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:40 PM
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29. poor Obama and his followers, they have never participated in an election
before and they can't understand why his opponent would shout out against him... I am hoping and praying that Hillary goes to the convention and gives the young inexperienced politicos a good lesson.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:47 PM
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32. The button, where did I put it?
:nuke:

Bye
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:56 PM
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43. bye and good riddance
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:37 PM
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42. Excuse me?
Broadbrush much? I'm an over 45 white female who makes under $50,000. The "Hillary" demographic. And I'm supporting Obama. I've never missed an election, not even a local one. I wrote my first letter to a Congressperson when I was 10. I've been active and involved my whole life.

Nice try. And welcome to Ignore.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:58 PM
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44. You are way to young to see what you are doing by demeaning Clinton
maybe when you grow up and stop ignoring anything that is not pleasant to you you will see the light.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:59 PM
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100. Sure we have, and we recognize you even though transparent,
Same shit, different election. If I just looked at the comments and tactics I'd swear it was being coordinated by Rove.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 06:40 PM
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30. Another phony "protest."
A favorite CIA / GOP ploy. This is getting old, no offense to the golden girls and guys in the photo. :mad:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:43 PM
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51. It is getting tiresome. Wasserman Schultz is using and manipulating them.
That's how it has been here in Florida, and it is one reason I am so angry.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:57 AM
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64. I heard her on Stephanie Miller a few weeks back
and I was screaming at the radio after a few minutes.. "Hang up on this freeper, Stephanie!!!"
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:28 PM
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39. K & R
:thumbsup:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:25 PM
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46. Have you read Mayhill's other posts at Huff Post?
Trying to say that she is an Obama supporter is way over the line.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler

Sounds like Off the Bus might be being used to sabotage candidates.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:10 AM
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54. One title: Pennsylvania Campaign Journal: Obama Hams It Up, Flirts, And Gets A Bit Cocky
Does that sound like Mayhill is a supporter?

Or this?

The Obama Balloon Loses Air Over Texas
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:37 PM
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47. Don't sweat it. Hillary's campaign has been dead for weeks.
All you're seeing is reflex actions from a corpse that was decapitated back on Super Tuesday.

Soon we'll be able to turn our attention to bringing down McCain.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:05 PM
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53. With whose help?
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 10:05 PM by cornermouse
You're determined to drive off half of the party. All that will be left when you're done are the republicans and the Liebermans
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:11 AM
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55. If your candidate was as strong as you image none of this would worry you
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:34 AM
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58. You are so very wrong.
But then you knew that. Hillary is disrupting the whole process. It is hurting our party badly.

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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:02 PM
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69. Certainly doesn't help that she's doing mcsames dirty work. eom
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:50 AM
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61. Go Hillary....
Keep up the good work, Hillary. Campaign until the campaigning is done. We need you in the White House.

The only stains I've seen so far in this campaign have come from Obama, either from his own words or his affiliations.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:55 AM
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63. She is going beyond campaigning now.
.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:59 AM
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65. No she's not....
Not at all.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:55 AM
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62. Obama stained Himself when He soiled His robes sneering at small town America.
Fuck Him.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:02 PM
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67. Try again. eom
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:01 PM
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101. You sound like you almost
believe your own bullshit. You Hillarians need to realize that the Rovian inspired "elitest" pablum is a looooooooser.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:01 PM
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66. Seems her supporters are OK with destroying the party. They find it necessary
to rid themselves of progressives.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:02 PM
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68. Flying sinks harm everyone in the kitchen.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:25 PM
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70. I missed this comment from the Rosen post about Mayhill...it is insulting
"Mayhill Fowler before she was airbrushed out by Tim Russert and changed into a leaker by Jay-Newton Small is an Obama supporter who sometimes finds it necessary to be a critic of the campaign. She is also a citizen journalist with a platform: OffTheBus, which resides at the Huffington Post. Now if the term "citizen journalist" drives you nuts, or gets you up on your high horse, then call her a writer with a page on the Web that can reach the rest of the news system. The point is Fowler is a particular kind of Obama loyalist, a particular kind of contributor to his campaign. The kind with a notebook, a tape recorder, friends in the campaign, a public platform of decent size, plus the faculty of critical intelligence. The campaign doesn't know what it thinks about such people"

A particular kind of supporter? Yes, Jay Rosen, a very particular kind who is willing to sabotage.

I know what I think about deliberate efforts to hurt a candidate you "support."
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:46 PM
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72. Bringing up stuff the R.s will bring up anyway (and in a worse manner)...
...does not hurt us. It may immunize us from similar attacks in the summer and fall. Frankly, the way you guys have been painting Obama like some kind of canonized saint, his image really had nowhere to go but down anyway. If the facts or the public perception of them tarnish Obama's image, then don't blame the messanger.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:49 PM
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73. Baloney...no one paints him as a saint. I have some great ammo on the Clintons
Do you think I should post to give the Republicans stuff as well?

It is not usually my style to dig out stuff and post it just to hurt our own party. But do you think I should so it will immunize in case she is the nominee?

Let me know what you think, ok?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:20 PM
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74. Mayhill Fowler says Obama campaign being "classy" to her.
Still allowing her access. She does not sound to me like an Obama supporter. Not at all.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/woman_who_broke_small_town_sto.php

"The woman who broke the Obama "small town" story for The Huffington Post may have come under relentless fire from some Obama supporters after the news broke, but she has one word to describe the response she's since received from the Obama campaign itself: "Classy."

I just spoke briefly with the woman, Mayhill Fowler, and she said that though she created the worst and most sustained controversy for Obama since Jeremiah Wright's sermons surfaced, Obama campaign aides haven't directed any anger or punitive action in her direction.

"They haven't denied me any kind of access," Fowler said. "From the time I started following them around last June, they have been a classy operation, and I still think they are. They haven't treated me any differently than before."

Fowler rejected charges -- voiced in the blogosphere and elsewhere -- that she'd deliberately broken the story to harm Obama on Hillary's behalf.

"There are still a lot of conspiracy theories out there, that I'm a Clinton campaign plant. None of that is true," she said, adding that covering the campaign was a great pleasure that consumes her "24-7."

Well, JuneHill, MayHill, count me among those who don't think supporters of a candidate should write so much bad stuff about them.

Read her posts for yourself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:02 PM
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75. So Obama opens his mouth and Hillary put shit it it?
Good thinking! Why the hell is Hillary responsible for anything Obama says? Isn't that a Rovian tactic????? Blame the Clintons no matter what! Obama opened his mouth and crap spewed out from his own uppity tongue! Stop finding a way to blame the Clintons! Obama and his supporters need to learn that HE has to take responsibility for his own misspoken words. I'm sick of listening to him say this is what I really meant...not what I said. Then he gets more TV time to defend himself and blame Clinton. That's pretty dirty politics! But Obimites don't realize they have a devious candidate.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:38 PM
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79. What has happened to you?
You never used to be that vitriolic.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:02 PM
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85. I know...it really isn't like me but I read too many anti-Hillary posts and
just lost it and have learned to be nasty. See what ya all did to me...made me bitter and now I need to go to church. Maybe I'll recuperate and maybe I won't...we'll just have to wait and see. Maybe you better pray for my withered up old soul before it's too late.

Funny thing is I asked myself the same question. I don't know me anymore. It's all DU's fault! I also don't recognize a lot of other people around here either.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #85
89. Well, I did not do it. I post truths.
But I will speak up when it seems warranted.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:19 PM
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90. You post truths in your mind...but not mine.
Your OP was not TRUTH. It was your opinion and your opinion was all wrong. IMHO
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:34 AM
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92. Well, that is the way of the world.
Hillary is hurting the party by refusing to follow the rules everyone else follows, and by attacking her Dem opponent and supporting Obama.

Sad.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:05 PM
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78. I beg your pardon...isn't Obama staining his own pants?
I sure hope so! I can't visualize how Hillary could do it for him. Doesn't he even have control of his own potty training?
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:41 PM
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80. I have never seen as many crybabies in one camp before. Obama has
really taught his followers how to wallow in it. Grow up and get real, this is politics.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:50 PM
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82. I have been a mild Obama supporter.
I identify with progressive politics and the Democratic Party.

Hilliary has crossed the line and you know it in your heart of hearts. Please, the sooner you realize that she cannot win without destroying the party the better and the sooner WE can start attacking mcsame.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:14 PM
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86. sorry, I am with Hillary until the end.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:09 PM
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87. LOL the BITTER end? huh eom
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:02 PM
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102. Whatever you say Karl.
Can't wait for the inevitable end.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:42 PM
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81. And in making herself look like a fool in the process.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:51 PM
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83. In a perfect world, she is only hurting herself.
Each day that passes, she not only loses this bid but any chance at a go in 2012. As it should be.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:56 PM
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84. Why is no one from the party doing anything?
Where are Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, and John Edwards?

All her campaign is interested in doing is harming our INEVITABLE democratic nominee.

Why doesn't they ENDORSE Barack? Don't let her drag this out. End it now.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:22 PM
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91. The official statement is as soon as primaries are over...supers weigh in.
I imagine that is how it will happen after June 3.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:52 PM
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96. You really hate the democratic system don't you?
She is just following the agreed upon rules. And we know how important they are don't we?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:51 PM
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95. Oh please, Obama's condescending words about working people is what did it.
Now Hillary is supposed to not use his "bitter" remarks? Why? She's his opponent, not his teacher (even though she has taught him plenty).

People may be frustrated, but they sure as hell don't appreciate being called bitter behind their backs at a fat cat's fundraiser.

Like someone else said, elitism is a state of mind and Obama is as elitist & arrogant as they come.
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