Umm...Barack...About Indiana....You are going to be Soooo bitter.

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http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d8b46eaa-c463-408e-98d2-b830eb122d39

Since 3/31 - Clinton +3, Obama -4

Clinton 55, Obama 39.

It is not looking good in the Hoosier state for next-door neighbor Obama.

[Hepburn]

1. "Hide Thread" is your friend...

...click.

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3. LOL -

LALALALALA I can't hear you.

[redstate_democrat]

38. What about North Carolina

and the fact that she is down 150 pledged delegates? Numbers are pesky things.

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46. I am sure it will all work out in the end...

Thanks for your concern.

Now...how about freaking Indiana!!! 16 Points!!!

[redstate_democrat]

60. No seriously...what about North Carolina

Oregon, Montana, etc? What about the 150+ deficit she can't make up? What about the fact that he needs fewer superdelegates to win than Clinton? She cannot win the primary so it does not matter that she is ahead NOW in Indiana. Just like Penn, Indiana's polling will close much tighter than this.

Hillary will have a bombshell drop on her before this week is out. That's how these things work.

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63. Oregon and Montana will fall in line.

It won't be

16!!! points, but it will be more than 3 or 4.

Barack Hart is old news.

:-)

[redstate_democrat]

85. Hillaryous

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You must have taken a sip of that Crown Royal Hillary was knocking back the other night. Or perhaps you're sleep deprived like Hillary was when she invented the Tale of Tusla. Yeah, that must be it.

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86. Must be...

Here are the next three primaries..

PA - Hillary

Guam - Hillary

Indiana - Hillary

[Texas Hill Country]

110. go ahead and "cling" to the belief that superdelegates cant change support... its cool.

[Sinistrous]

69. You wouldn't understand even if you were listening.

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71. 55 > 39

This politics stuff is hard work!

[Sinistrous]

76. Thank you for proving my point. Thread #1 wasn't about numbers!

:rofl:

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77. You are right.

It was about denial.

[Skittles]

72. hilarious, no?

:rofl:

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75. Well...

I just hope when people take their index fingers out of their ear canals that they wash their hands.

[2rth2pwr]

6. There's nothing left on this site for you to read, what are you gonna do now?

[JoFerret]

92. Just a typical republican white person

...would be more accurate and as an opportunistic cynic i am happy to trash successful democratic presidencies on their economic record.

I am as a god!

[Cameron27]

41. For heavens' sake

why would you hide this thread?

[PBS Poll-435]

48. Denial is a very private...

and a very ugly thing.

[rodeodance]

84. you must get get lots of sand in your nose when you bury your head so often

[SunsetDreams]

2. It never has...she was expected to win there

Congrats to her on the poll predictions :)

[PBS Poll-435]

4. But Clinton by 16?

When Chicago shares media markets and commuters?

[SunsetDreams]

7. are you expecting a reaction by your continued questioning?

sorry, I wished her well and I meant it.

I guess my reaction is not the one you aimed to get.

Best of luck to her.

[PBS Poll-435]

9. No....she was NOT expected to win there.

Nobody did any polls until after Ohio/Texas/RI/VT.

Nobody really knew how it was going to turn out.

[SunsetDreams]

19. If that makes you feel better

I'll concede you're point, that there have been contests since those states.

[PBS Poll-435]

24. I thought just one...

MS. 1 week after kindamaybesortasuperTueday.

[SunsetDreams]

30. I guess in your view

Wyoming didn't count?

I won't fault you for that with a top down strategy.

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33. You know...I forgot all about Cheneyville.

I honestly did.

[SunsetDreams]

40. I'm sure you did

It's no longer the 13 colonies anymore.

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43. Ok...

Yeah. I forgot the media all abuzz about Wyoming.

[SunsetDreams]

49. If only she could go Pre-1964 she'd have it made in the GE

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53. Ohh.....you got me...

Seriously.

16 Points....16 Points....

Obama in Terre Haute over the weekend...and Clinton has actually gained ground on him.

[SunsetDreams]

56. it's not going to be a loss really...

it will be a win for her, and Barack will congratulate her just like he has for her other 13 wins.

[PBS Poll-435]

59. Good.

Then we are on the same page.

'Night.

[SunsetDreams]

62. same page but different analysis of the information.

Good night :)

[PVnRT]

98. Yes, in one corner of the state

Beyond Gary/Hammond/South Bend, the Chicago media market means absolutely nothing.

[PBS Poll-435]

101. So...

Is it an advantage or not.

I never said it was game-ending.

[PVnRT]

103. No, it isn't

Only the Gary corridor relies on the Chicago media; outside of their, the only Chicago station most people see is WGN, and then only for sitcom reruns and Cubs games.

[PBS Poll-435]

109. I don't get it...

You say that a large population center of Indiana is in the Chicago media market.

And then you say that isn't an advantage to Obama.

[PVnRT]

111. Large, yes, but not a majority

I was referring to the state at large; I'm used to dealing with Chicago people who think Indiana consists of five counties in the north.

My gut tells me that Gary leans towards Obama, but they also consistently elect liberals anyway, so whether or not the Chicago media has any influence at all is doubtful.

[PBS Poll-435]

117. I know...

It is like swimmers than shave their arms. It isn't a huge advantage, but every one-hundredth of a second....

[cliffordu]

5. My wife lived there for 20 years....

She says it's Major Klan turf, outside the area up near Chicago.

Anything above a 20 point loss would be a fine thing in that environment.


:patriot:

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8. Wow...

That is seriously frightening.

Why would 'Klan' members be voting in the Democratic Primary?

[cliffordu]

37. Nope - She learned of the Klan at an early age from her father

and the vestiges of it, culturally exist even to this day - it has more in common with Kentucky just to the south than with Illinois to the west. Even in this day there are LOTS of people who wouldn't vote for an AA to save the lives of their children...which might be the stakes by November.

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44. That is offensive.

That is all. Nasty and offensive. This is 2008.

[cliffordu]

54. So??

I live in one of the most "elitist" liberal west coast areas and I can go into a tavern in town and listen to men say they'll NEVER vote for an "N-word".

IT is nasty and offensive but it is true. If you think Hillary is going to take Indiana because she has a base of any sort you're out of touch with the fact that the only person hated by the redneck population there MORE than Hillary is Barack.

How many points did Bush take Indiana by last election????

For dems, I believe Indiana is a waste. Kind of like Texas, without the hats.

[PBS Poll-435]

57. This is 2008.

If freaking Wyoming and North Dakota will vote for Barack Obama...I would say it really isn't an issue to Democrats.

Now nasty Hannity Republicans....there really is no hope.

[VeraAgnes]

91. You may need to see a Priest

to help you purge those demons.

[Name removed]

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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[TahitiNut]

58. The Klan had almost complete control of Indiana government in the 1920's.

This is fairly well-known.

For example...

During the 1920s, five million Americans joined the Ku Klux Klan. Hoosiers turned out in record numbers, making Indiana 's Klan the largest, most enthusiastic, and most politically powerful Klan in the country. Between one-fourth and one-third of native-born white Hoosier males joined the group (see document 5), and there were auxiliary organizations for women and children. At its peak in 1925, Indiana 's Klan could boast more members than the Methodist Church, the state's leading denomination.

This “second” Klan was organized in 1915 in Atlanta . In 1920, the southern group began a national publicity campaign, and the first Indiana chapter opened in Evansville in the fall of that year. A few people joined, but then a huge membership drive led by D. C. Stephenson from 1922-1924 brought in 118,000 members across the state (see document 6). Stephenson moved to Indianapolis and started a newspaper, The Fiery Cross, which ran from December 1922 to February 1925. In 1924, Klan numbers overwhelmed the state's Republican Party and elected the governor (Ed Jackson), a majority in both houses of the legislature, and nearly all of the state's thirteen congressmen.

The Klan's legislative program for 1925—directed against parochial schools and Catholic influence in public schools—was a complete failure. But other problems proved more pressing. D. C. Stephenson, the leader (Grand Dragon) of the Klan in the state since 1923, was a charming personality and powerful orator; he was also arrogant, cunning, evil, and hedonistic. Early in 1925, he assaulted, raped, and held captive his young secretary Madge Oberholtzer, who took poison and died one month later. Stephenson was indicted, and when Governor Jackson (who had now distanced himself from the Klan) refused to pardon him, Stephenson leaked information that to Jackson 's trial for bribery (the governor was acquitted on a technicality).

As a political influence, the Klan faded quickly in Indiana, but its social and cultural influence dovetailed more subtly into Hoosier life. Klan literature capitalized on American racism, nativism, patriotism, and traditional moral and family values. Klan members targeted blacks, Catholics, and Jews, but also immigrants, political radicals, feminists, intellectuals, gamblers, bootleggers, thrill-seeking teenagers, and motion picture producers (see document 7). In one sense, Indiana's Klan was a populist organization: it engaged community interests, presented a program of action, and promised political changes. The Klan's message of patriotism, American superiority, and Protestant Christianity united native-born Hoosiers across many lines—gender, geography (north and south), class (white and blue collar), religious (many denominations of Protestants), and residential (urban and rural). But this populist club also propagated a negative and wicked influence. Klan members committed no lynching in Indiana, but their marches, burned crosses, brazen publications, and boycotts of community businesses evoked fear, intimidation, and lifelong trauma (see documents 2-4). Historian James Madison has observed that Indiana's Klan “cannot be dismissed as either an aberration or as simply the insidious appeal of a fanatical few. Nor should the Klan be seen as thoroughly dominating the state and accurately reflecting racist, violent, or provincial beliefs shared for all time by all Hoosiers” ( The Indiana Way, 291). Somewhere in the middle we find the meaning of the Klan in Indiana history.

http://www.iub.edu/~imaghist/for_teachers/mdrnprd/lstmp/Klan.html

See also ... http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE7D71631F936A35752C0A964958260

[PBS Poll-435]

61. Thanks for the notation.

Nor should the Klan be seen as thoroughly dominating the state and accurately reflecting racist, violent, or provincial beliefs shared for all time by all Hoosiers” ( The Indiana Way, 291)

What did freaking Alabama & Mississippi look like 88 years ago?

[TahitiNut]

64. I didn't know there was a competition. Are you awarding some kind of prize?

Always seeking that "lesser evil" huh?

:eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

65. Right...

But using history from nearly a century ago as justification for why Obama is losing ground after a month of campaigning there isn't really honest, ya know.

:eyes:

[cliffordu]

70. Hmmm. I don't know - I saw separate drinking fountains outside

Doathan, Alabama when I was there in 1969.

Those attitudes and hatreds are passed down the generations like a fucking virus.

This is a racist country. There are a lot of white folks that will not vote for him as a result of their racism.

It sucks but it's true. WE NEED the youth vote out like locusts to get Obama elected. Has to happen. I want to see the reign of the old white man back room deal maker brought down in MY lifetime.



:patriot:

[cliffordu]

67. LOL: And the second place prize for the biggest bunch of Assholes goes

to..........


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Sorry -




:patriot:

[tblue]

16. So the state that voted for this guy

http://www.topplebush.com/humor/britain_bush_jpg

also likes Hillary. O-tay......

[PBS Poll-435]

26. Just like Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, ....

Your point?

[PVnRT]

99. Yes....in the 1920's

There are Klan holdouts in part of the state, but this is no Klan stronghold, unless you think Klan members elected people like Birch Bayh and Vance Hartke in the 1960s.

[PBS Poll-435]

104. I can see that you are fair.

Good on ya!


:toast:

[DesEtoiles]

10. ignored

[PBS Poll-435]

11. Thanks for the kick!

Wow 16 points!! That is really something!

[JI7]

12. Evan Bayh is going to be VP if Hillary somehow ends up Nominee

[PBS Poll-435]

14. Maybe...

Although I hope she picks Obama.

He seems likeable, enough.

[tblue]

17. Where'd you hear that?

[PVnRT]

100. I doubt that

He brings little to the ticket, and will not deliver Indiana. Democrats are making gains every where but in presidential contests in this state, and Bayh, though popular, will not change that.

[thoughtcrime1984]

13. That's a ways out yet, I expect some gap closure

to 5-8% range. That'd be acceptable to me, and I believe it is possible. He will hit it much harder after 4/22. The more he campaigns somewhere, the more he gains ground. Weird.

[PBS Poll-435]

20. Yeah...

Like a month of campaigning in Pennsylvania and Indiana.

Since March 11 in PA, he has been anywhere from 38-45%...until today's two polls...now it is back to 37-44%.

And Indiana...well let's not go there. In two weeks of campaigning, he has dropped 4 points, and Clinton has picked up 3. 55% solid support + 2 or 3% undecideds... :woohoo:

[thoughtcrime1984]

28. Polls do not equal final results

I seem to remember him easily winning Wisconsin when it was supposed to be close. I remember an absolute drubbing in SC, that was far outside the MOE. He lost by 2 in NH when he was supposedly winning. I will almost guarantee you won't get the numbers you are expecting. We won't know until 4/22 and 5/6, where Obama is looking great in NC, but again, it's too early to really tell, now isn't it?

[PBS Poll-435]

36. Nah...

PA and IN are going to be like Ohio. His support 1 month out is pretty much unchanged on election day.

[thoughtcrime1984]

45. Like I said, we'll see. nt

[Ellipsis]

15. Proud n 2000 ?

[PBS Poll-435]

21. Nope...

Prod.

[B Calm]

18. Hillary will win Indiana in a landslide only because republicans can cross over!

[PBS Poll-435]

22. That must be it!!! You solved the riddle!11!!

Nah...people are have Obama fatigue.

[datopbanana]

31. ya, especially NC! like 29% of the people hate him there!!

[PBS Poll-435]

55. They will come around to Hillary.

[Raejeanowl]

23. Perhaps

I also saw a very dramatically rebounded lead for Clinton in a smaller survey from Pennsylvania, earlier today; this turnabout from a previously shrinking poll advantage was supposedly provoked by the same remarks in question. While I hope the criticism of his continually dunder-headed comments is eventually taken more seriously across a broader base, survey polls are just that, and I will wait for the actual primary results before I credit a change in the popular perception or his electability vs. McCain.

[PBS Poll-435]

27. A very thoughtful and reasonable answer.

What in the hell are you doing in GDP? :P

[Raejeanowl]

50. Oh Dear, I'm Doomed Now-LOL

No, I've been avoiding the place for the most part these days. You know, the same old tiresome, circular schoolyard shenanigans:

[PBS Poll-435]

52. GREAT picture!

And very representative of GDP!

:toast:

[Quixote1818]

Well, Obama usually closes the gap by about 20 points so he should win there

by about 5 points then.

[PBS Poll-435]

29. Like Ohio!

Hell...Zombie/CSPAN/Reuters had him ahead in Ohio!

[Quixote1818]

42. Hillary's lies about NAFTA put her over the top in Ohio. The cat is out of the bag

on her true feelings about NAFTA now.

[Swamp Rat]

25. Bitter iz az bitter duz

:D

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32. I love your pictures!!!

I will never criticize you.

Even that one is kind of funny.

Why does she think yellow is her color? It really isn't.

[Swamp Rat]

78. Here ya go:

:D

[PBS Poll-435]

81. Oh....that is simply fantastic.

It works on so many levels!

You are so talented!

:pals:

[thoughtcrime1984]

35. Now that's the only worthwhile post I've seen in this thread!

:rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

39. It is just 'math.'

:rofl:

[thoughtcrime1984]

47. Which you don't understand if you think Hilly will win the nom. nt

[PBS Poll-435]

51. ***Chuckles***

Ok...you got me.

And yet the process continues...

Strange.

[Sinistrous]

74. Yep. This guy is bucking for the clinton cult snark king for the day award.

[madmunchie]

123. It really depends on what the meaning of is.....is. Doesn't it?

[Name removed]

34. Deleted sub-thread

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[TML]

66. Whatever

This is a state that sells t-shirts with the Trix rabbit dressed in drag that say "Silly Faggot, Dicks are for Chicks" in their clothing stores. No surprise here.

[PBS Poll-435]

68. Wow...

Um.. I don't know really how to respond to that.

So...

I don't think I will.

[TML]

73. Fort Wayne, 2001

I don't remember the name of the mall, but it was a three-story indoor one. Fort Wayne has an international airport, so we're not talking about a small town here. No one batted an eyelash when I gasped at the display shirt in the window, either.

I'm sure things haven't changed in seven years, either.

[VeraAgnes]

79. Sorry to be so ill-informed

but could you tell me when Indiana has their Primary?

THANKS

[PBS Poll-435]

82. May 6th. 3 days after Guam.

[rodeodance]

80. REC for Hillary's Hoosier state

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83. Thanks!

Hoosiers Heart Hillary!

[oasis]

87. Wow. k and r

[bowens43]

88. Doesn't matter, it's too late for Hillary.

It's all over but some more crying....

[susankh4]

89. Hillary will take...

IN, KY, PA.....

I am on the ground in all these states all the time. Have many friends in all three. Honestly... I hear more pro-Obama in PA than either of the other two.

The polls have been pretty consistant (what few we have) in KY and IN.

Prediction: After the next few Primaries... our "Dream Team" will be a reality. And McCain will not stand a chance against Clinton/Obama. (Or Obama/Clinton... however it shakes out.)

S

PS. I heard what Nancy Pelosi said and she is wrong. On sooooo many counts, including the war, she is dead wrong. Her ass will be grass if she keeps bashing our Democratic dream team.

[tekisui]

90. She has a lead, but I doubt she'll win by 16.

We are 3 weeks from IN. Through this entire Primary, Obama has closed in on the states Hillary has had an early lead.

Hillary has never built on a lead that she had 3-6 weeks out. Obama consistently has built on his leads and cut into hers.

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96. They have only been campaining there for a month.

Clinton's lead has actually increased. Since 3/31

[PVnRT]

102. I suspect that may have a lot to do with Bill

Despite the hate (and I mean HATE) of him in some quarters here, his visits to the state have been high-profile, and Hoosiers aren't used to being considered useful in a presidential election, outside of being a credit card for Republican candidates.

It simply means that Obama has a lot of groundwork to do to catch up, but it is possible.

[PBS Poll-435]

93. Kick for the Morning Crew

:kick:

[truebrit71]

94. Remind me again,...which state gave birth to the KKK?

....I'm just sayin'.....

[PBS Poll-435]

95. Whatever justification you need.

I thought after campaigning Obama's numbers go up?

:shrug:

[QC]

97. Tennessee. n/t

[PVnRT]

105. Not Indiana

Really, Obama supporters trotting this around does not help.

[saltpoint]

106. Obama, our next president, will carry Marion, Lake, and Monroe counties,

perhaps by enough of a % difference to ooff-set expected Clinton wins elsewhere. If he keeps it close in other counties and carries those three, IMO, he wins Indiana.

He will also win North Carolina that day as well, likely by a large margin.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

107. Wiped out on the same day by NC with twice the delegates.

It's over.

Still.

[PBS Poll-435]

121. Maybe, Maybe Not...

We will see.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

122. Certain about Indiana but you'll see about North Carolina?

Gotta hand it to you.

[PBS Poll-435]

125. Nice...

PA

Then Guam

Then IN/NC

If NC was first I would say it is lost. However, it is not.

[Dyllyn]

108. Next to Illinois

Most of Indiana work in Chicago !! I don't think you are going to see 6 points let alone 16

[olkaz]

113. I don't know about this....

That's true, but the entire rest of the state is solid red, and the Democrats in those areas will vote Hillary.

Southern Indiana is a **scary** place. I drove through back in 2003 and there was a guy with no shirt and no shoes (I thought most places had a sign for that) in the gas station behind me, and he was spitting chaw on the floor.

I don't see folks like that being real keen on Obama.

The good news is that Obama can lose both Indiana and Pennsylvania and still wrap this up handily.

[Dyllyn]

115. Yes I suppose you are right

However I still think 16 points is too high . I don't think she has done that anywhere else

[PVnRT]

114. Uh....no

Then again, your profile says you live in a Chicago suburb, so it's not surprising that you don't know that there's an entire fucking state here that has nothing to do with Chicago.

[Dyllyn]

118. Fellow Obama supporter

I was only joking ! No need to be unfriendly

[PVnRT]

119. This is a sensitive subject with me

When I worked in Vernon Hills, it took two months to convince my company that Indiana is more than Gary/Hammond, and that, in fact, my move was more than 150 miles and they should pay for it.

[Dyllyn]

120. I here ya man

Chicago sometimes forgets it's neighbours and the brutal commute they have to make. Nice to meet you.

[uponit7771]

112. Any other polls show this gap? Also when is the primary? Thx in advance

[PBS Poll-435]

116. Primary is 5/6

SurveyUSA 04/11 - 04/13 571 LV 55 39 Clinton +16.0
ARG* 04/02 - 04/03 600 LV 53 44 Clinton +9.0
Research 2000 03/31 - 04/02 400 LV 49 46 Clinton +3.0
SurveyUSA 03/29 - 03/31 530 LV 52 43 Clinton +9.0

Here is the recent polling. Survey USA has been remarkably accurate this Primary season, with a few exceptions.

[thewiseguy]

126. You now have 1000+ posts in 10 days?

Gosh you really are spending all your time on DU? :)

Did you happen to catch the new SUSA poll for Pennsylvania? Hillary lost 4 points there?

[PBS Poll-435]

127. Umm...I have been here since November 04.

I have posted quite a bit lately though.

Politics is sports for smart people. :P

[thewiseguy]

128. You and I had this conversation 7 days ago and back then you had 700 posts

Go out and do some real sports dude. :)

[PBS Poll-435]

129. Gotta work...

LOL