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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:02 AM
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Clinton pressing "Bitter" with superdelegates


McCain Echoes Clinton's Attacks
Obama Talks of November Damage



Tuesday, April 15, 2008; Page A01

Sen. John McCain joined in the criticism of Sen. Barack Obama yesterday for Obama's comments about "bitter" victims of small-town economic distress, while Obama's rival for the Democratic presidential nomination weighed in with a tough new ad on the controversy.

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Looking for any possible edge, the Clinton campaign has pressed uncommitted superdelegates to view Obama's remarks as a major debacle that could harm him in November. But as of yesterday evening, there was little evidence that the electability argument is resonating.

Rep. Mike Doyle (D), an undecided superdelegate who represents Pittsburgh and surrounding towns in the Monongahela Valley, said yesterday that he was not particularly troubled by Obama's comments.

"I don't disagree with a lot of what he said. My dad was a mill worker. My grandfather was a steel mill worker, and when the steel industry collapsed, nobody's family was hurt more than mine," Doyle said. "It's not inaccurate to say a lot of politicians have come through these towns, made a lot of promises and failed to deliver. I thought he was spot-on when he said how people feel."

He added that Obama's unexpected endorsement yesterday by Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney "carries a hell of a lot more weight" than the blowup over his comments about small-town residents.

Rep. David E. Price, an uncommitted Democrat from North Carolina, which holds its primary May 6, said his frustrations are with Clinton, for the potential damage she has inflicted.

"Senator Obama could have chosen better words, but it seems to me that he's stating the obvious," Price said. "People are feeling a great deal of economic stress, anxiety, and there is a certain amount of anger out there. . . . I think it's most unfortunate that opponents simply pounce, particularly opponents in his own party."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/14/AR2008041403057.html

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:03 AM
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1. Like the SDs haven't heard about those snobbish sneers already?
"Let the peasants eat arugula!"
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:12 AM
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8. but they still support him so what else you got?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:19 AM
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:12 AM
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30. No lies here, kiddo
Obama opened his mouth and stuck his foot firmly in, and has spent the last few days backtracking and apologizing profusely for it. Its only Obama's online loyalistas that are still carrying the torch on this one.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:03 AM
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2. of course, hillary dearest is doing that.
she stoops to conquer. it's the only thing such a creature knows how to do.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:06 AM
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3. How predictable.
She's given up on pushing positive reasons to vote for her. All she has left is pushing what she sees as Obama's negatives.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:08 AM
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4. What she creates as Obama's negatives
In this case.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:10 AM
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6. True. nt
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:09 AM
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5. And if he'd shut his mouth saying controversial things she'd have nothing to push. nt
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 07:10 AM by yadayadayada
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:12 AM
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10. you know, I'd love to see what hillary dearest says to her
donors in private meetings. And frankly, nothing he said is the big deal that hilly is making it out to be. And it won't work. She's been trying for months to tarnish him with SDs and he's gotten over 70 endorsements. Hillary? -2.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:14 AM
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14. yeah, I bet you'd love it if he'd "shut his mouth"--b/c she looks like a total
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 07:14 AM by ima_sinnic
pathetic, LYING FOOL by comparison. You've said it yourself: your jackass twit of a candidate has nothing at all "to push." She is now shameless, approaching superdelegates like the cheap piece of baggage that she is--and they're obviously NOT impressed.

I've decided I won't be looking at your asinine posts any longer--my click on Ignore is long overdue.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:18 AM
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17. Fine, go back into the Obama cult womb and be safe. nt
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:22 AM
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19. Thanks for responding to Ignored for me before clicking that red x.
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 07:22 AM by No Surrender
:-)

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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:52 AM
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26. LOL--looks like Ignored responded--but now just flapping his gums in the breeze
:D
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:11 AM
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7. I'd love to be a fly on the wall during one of these conversations.
I bet there are a few "wink winks" when they talk about why Barack might not, in their opinion, be electable.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:12 AM
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9. brings to mind an old question
whats the difference between a career politician and a catfish?


one is a bottom feeding scum sucker who will do anything to get what it wants





the other ones just a fish
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:12 AM
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11. This whole "bitter" flap smacks of desperation.
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 07:13 AM by Sentinel Chicken
It seems like 2 or 3 times a week the Clinton's try to find a new outrage where none exists. It's becoming almost laughable.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:23 AM
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20. Of course it's desperation.
Hillary is just shocked and amazed that anyone would dare challenge and challenge successfully her ascension to the throne.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:13 AM
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12. No surprises there. This whole campaign is aimed at the Superdelegates.
I doubt very much if this is going to help her with real voters but the superdelegates are another matter.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:13 AM
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13. Bigot gate might be more accurate
to some people
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:15 AM
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15. So, if Hillary gets the nomination this way, does she really think she'll win the general?
Hillary is living in La La Land if she thinks she's going to win the general election after all this crap.

And the superdelegates have to know it would be suicide to give the nomination to her.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:16 AM
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16. A new poll out in Michigan this morning shows that Obama beats Clinton if an election were held tod
and in the general, Obama beats McCain, but McCain trounces Hillary in my state!

So much for electability Hill.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:24 AM
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21. That's interesting
I guess Michigan didn't need a redo, after all

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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:30 AM
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22.  I think she should be called a liar on this and screw calling it spin
It's so obvious like he said. And anyone else who doesn't see it for what it is should be called a liar or are lying and they know it and they are too ignorant to be President.

And when Clinton is campaigning boo the hell right out of her. Boo her off the stage every time there is a chance. She wants to attack and MSM wants to attack on bold face lies then attack the hell out of her. This is bullshit!
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:36 AM
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23. I agree BOO HER
she is an abomination and LIAR
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:38 AM
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24. Latest poll out of PA shows a 6-point gap between Hill and Obama
the "bitter" debate ain't having an impact on the polls there, if anything it's helped Obama. She can press this all she likes but it ain't sticking. Foiled again!
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:45 AM
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25. I'm sure the SDs are disgusted with her at this point

And trying this crap will only add to their disgust.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:56 AM
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27. it is only human nature to resist this kind of arm-twisting and tampering
--nobody wants to look "beholden" or able to be manipulated. It is natural to be resistant to cajoling. So the more she does of it, the more it will work against her. She's a goddam fool. Is this the way she'd conduct, say, foreign policy matters? try to wheedle what she wants?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:57 AM
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28. I belive/hope the SDs are listening to her bitter comments
and will act to put an end to the damage she is causing to the Democratic party and the liberal causes.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:58 AM
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29. When a Super Delegate for Obama decides to switch for Clinton
Wake me.

ZZZzzzz...
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:17 AM
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31. I LOVE this line...
"He added that Obama's unexpected endorsement yesterday by Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney "carries a hell of a lot more weight" than the blowup over his comments about small-town residents."

An all out nationwide full court press of a campaign "strategy" and it is dwarfed byt the fact that the Steelers' owner likes Barack, LMAO! This thing is so over...
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