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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:12 PM
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Obama's "Annie Oakley" tirade was NASTY and creepy. Stop the LIE. This guy's a FRAUD!!
And trying to whip up the crowd? He IS out of touch - and a bully to boot. And thin-skinned. Jesus, his WIFE called him an "accessory".

That Annie Oakley bit was the nastiest piece of politicking I've seen someone go face to face with. Yuck.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:13 PM
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1. Wow
I thought I had you on ignore already.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:36 PM
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39. exactly
sometimes the slime oozes back out of the crack somehow.

... just for the hell of it, where was all this fauz outrage of hiwwawy's b.s. for say the past 3 months?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:58 PM
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112. Yeah, I thought I did too....
Oh, well....

I can still crap on his post:


:hurts:

There we go!! all sweet and clean!!

:patriot:
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:40 PM
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123. I knew Annie Oakley, and Senator, you are no Annie Oakley.
BTW, Annie used bird shot.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:26 AM
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131. Yeah, what's up with Obama thinking you hunt ducks with a six shooter?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:01 AM
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142. Maybe they hunt ducks that way at elite private Hawaiian prep schools?
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 07:02 AM by MethuenProgressive
Might be an intramural activity?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:15 PM
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2. Tell Hillary to stop, and it will stop
If you dont like that idea, tough shit.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:15 PM
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5. It was hilariously funny -- my family just spent ten minutes laughing at it
It was a BRILLIANT rebuttal -- and it's why Obama is going to win and win big.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:16 PM
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6. "Annie Oakley" is the nastiest you've seen?
That is sarcasm right?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:16 PM
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7. Gosh...Trying to whip up the crowd. How awful....Hillary would never try to do that
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:16 PM
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8. bwahahahaha
wow. hillarian hysterics. she's attacked him and made snide jokes at his expense over and over againg. that's politics. you thought that was over the top nasty? Too funny.

:rofl:
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:20 PM
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18. Face it, Obama was totally off key and off kilter. What a mess! That was the funny part -
except - OMG - that man has convinced some folks he can be President.

You can fool some of the people all of the time - but there IS still time for some to see the glaring LIGHT.

Shame, shame, shame.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:23 PM
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24. Crown Royal must be kicking in, huh?
You must be DAD.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:25 PM
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27. face it, you're acting very bizarrely
relax. Either he or she will be the nominee. And both have a good chance of winning. She's attacked him far more and far more vigorously and with a higher nasty quotient than he's attacked her. This just isn't that big a deal. And your shame shit is just silly.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:38 PM
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42. yes of course, i now see it...
edwards was a dismal failure as a candidate. you thought barack stole his chance against hillary. now you're a bitter chap. well then, carry on!
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:52 PM
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107. Your attitude proves Obama's comments were a HOME RUN. n/t
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:01 AM
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159. and some believed Mr. Hedge Fund could be prez.
:hi:
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:17 PM
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9. yawn
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:17 PM
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10. He made her look like the pathetic liar she is
It was delightful
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:17 PM
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11. It was hillarious and she asked for it. That's why people were laughing
WITH him.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:18 PM
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12. double yawn
seriously...the worst you have ever seen?

Disingenuous much?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:18 PM
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13. Aw, shucks.
When your candidate gets booed trying to slime another with out of context smears I guess you have to take umbrage with any little thing. Fauxtrage, I think it's called.

Remember "The sky will open up, and the choir will sing, and the sunshine...." Bullshit Hill tried some time back???

Time to crank up the WHHHHAAAAAAAAMMMMMBULANCE!!!!!!!!!


:cry:




:patriot:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:18 PM
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14. KICK!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:19 PM
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15. I agree
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 07:19 PM by Jake3463
I have a great deal of respect for Annie Oakley and he's damaged her good name by using Senator Clinton in the same sentence.

He should apologize to her descendents immediately and compare her to more fitting figures in American folklore.

An Angry Sasquatch would be more appropriate.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:03 AM
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161. Why do you hate the Sasquatch family? n/t
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:19 PM
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16. "That Annie Oakley bit was the nastiest piece of politicking I've seen someone go face to face with"
Are you just now tuning in? :rofl:
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:20 PM
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17. what a sheltered life you must live in...
Sorry.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:58 AM
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156. alright, but when he gets called names, don't come cryin'. If you dish, you must be prepared to
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 11:00 AM by Mezzo
take. Cripes you guys can't even deal with his middle name, let alone calling him shit.

whatever.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:20 PM
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19. The guy is an educated fool.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:08 PM
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117. Who's become so mentally lazy he can't stop shooting himself in the foot with a machine gun.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:17 PM
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121. When you educate a fool, what have you got?
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mrJJ Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:21 PM
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20. Calamity Jane is better
Calamity Jane is much more appropriate. Annie Oakley was much to nice. The Clinton self-swiftboating lying campaign goes directly to my point.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:56 PM
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63. Annie Oakley really could handle a firearm.
She traveled with one of those Wild Bill Cody western shows for years.

She was very talented, and was something of a heroine to some of us who grew up in the '50s and '60s. If you couldn't be Annie Oakley, you had a hard time playing Cowboys and Indians in my neighborhood.

I thought that the imagery was a little off, myself. Some of those older guys probably remember their sisters in their Annie Oakley outfits.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:21 PM
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86. Sorry, gotta go with Annie...
Hillary IS Annie Oakley, at least according to Irving Berlin:

Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better (from Annie Get Your Gun)

I'm superior, you're inferior
I'm the big attraction, you're the small
I'm the major one, you're the minor one
I can beat you shootin', that's not all

Anything you can do, I can do better
I can do any thing better than you
No you can't, Yes I can, No you can't, Yes I can, No you can't, Yes I can, yes I can

Anything you can be I can be greater
Sooner or later, I'm greater than you
No you're not, Yes I am, No you're not, Yes I am, No you're not, Yes I am, yes I am

I can shoot a partridge with a single cartridge
I can get a sparrow with a bow and arrow
I can do most anything
Can you bake a pie? No. Neither can I

Anything you can sing I can sing louder
I can sing anything louder than you
No you can't....

Anything you can buy, I can buy cheaper
I can buy anything cheaper than you
Fifty cents, Forty cents, Thirty cents, Twenty cents
No you can't, Yes I can, yes I can

Anything you can dig, I can dig deeper
I can dig anything deeper than you
Thirty feet, Forty feet, Fifty feet, Sixty feet
No you can't, Yes I can, yes I can

I can drink my liquor faster than a flicker
I can do it quicker and get even sicker
I can live on bread and cheese
And only on that? Yes, So can a rat

Anything you can reach, I can go higher
I can sing anything higher than you
No you can't....

Anyone you can lick, I can lick faster
I can lick anyone faster than you
With your fist? With my feet, With your feet? With an axe
No you can't, Yes I can, yes I can

Any school where you went, I could be master
I could be master much faster than you
Can you spell, No I can't, Can you add, No I can't
Can you teach, Yes I can, yes I can

I could be a racer, quite a steeple chaser
I can jump a hurdle even with my girdle
I can open any safe
With out being caught? Yes, That's what I thought, you crook

Any note you can hold I can hold longer
I can hold any note longer than you.
No you can't, Yes I ca-a-a-a-an, Yes you ca-a-an

:shrug:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:49 PM
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104. Advance transcript from the PA debate?
BTW, I saw the revival of Annie Get Your Gun on Broadway a few years back. Reba MacEntire did a great job as Annie Oakley. Please, don't ruin my memories by dragging Hillary into the picture!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:03 PM
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114. Sorry, but the song lyrics are just so...
perfectly Hillary!

:shrug:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:28 AM
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132. Calamity Jane was a nice woman, if you believe Deadwood: the Miniseries
Hillary reminds me of the hard-as-nails widow woman,
not as sympathetic a character as Calamity Jane if you ask me.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:21 PM
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21. See how it works? Hillary's cutting remarks about Obama are vile and disgusting.
But when Obama does it, it's just oh so rollicking funny, he's just splittin their sides with that condescending humor of his. I'm waiting for him to do a video of looking under tables and saying, "Where are your supporters, Hillary? You must have left them somewhere, ha ha ha."

Despite his attempt to belittle Hillary, he chose the wrong comparison. I've always admired Annie Oakley. She left all the men in the dust.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:32 PM
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34. Ha ha ha - best laugh all day, thanks!
I knew his Annie Oakley spiel reminded me of something - it reminds me of W going around the stage in 2000 after he'd twisted Gore's statements about the Internet......"if he's so smart, how come all the email addresses start with Dubya!" Then, to make his point, he said it in his Spanish II, "dooble vay! Trip-play dooble vay!" Yeah, the pro-Bush crowd lapped it up.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:22 PM
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22. He is an out-of -touch elitist. And yes, his outburst was nasty amd creepy.
I hope HRC wins super big in PA. Adios Obama and none too soon.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:04 PM
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76. The McClinton talking points arrived early today I see
But you got the "nasty and creepy" and "out of touch elitist" all in one post.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:34 PM
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90. "Nasty and creepy." SQUAWK!!!! Did you guys get your talking points already?
:rofl:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:14 AM
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152. blah, blah blah, yawn. I'm waiting for post obama gaffe poll numbers
read them and weep when they come out.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:54 PM
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109. I'll echo what Obama said: Shame on Hillary. She knows better. Shame on her. n/t
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:12 PM
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119. I have to admit.. one thing I never thought I'd see
some rich white folks call a black man an elitist. :rofl:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:16 AM
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153. Elitist thinking has nothing to do with skin color or money.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:42 PM
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165. Spoken like a true non-elitist...
How would you know. Are you in the club? Maybe we have different definitions of "elitist".

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:17 AM
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166. Take a look at a dictionary; learn something for a change
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:22 PM
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23. Were you saying this when Hillary was in Ohio scolding Barack like a schoolteacher!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:24 PM
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25. ..All I can say to that is:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:25 PM
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26. get out of the kitchen
baby.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:25 PM
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28. Waaaaahhhhhh!!!
Obama's picking on Hillary!!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:26 PM
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29. lol. Hillary supporters can give but they can't take it.
Wimp
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:00 PM
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71. Yeah crybabies
:cry: :rofl: they get compared to Annie Oakley and start whining :hurts: ... :nopity:
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:05 AM
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162. She's gonna shed fake tears again! n/t
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:01 PM
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73. Bingo! nt
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:26 PM
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30. How any Hillary supporter can dare to attack Obama for going negative is beyond me.
You and I think so differently that we must be different species. I can't believe I ever had common cause with your kind.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:27 PM
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31. Please. Nasty is cozing up to the Repubican against a fellow Democrat.
Nasty is resorting to gutter politics because you had no long term strategy. You are ridiculous. Hillary is ridiculous.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:31 PM
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32. He's been that nasty all along. For the life of me, I don't know why people don't see it.
That's been his style all along, he attacks while acting like he's defending himself, and he lies constantly. He's a bully, but he's the same kind as Bush--he can make those who want to believe in him believe he's really the nice guy. Like Bush, he could be videotaped drowning a kitten and make people blame his adversary for showing the tape.

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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:38 PM
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43. I don't know about drowning kittens, but I have seen Obama's nasty, looking down the nose thing
from the beginning.

The surprise this time, is that the attack was so unhinged. Usually he let's others do the dirty work. This was ugly, to see him wielding the hatchet so clumsily.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:07 AM
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163. 29,000 posts and no star? n/t
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:32 PM
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33. Oh, please.
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 07:33 PM by ocelot


And now, welcome to my Dungeon of Ignorage.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:33 PM
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35. are you huffing rubber cement? omfg....
ROFL
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:34 PM
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36. I think he's trying out his "angry Obama." Nothing like watching a spoiled Harvard nerd pitch a fit.
Full disclosure. I am a nerd, but I'm not spoiled, and being merely mortal I was forced to attend a mere mortal university. This is why I did not have salad 101 as a part of my general studies program, and to this day remain tragically lacking in knowledge on the subject of arugula and how much said arugula might cost at a Whole Foods. Also, I have never gone bowling in a tie.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:37 PM
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40. As opposed to the Yale nerd who pitches fits daily.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:58 PM
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111. And lies like she was Beazalbub himself. She truly is unstable....
...Illusions of grandiosity alternating with profound paranoia and self-victimhood, periodically interspersed with maniacal laughter, with occasional fits of crying.

Hell, it sounds like a weather report from the DSM-IV-R.

Someone please get her back on her lithium. Her mental instability is approaching the critical stage.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:39 PM
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44. Yeah, I'm sure Obama, the son of a single mother, was spoiled out of his mind.
Way to swallow the spin.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:50 PM
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56. Oh no
We might have a President that was smart enough to go to HARVARD LAW! BTW they don't teach salad 101 at Harvard Law.

He went to Occidental College for 2 years than transferred to Columbia.

You are a mindless Hilbot who doesn't even know what your talking about.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:35 PM
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37. Hillary endorsed McCain over Obama
that's the nastiest, creepiest, sleaziest shit i have seen.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:25 PM
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88. Stop believing your own lies!
She didn't endorse McCain! She said she and McCain had more experience than Obama. Anything about that statement not true? Has Obama had more experiences than McCain? I think not. She was stating a simple fact that was also the truth. No wonder you guys hate so much...you exaggerate...distort the truth and believe your own fairy tales.
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:25 AM
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147. Yes Obama has had more
relevant experiences appropriate to being a leader in today's world than McCain has had.

I can't figure out why people - in knee jerk fashion - so readily acquiesce to this pervasive, but totally unexamined meme that being a prisoner for five years de facto qualifies as experience relevant to being a good President.

Does not compute - does not compute

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:54 AM
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154. I repeat...how can a 41+(?) have more experience than a 71+ year old?
That's all she said. How can someone who has been in his first term in the senate have more experience than McCain who's been there forever? If you read what she said...she didn't endorse McCain or say he had more world experience than Obama. You mind readers who love to distort what Hillary says and means...fill in your own angry thoughts and then go around saying and repeating your hateful distortions as if they were true.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:36 PM
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38. He is trying to change the subject, don't fall for it
same thing when he apologizes for using the word bitter, it was not that word, it was the concept of what he said about people turning to religion and guns as a result of economic situation. Calling them bigots and anti trade.


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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:41 PM
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46. He sure is trying to change the subject,
he's good at deflection, and throwing his problems onto everyone else. It wasn't about the word bitter, and he knows it. Annie Oakley indeed, "Anything he can do, she can do better."
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:59 PM
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69. Like Hillary changing the subject from Penn and Colombia
This whole bitter tirade has allowed her to avoid questions about Bill and Mark Penn's back door dealings to get the Colombia free trade agreement passed.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:02 PM
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74. Obama gave her the gift that keeps on giving
HuffPo released and it sucked all the other news stories out of the room

It changed the subject for her


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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:52 PM
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108. It was the word "bitter" that's why she had the bitter stickers premade
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 09:54 PM by WIllo
But, alas, when bitter didn't stick they cried, "no, no, we meant to say "cling", yep, that's the one, "cling""

Too frigging late, now you gotta make more buttons and stickers.


Cling to that.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:53 PM
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60. That's not what he meant, and you know it.
He's talking about people who have lost their futures, their savings, their jobs, even their homes, and who now, in reaction, cling to what they have left - their religion and their tradition of hunting - and god help anybody who can be spun into looking like they threaten THOSE. That's why the repukes, who have done all this to them, are successful - after taking everything else away from them, the repukes convince them the Democrats are about to take their guns and god, which is all they have left.

Yes, the people ARE bitter, and that bitterness is there as a weapon to be turned against us unless we acknowledge it and control the message, to keep the right from manipulating that bitterness against us.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:59 PM
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70. He said what he meant
you are going to get dizzy trying to spin it
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:37 PM
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41. I do announe this post to be the stupidest of the day.....n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:40 PM
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:43 PM
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47. Rattle those pots and pans
I say, shake, rattle and roll
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:43 PM
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48. How right you are Chimpy.
He would be almost a worse embarrassment than bush talking to world leaders. It makes me cringe to think about it.

The only way he would win the nomination is to buy it. Then the dismantling of this phony would start until he was a laughing stock by November.

I wouldn't vote for him if Hillary asked me personally.

I'm influencing everyone around me too that trusts me. I'll cost him every vote I know how.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:45 PM
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51. Do you live in PA, IN, NC
Because I'm doing the opposite in PA so we cancel each other out now don't we :-)
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:44 PM
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49. I concur
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:45 PM
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50. You HYPOCRITE ! SLICKHILLY pulled her "Shy's are going to open" show mocking Obama in RI and you
have nothing to say about that. Tit for tat you HYPOCRITE !
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:23 PM
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122. Psssst. Stop telling it like it is...
They don't like it, and they're sensitive as all get out - just like their candy-date.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:49 PM
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53. Your post is fucking
insane...you condone hilary's lies but if Obama answers her back you go all fucking APE SHIT. Obama has never said one attack word about her BOSNIAN SNIPER LIES but calls her Annie Oakley cause she's playing politics with WEDGIE ISSUES and you get your picture of John Edwards and his family up there and talk shit..you're not a good representative of John Edwards.

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."


<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:21 PM
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95. Where did you get that picture
Is that of Doha?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:49 PM
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54. I thought it was funny. And clever of Obama.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:50 PM
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55. I laughed out loud.
And I didn't even use all-caps when I did it.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:51 PM
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57. I don't know about fraud
....but certainly divisive.

What's his "faith" about? Is it bitterness?

But that was the least of the quote. It is the patronizing I can't stand. And that seems pervasive.


I don't want his "love" thank-you.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:51 PM
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58. I would have to disagree; I've heard what I consider much worse
from others; that was mild, to say the least. If Hillary can't take that, she has no business running.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:53 PM
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59. It was hilarious. The four people I showed it to also laughed. Maybe Hillary Oakley can run in 2016.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:54 PM
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61. Thanks for reminding me! Let's relive the hilarity!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:58 PM
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68. "C'mon!"
:rofl:
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:06 PM
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77. I loved the "Hillary out there in the duck blinds" part n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:07 PM
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79. C'mon!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:11 PM
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83. I know. LOL! Camo and L.L.Bean boots.
Sure, Hillary, whatEVER!

lol
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:06 PM
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78. Thank goodness for Hilarity Clinton.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:56 PM
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62. The only problem with the comparison
was that Annie Oakley wasn't a fake and a liar. If anything comparing her to Annie Oakley was too complimentary.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:57 PM
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64. Yeah, Annie Oakley is so much worse
than what Clinton and republican talk shows have been insinuating and calling Obama.(on Mars maybe)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:58 PM
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65. What the fuck have you got against Annie Oakley ?
Sexist! :bounce:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:58 PM
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:00 PM
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72. CMON chimpymustgo! You know better than that!
:rofl:
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:58 PM
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67. Wow. How dare he be so chipper!
This was supposed to make him drop out, fall on his knees, and beg forgiveness for trying to dethrone the rightful Queen of America. The dastardly wretch has the nerve, not only to go on, but to do it with a smile on his face! Pass the Crown Royal.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:02 PM
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75. THAT's what it is. That's what's bugging them so much!
That he can laugh at it, that he doesn't get up in front of the cameras and pitch a hissy fit when he's insulted. And he can dish it back with a smile on his face, and they can't take it. He's not reacting the way Hillary and they wish he would. Thank you.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:07 PM
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80. Precisely -- she's George H. W. Bush next to Bill Clinton
She just cannot deliver a punch that Obama doesn't block and then uses for his own advantage.

It's certainly going to be fun to watch him take down McCain.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:09 PM
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81. It was the first time in a while he made me happy
About fucking time he fought back
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:09 PM
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82. Ah,
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:12 PM
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84. Tell us how you really feel chimpy.
If Hillary called Obama Billy the Kid they'd be called racist.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:13 PM
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85. Creepy, bullying, unhinged --- Indeed
And nothing new of course from Obama -- just worse under pressure. Truly bizarre.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:44 PM
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92. Under pressure!! That was a pipe about to burst. It's hard out there for an accessory
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:22 PM
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87. What part of the 'silly season of politics' are folks not getting here?
Hell, I can hardly wait for tomorrow's next episode of..Days of Our Political Lives, or One Life to Elect, or how about General Election!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:26 PM
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89. Baloney, everyone we talked to today just loved it. He was funny.
She asked for it.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:38 PM
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91. I think Clinton deserved to be challanged on her gun and hometown stance.
And, it was good clean fun. I enjoyed it.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:46 PM
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93. Really. Well, chimpymustgo, I'm assuming the you are chimpy, and you must go.
Goodbye.
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:04 PM
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94. Translation?
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Bonaparte Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:21 PM
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96. Who is this Annie Oakley anyway?
to be honest I don't even know who Annie Oakley is. It's the first time I ever hear her name.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:36 PM
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97. That's right..stop the lies Hillary!!
here's the link for those who can handle the truth...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo
GOBAMA!!

---A few of the greatest hits from the Campaign Trail for your viewing pleasure...all video available at the link!....

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/
Bill and Hillary Clinton’s Top 8 Lies to Voters on the Campaign Trail
#1 Bill Clinton lied to voters at their rallies and said he had been opposed to the Iraq war from the start.

#2 Hillary Clinton lied and said she had been opposed to NAFTA. After an advocacy group sued to have her First Lady records released, it was revealed that she had supported and advocated for NAFTA.

#3 Hillary Clinton lied to voters about a trip to Bosnia claiming she was running for cover and did not attend a greeting ceremony.

#4 Bill Clinton lied to voters about Barack Obama’s Iraq record.

#5 Bill Clinton just completely made up a story to supporters about Obama dismissing the 90s.

#6 Hillary Clinton said she was instrumental in helping bring peace to Northern Ireland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA&eurl=http://... /

#7 Hillary Clinton lied to Iowa and New Hampshire voters about whether she would try to count the Florida and Michigan primaries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08W-jgyLlA&eurl=http://... /

#8 Hillary Clinton lied at one of her rallies and said she began criticizing the Iraq War before Barack Obama did
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/


Another favorite...
Hillary Clinton siding with George Bush and throwing John Kerry under the bus circa 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

And let's not forget these beauties....
December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)



Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.



http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.



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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:38 PM
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98. That was one of the best few minutes of this entire campaign
My husband and I were watching it on Keith and laughing our asses off. He is so frickin' great -- GOD, this is what I've been waiting for in a politician. He takes Hillary's fake bullshit and slops it back in her stupid face. Way to go, Barack!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:41 PM
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99. He looked and sounded like a whiny kid having a temper tantrum
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:44 PM
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100. It was perfect and funny as hell.
Hillary Sybil McClinton had it coming.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:46 PM
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101. That's the nastiest piece of politicking you've seen?? You've obviously never seen Hillary Clinton.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:47 PM
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102. Just stop it...it's so mean...you meanies!!
:rofl:
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:50 PM
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105. Obama was begging for the WAAAAHmbulance!!!
:rofl:
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:48 PM
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103. The following movie has been rated R due to extreme violence!
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 09:50 PM by Bigleaf
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:51 PM
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106. QUIT WHINING. Jesus F. Christ, after what Hillary has spewed...
...Obama's comical take on the situation did two things: it addressed Hillary and her unending bullshit lies, and it did it in the best way possible.

I'm looking forward to that picture of Hillary Clinton in a duck-blind. Let me know when she puts it up on her campaign website.

They have figured out how to run that website by now, haven't they? She spends so much time in the past, I wonder if she can even use an electric tooth brush.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:55 PM
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110. It was FUNNY!
SPOT ON as well.

The Monster deserves everything coming down on it.


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Octoldit Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:01 PM
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113. The Clinton's are loaded with Corruption.
It amazes me that with all the decades of crime and murder of the Clinton's that the Bolshevik media find some petty non-issue to blow out of proportion and attempt to trick the American people. Don't be fooled they want to destroy the Constitution and take away our rights and freedoms:

THE CLINTON BODY COUNT
A partial list of those who have died around the president. The following is a partial list of people with connections to the Clintons who have died under suspicious circumstances.


THE MOST RECENT


James McDougal
Banker
Died March 8, 1998
Jim McDougal was serving his three-year sentence for bank fraud at the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center in Texas, a facility operated by the federal Bureau of Prisons for inmates who need medical attention. Just prior to another round of testimony before Kenneth Starr's grand jury, McDougal, while in solitary confinement, suffered a heart attack that may have been brought on by diuretics forced on him. When Jim McDougal was finally taken
out of solitary, instead of attempting to defibrillate his heart with equipment on hand at the facility, he was driven over to John Peter Smith Hospital. Not the closest hospital to the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center, John Peter Smith hospital is a public hospital, where (in the words of one local) ,"They let
interns practice on deadbeats."

The single most damning fact to come out of the McDougal death was his injection with Lasix, a diuretic, to force his giving of a urine sample for drug testing, even though McDougal was not a known drug user. Lasix is contra-indicated in cases of heart disease and can cause excessive diuresis, blood volume reduction, circulatory collapse and vascular thrombosis or blood clots. If a matching potassium supplement is not administered at the same time, Lasix can kill. McDougal may have been taking the heart medication Digitalin, which cannot be combined with Lasix. Several inmates had gone public with the claim that McDougal was given a heavy injection of Lasix right after he ate lunch, but the prison system has refused to allow those prisoners to be interviewed or to release McDougal's medical records. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram recently acquired the official report of the McDougal death via a Freedom Of Information Act request, and found that doctors ignored McDougal's signs of imminent death.


Ron Miller Witness Died Oct. 12, 1997

Ron Miller, investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape-recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using "straw donors" to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron Brown's son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him to the Commerce secretary, according to Nolanda Hill's testimony. Reportedly a healthy man, Miller suddenly took ill on Oct. 3, and steadily worsened until his death nine days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller's blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.


Mary Mahoney White House intern Died July 1997

An attractive 25-year-old woman, Mahoney was a former White House intern for Bill Clinton working as the assistant manager at a Starbuck's Coffee shop in Georgetown. Gunmen entered the Starbuck's while the crew was cleaning up after closing. Mahoney's two associates, Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory Evans, 25, were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in her, from at least two different guns, most likely with silencers. A total of 10 shots were fired; none of them heard by neighbors in the densely populated Georgetown section. Mahoney was shot in the chest, her face, and in the back of the head. Even though more than $4,000 remained in the store, the police have categorized the triple murder as a robbery, even as they acknowledge the "execution style" killings. There was no sign of forced entry. One report said the cafe was still locked when the bodies were found the next morning. George Stephanopoulos, Monica Lewinsky and Chelsea Clinton were all regulars at the Starbuck's.


THE MOST FAMOUS

Vincent Foster White House Counsel Died July 21, 1993
Found dead in Fort Marcy Park in Virginia of a supposed suicide by gunshot. A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, torn into 28 pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by White House staff and materials removed. The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the investigation of it. Like Clinton, Foster was from Hope, Ark. He worked for the Rose Law firm with Hillary Clinton. London Telegraph reporter Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reports a member of the Foster family has confirmed to him that Foster and Mrs. Clinton were lovers. Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons' personal finances. Foster was involved in an investigation of their finances, and reportedly made a phone call to Hillary Clinton, in Los Angeles, just hours before his death. Recently, the signed report of medical examiner Dr. Donald Haut was uncovered at the National Archives. It stated that Foster had a previously unreported gunshot wound to his neck. Finally, an FBI memo has surfaced dated the day after the date of the official autopsy, in which the autopsist informs the FBI that there was no exit wound.


William Colby Director of Central Intelligence (ret) Died April 27, 1996

William Colby had been the DCI from 1973 to 1976 under Nixon and Ford. At age 76, Colby had found a new career and had just started writing for Strategic Investment at the time of his death. This had worried many insiders in the intelligence community who felt that Colby had already divulged too many of the CIA's secrets in the preceding years. Indeed, his dismissal by Ford because of his over-cooperation with congressional investigations into CIA wrongdoing. It was Colby who had revealed to Congress the plans to kill Fidel Castro, the spying on American citizens (in direct violation of the CIA charter) and the conducting of biological tests by the CIA on unsuspecting citizens. He was replaced by George Bush. According to the original CNN report, Colby was reported missing by neighbors who "recovered" his canoe, by one story from under the dock at Colby's house, by another report, a quarter mile downstream. Colby was, by all reports, a methodical, tidy man, yet police found his home unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table.

The official story is that Colby just put down his fork and decided to drop everything and go canoeing. Colby at 76 was still a world-traveler and consultant to many corporations. He recently became an editor of an important financial newsletter, "Strategic Investment," which covered the Vince Foster "suicide" in detail. Its editors hired three renowned handwriting experts to investigate Foster's suicide note, which hadn't been found when his briefcase was first searched, but later materialized, torn into pieces, with no fingerprints on any of the pieces. Upon comparing this document with others of Foster's writings, these experts declared it was a forgery, and a not very good one at that. Colby had old enemies as well as new, with plenty of motives for his extermination. He was in charge of the infamous Operation Phoenix during the Vietnam War, in which more than 20,000 South Vietnamese citizens -- supposedly Viet Cong sympathizers -- were rounded up, tortured and executed. In the 1970s he opened some of the secrets of the CIA to Congress: "Colby insisted on going public about the agency's role in tapping the telephones and opening the mail of Americans; plotting the assassination of Fidel Castro, and using human guinea pigs for mind-control experiments involving LSD," the Times reports. On Monday, May 6, Colby's body was found just 20 yards from where his canoe had been recovered, in an area that had been thoroughly searched several times by helicopters and search teams. Most notable about the body was the absence of a life jacket, which according to his wife, Colby always wore on the water.


DEAD BODYGUARDS

Maj. Gen. William Robertson Deputy Commanding General, V Corps, Europe Died Feb. 23, 1993 Col William Densberger V Corps Chief of Operations and Plans Died Feb. 23, 1993 Col. Robert Kelly V Corps Chief of Intelligence Died Feb. 23, 1993 Spec. Gary Rhodes Crew Chief Died Feb. 23, 1993 All were killed when their Army UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter crashed in Weisbaden, Germany. No cause was ever determined. V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt. These men, and eight others associated with Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt all died within four months of each other.
Steve Willis Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Robert Williams Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Conway LeBleu Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Todd McKeehan Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Killed by gunfire in the Waco, Texas, assault on the Branch Davidians. All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in Waco -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas, office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for president, and one while he had been governor of Arkansas. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style. All four were treated by a "private physician."


Alan G. Whicher Died April 19, 1995 Oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. In October 1994, Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whicher was the only agent killed in the bomb blast of April 19, 1995.
Five Navy aviators Clinton bodyguards/escorts (names not determined) Died March 26, 1993 All died in the crash of an E-2C Hawkeye in Italy. The crash occurred shortly after the plane was "waved off" from a landing attempt on the Carrier Roosevelt, due to a "foul deck." All five men had been Clinton's escorts during Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt two weeks prior. Three other men, who had flown Clinton to the Roosevelt for that visit also died later in a helicopter crash.
Staff Sgt. Brian Haney Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 Maj. William Barkley Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 Capt. Scott Reynolds Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.
Unknown SS agent Killed when the C-130 carrying the presidential limos crashed near Jackson Hole, Wyoming.


DEAD FUNDRAISERS

C. Victor Raiser II National Finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign Died July 30, 1992 Montgomery Raiser Son of C. Victor Raiser II Died July 30, 1992 Both men died in a private plane crash in Alaska, en route to a fishing expedition. No cause was ever determined. Five others not connected to Clinton died with them. DeeDee Meyers described Raiser as a "major player" in the Clinton organization. Victor raiser was also chairman of Mobile Telecomm Technologies Corp., whose subsidiary, SkyTel Corp. is an international paging company used by federal police agencies such as the FBI. Victor Raiser was a Washington lawyer and he was counsel to the Washington law firm of Jones Day Reavis & Pogue until 1991. At his death, he was the national finance co-chairman of the Clinton for President campaign. He and his wife had been friends of the Clintons for ten years. He was the past national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He served on the boards of the Democratic Business Council and the Center for National Policy and the board of advisers of the Democratic Leadership Council. On May 29, 1993, President Clinton announced that he had selected Raiser's widow, Molly Raiser, 50, former Democratic co-chair of the Women's Campaign Fund, to be his protocol chief and stated that he planned to nominate her for confirmation as an ambassador.


Paul Tully Democratic National Committee Political Director Died Sept. 24, 1992 Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock Arkansas of "unknown causes." No autopsy allowed. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor. Tully authored several key strategies for Clinton and the party. Paul Tully, 48, Democratic National Committee political director and architect of a strategy to make the party competitive again in presidential elections, was found dead in his hotel room on September 24, 1992, in Little Rock, Arkansas of unknown causes. Authorities speculated his death was from a heart attack or stroke. Tully devised a strategy of targeting states based on their value in the Electoral College, and coordinating the presidential campaign with state and congressional races.


Ed Willey Real Estate Attorney, Clinton Fund Raiser Died Nov. 30, 1993 Died of a shotgun blast to the head. Body found in deep woods in Virginia. Ruled a suicide, no note was found. Died on the same day his wife was allegedly sexually accosted in the White House by Bill Clinton. Intimately involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fund raiser. Died March 1, 1994 Killed when his plane exploded. Cause unknown.
Larry Lawrence Ambassador to Switzerland nominee. Larry Lawrence was a fundraiser, made famous by his burial at Arlington which revealed not only the special treatment given him but the depths of his legal troubles prior to his being nominated as ambassador to Switzerland. Less well known is that at the time of his death, allegedly from a heart attack, Larry Lawrence had just come under criminal investigation by the State Department and had (as had Ron Brown) indicated a willingness to cooperate.


DEAD WITNESSES

Luther Parks Head of Clinton's ecurity team in Little Rock. Died Sept. 26, 1993 Gunned down in his car at the intersection of Chanaul Parkway and Cantrell Road, near Jacksonville, Arkansas, (near Little Rock). Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver's side of Park's car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol. His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was stolen. When news of the discovery of Vincent Foster's body was reported, Parks is reported to have said, "Bill Clinton is cleaning house."
Bill Shelton Arkansas state trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson Died June 1994 He allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head at the grave site of his fiancee. Officer Shelton was the fiancee of Kathy Ferguson, who was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy Ferguson also committed "suicide" a month earlier by allegedly shooting herself in the back of the head. Oddly, next to the body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere. Danny Ferguson is a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones' sexual harassment suit. His ex-wife was reported as a corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.


Kathy Ferguson Ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson Died May 1994 Died of a supposed gunshot suicide in her living room. There was a suicide note found by the body. However, friends were surprised at having noticed nothing wrong previously. And even more curious, found nearby were several packed suitcases, as if she expected she was going somewhere. She was the former wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson, who is the Arkansas state trooper alleged to have escorted Paula Corbin Jones to the hotel room for her alleged episode of sexual harassment by then-Governor Clinton. Ferguson's wife was reported as a possible corroborating witness for Jones.
Gandy Baugh Died Jan. 8, 1994 Attorney representing Dan Lasater in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct. Died in an alleged suicide by jumping out of a window of a multi-story building. Lasater was a close associate of Gov. Clinton, and was convicted of cocaine distribution. Baugh's law partner was also "committed suicide" one month later on Feb. 9, 1994.


Dr. Ronald Rogers Dentist from Arkansas Killed in plane crash as he was on his way to an interview with a London Sunday Telegraph reporter to reveal information about Clinton scandals.
Stanley Huggins Partner in Memphis law firm Investigating Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, he was reported to have succumbed to viral pneumonia. His 300-page report has never been released.
Calvin Walraven A key witness in Joycelyn Elder's son's drug case. Ten days after Elder's son was convicted of trafficking in cocaine, Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot blast to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman, said no foul play is suspected.


Neil Moody Died Aug. 25, 1996 Following Vincent Foster's murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went to jail for contempt, Judge Moody's son, Neil, died in a car crash. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among his stepmother's private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another person. Then his car sped off and hit a brick wall.
Johnny Franklin Lawhon Died March 29, 1998 In the spring of 1997, a tornado ripped through some junked cars at Johnny's Transmission shop and opened up the trunk of a car that proved to have a box of Whitewater records in it, including a copy of a $27,000 cashier's check drawn on Madison and payable to Bill Clinton. Lawhon realized what he was looking at and turned the box of documents over to the FBI. According to police, Lawhon and a friend hit a telephone pole at a high rate of speed after their car had become airborne and left the road. They had driven less than a quarter mile at the time of the impact.
Eric Butera An informant who came forward offering information regarding the murder of White House intern Mary Mahoney. He was then sent into a known crack house to make an undercover buy for the police and was beaten to death.


DEAD WOMEN

Suzanne Coleman Had affair with Clinton when he was attorney general. Died of "suicide" with gunshot wound to the back of her head. No autopsy allowed. Was seven months pregnant at time of her death. She had told friends it was Bill Clinton's child.
Paula Grober Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf. Died Dec. 9, 1992 Died in a one-car accident with no known witnesses. Her body was thrown 33 feet from the car, indicating a very high speed. A very attractive woman, Paula traveled extensively with Clinton from 1978 until her death. Clinton, through a spokesman, called Gober's death "a great personal loss." He also said, "Hillary and I extend our sincere sympathy to Paula's family. I had the privilege of working with her over many years."
Judy Gibbs Penthouse model and call girl Judy Gibbs, who appeared in the December 1979 issue of Penthouse, and her sister Sharon were part of a house of prostitution in Fordyce, Arkansas, that also engaged in blackmail of its more powerful clients. Linked to Bill Clinton by both her own family and by one of Bill's bodyguards, Judy had just decided to cooperate with police in an investigation of Arkansas cocaine trafficking when she burned to death inside her home from a fire of undetermined origin.


DEAD INVESTIGATORS

Paul Wilcher Washington attorney investigating gun running out of Mena, Arkansas. Died June 22, 1993 Found dead on a toilet in his Washington apartment. No cause of death was ever reported by the coroner. At the time of his death, he was investigating connections between the "October Surprise" during the 1980 federal election campaign and drug and gun-running out of Mena, Arkansas, as well as the assault on the Waco, Texas, Branch Davidians. Was planning on producing a television documentary on his findings. He had delivered a 105-page affidavit to Janet Reno detailing the evidence he had collected regarding the drug operation at Mena, just three weeks before his death.
Jon Parnell Walker Resolution Trust Commission investigator Mysteriously fell to his death from an apartment balcony.


COMMERCE DEPARTMENT DEATHS

Ron Brown Former Chairman, DNC; Commerce Secretary Died May 3, 1996. Ron Brown died along with 39 other people when the T-43 (a converted 737 used by the Air Force) carrying the group on a trip to Bosnia crashed while approaching the Dubrovnik airport. On the verge of being indicted and having stated his willingness to make a deal with prosecutors, Ron Brown's death brought to an end his ability to testify. Military investigators concealed from the public the fact that a perfectly cylindrical hole, the size of a .45-caliber round, was found in the top of his head. No autopsy was performed.
Barbara Wise Commerce Department staffer Died Nov. 29, 1996 As the scandals continued to swirl around the Commerce Department, and most of all about John Huang, one of Huang's associates, Barbara Wise, was found dead in her locked office at the Department of Commerce, partially nude and covered with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced.
Charles Meissner Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy. Following Ron Brown's death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearance by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Charles Meissner died in the crash of a small plane.

THE HENRY - IVES DEATHS A.K.A. THE "TRAIN DEATHS"

Kevin Ives & Don Henry Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on railroad tracks in Arkansas on Aug. 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the state medical examiner Fahmy Malak, appointed at the pleasure of Gov. Bill Clinton. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon part of the Mena drug operation.
Keith Coney Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 while being chased by a car. Ruled a traffic accident.
Keith McKaskle McKaskle had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988. He had told his family someone was out to kill him and told them "goodbye."
Gregory Collins Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot blast to the face in January 1989. Declared a suicide.

Paul Olson A federal witness in investigations to drug money corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished two days of FBI interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on Sept 8, 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994, Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.
Jeff Rhodes He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, specifically that his hands and feet had been partially sawed off, leading to the speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed. The body was then burned.
James Milan Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes, claiming that the victim's small dog had eaten the head, which was later recovered from a trash bin several blocks away.

Richard Winters Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry, and had offered to cooperate. He was killed by a shotgun blast to the face during a "robbery" in July 1989. Dan Harmon, the prosecutor to whom Winters reportedly made the offer, has been accused of involvement in the Kevin/Ives deaths and is now in jail for running his office as a racket.
Jordan Kettleson Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:04 PM
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115. Why did she even mention guns!!!!!
she had ne need to bring up guns and she had no need to drink whiskey.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:05 PM
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116. and Hillary's attacks were sweetness and light??
:wtf:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:09 PM
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118. Here is someone else saying much the same thing
"Time to kick the fake Obama to the curb". Not that well written but the passion is sure there from this New Yorker.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=2814749773191
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:15 PM
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120. I can't believe I'm the first.... LEAVE ANNIE OAKLEY ALONE!!!!
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PragmatismRules Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:43 PM
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124. Annie Oakley
Clinton should thank him for the complement - - - Annie Oakley was tough, talented, and ahead of her time!
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:51 PM
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125. Lie did you say??
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truth please Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 10:56 PM
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126. No she's the fraud
they asked her when was the last time she went to church or shot a gun and she wouldn't respond. Liar, Liar, pants on FIIIRRRREEE!
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:13 PM
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128. Maybe she had to shoot her way out of church?
You know, while dodging sniper fire?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:11 PM
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127. I think it was great and it will make me work for him HARDER. n/t
n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:38 PM
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129. Nonsense. He's ridiculing someone for their ridiculous behavior. n/t
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:23 AM
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130. I found it refreshing. Looks like Obama drew blood, if the OP is any indication
See, Obama could tack left on many issues, if he, like Kerry before him
would only come out and stake out a position as the "don't f#$k with me
candidate." Americans care more about strength in a fight and are willing
to listen to the person who shows strength regardless what their policies
are. The only way to fight for liberal laws to get passed is to stake
out a liberal position and defend it with strong words against the
naysayers and pink tutus who seek to belittle you and cast you as the
"everyone's dirty" candidate. To do so with a bit of humor is even better!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:32 AM
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133. I think I saw it like 3 or 4 times today and I laughed out loud every single
damn time.

Barack has GREAT comedic timing and you could tell he was having fun.
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IamyourTVandIownyou Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:27 AM
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134. I agree; picturing her in cowgirl gear is both nasty and creepy.
Math is real.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:31 AM
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135. Wow
Feigned righteous indignation over Annie Oakley.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:33 AM
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136. She was talking about a father daughter experience. He made fun of her.
He acted like a bully.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:56 AM
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155. HE acted like a bully by punching back?
C'mon McCamy, listen to the nasty crap she said about him for three days before he said that.

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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:39 AM
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137. It made him look very UN-presidential...more of something like a standup comic
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:39 AM
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138. A bad stand-up comic - flop sweat and all. It was derisive and over-the-top AND HE KNEW IT.
I have found him very difficult to watch these days. We are seeing the facade peeled back - the the real BHO is UGLY.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:02 AM
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160. Oh so Clinton can do that "skies will open" bullshit
But Obama can't get up and crack jokes about his opponent? If you think smiling and laughing is ugly then obviously Obama isn't the candidate for you.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:41 AM
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139. Very low class indeed.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:05 AM
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143. Obama has even found a way to divide the races playing basketball
Just watched Brian Gumbal with Matt Lauer talking about white on white basketball players, black on black, playing black on white players. Jesus H Kerrist!! Apparently, everything about Obama is divided into black and white. His 2004 speech calling the country a nation colored red, white and blue was the selling of the biggest crock of arrogant feel good bull shit while hiding behind the mask of racism. :puke:
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IowaGirl Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:50 AM
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140. Thanks for this post.
Though Annie Oakley is a pretty cool folk hero so if he wants to associate Hillary with her, that's not all bad. :kick:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:58 AM
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141. You've got to lighten up. That was really, really funny.
Obama has great timing, too. (Hillary supporters seem to conveniently forget the Hillary rant about the heavens opening, choirs singing, etc. which was, apparently, a huge comedy hit for your side.) Can't wait for the SNL duck hunting skit.
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dger11 Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:10 AM
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144. Obama's anti-2nd amendment convictions have surfaced
over the last few days in subtle statements like this. At least Hillary is trying not to make this the bogeyman that scares voters away.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:35 AM
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149. And when exactly did this party become pro-gun?
Oh right, Hillary is running for the GOP nomination apparently, not the Democratic one.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:11 AM
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145. WHO Barack Obama ISN'T!
Amazing MUST SEE video..The most concise example of WHO Barack Obama ISN'T!

'WORDS'
Obama the Master Liar!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8w7kViQfY&feature=related
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:11 AM
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146. oh,
k&r! lol..
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:32 AM
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148. It was absolutely fucking brilliant
AND hilarious.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:57 AM
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150. It was NOT funny. He was SO desperate and demeaning. He needs to put the HOPE mask back on!
This one's mightly ugly.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:59 AM
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151. You must go. Bye!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:59 AM
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157. it was pretty unbecoming of him... Reminded me of an Alpha Beta pickin on a Tri-Lamda
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:13 AM
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164. lol nt
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:00 AM
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158. I completely agree...
I think it showed his true colors. It was like watching another Bush. Cocky, arrogant, nasty. It was terrible. And let's not forget - all over (once again) his own words. All because he was called out on his elitist attitude.

K&R

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