Belzer just spoke what MOST Dems think Hillary is disgusting

[gaiilonfong]

On morning Joe, Belzer just was eviscerating Bill and Hillary about their disgusting ways! and how they are destroying the party....

NOW if only our spineless leadership will comew out and call her out for her disgusting ReTHUGlican behavior!

[Saturday]

1. Most Dems don't think Hillary is disgusting. Only Obama

cultists do.

[gaiilonfong]

5. Get ready for your girl and her megalomaniac husband

to be thrown out of the party for what they ARE DOING.

Denegrating Al Gore a progressive hero...but that doesn't matter to the HillShills, they are just in awe of her majesty...

LMAO


After throwing Gore and Kerry under the bus she is TOAST...Ciao Clintons the ReTGHUGS were right about you

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. they have left the party on their own.

No need to toss them. Hill and Joe can start their own sandlot.

my only question:
Whole wheat, rye? whole grain, or white?

[Cha]

41. They're better be consequences for hilary's

pandering to the rove wing of the asshole party.

[Life Long Dem]

20. She disgust me!

[truebrit71]

21. I do. Have done for a while now....she is a fake and a fraud...

...and the only surprise is that it took her this long to get as downright nasty, and disgusting as she is now...

Hillary "I'm in touch and not an elitist" has no more clue about what it's like to be me, and the tens of millions of people like me, living paycheck to paycheck, praying not to get sick or lose our jobs, and waiting for someone in DC to actually do ANYTHING that benefits someone OTHER than their rich benefactors as I do of what it's like to fly the space shuttle...

She can go pound sand...

[Tactical Progressive]

60. Fake and fraud are practically dictionary definitions of Obama

He's been nasty and disgusting since his campaign began. He didn't have to take long to get there, he started there. Starting off with his campaign slogan smear of the presumptive nominee, then into lies and smears on Hillary, then to race-baiting Joe Biden, then racebaiting both Clintons.

Obama and Axelrod have been disgusting racebaiting smearers from the very start of this race, letting the media run with their dishonest smears so they can sit back and pretend to be on the high road.

I honestly don't think they're fooling that many real Democrats, mostly just the newbie cultist contingent and those very susceptible to the media hatred towards the Clintons. I think most Dems understand what a phony media concoction Obama is, even if they don't quite get what a low-life smear artist he is just yet. But that particular teflon may just be starting to wear off too.

[CoffeeCat]

24. I've been a loyal Democrat...

...my entire life. I voted for Bill Clinton twice and stood up for him during
the Monica fiasco--all the way through.

They changed. The Clintons were folded into the elitist, neocon fray.

Many in the party have reacted to that. It's actually been a very painful, disheartening
experience--to see these two Dem stalwarts become shameless sellouts.

Having principles, and standing up for them--and rejecting leaders who have gone to the dark side--is
courageous. Holding onto the dreams of yesterday, while ignoring reality IS a sign of cult-like behavior.
Rejecting establishment thinking--is the exact opposite of cultism.

Cultists follow along--and ignore the red flags--like a solid pro-war voting record.

Who's the cultist now?

[sniffa]

25. It's not me Hillary, it's you

Ah, the painful break-up. :/

[CoffeeCat]

36. Yes....

...and I feel so used and dirty.

[indie_voter]

47. I feel the same way

I voted for Bill Clinton twice, defended him to friends & family during the Monica debacle. Watching this spectacle has been very depressing.

Now I wonder if they've changed or I never saw what they really were?

[Tactical Progressive]

59. Hillary and Bill are more Democrat than you'll ever be

and than Obama has ever been or will ever be.

Obama's voting record to repeatedly extend the Iraq war while posing as anti-war to get elected in his district, says everything you need to know about who is the sellout. Obama is the only Democrat who played the war for personal political gain every step of the way.

To answer your question: you are the hate-Hillary cultist, and not by just a little bit either.

[Emillereid]

37. I have been in the democratic party for more years than I want to confess and

I've NEVER seen so many people so disgusted with one of our candidates. NEVER. People of course have always preferred one candidate over another, but I've never seen so many democrats declare that under no circumstance would they vote for her. If we could have the California primary again I think she would lose.

[Cha]

42. hilary is so puffed up proud that she can

disgust the Democrats and pander her ass off to the dinos and neocons that she Jumped at that photo op as Elmer Fudd.

[Kittycat]

38. I don't know how you even get by in IL with that attitude, LOL.

Your neighbors must be laughing their asses off :rofl:

We all knew from the start she's a polarizing figure. We just didn't know she was an undeclared republican. But now her rovian tactics have clearly proven that. And in AH's own words... McCain might as well go on vacation, because Hillary is running the repuke campaign for him.

[mamalone]

52. NY Dem here...

I am a 51yo white woman from NY... I couldn't be more of a "typical" Hillary supporter than that. Problem is I don't support her any more. I want her out of the primary and I don't want her representing me any more in the Senate either. My parents have been involved in the Dem party for their whole adult life and *adored* the Clintons... until now. They despise both Hillary and Bill now on the basis of the tactics they have used in this campaign. I do not know *one* single person in real life who supports Hillary at this point. If there is any justice in this world Hillary will not only lose the nomination, she will lose her Senate seat in the next election as well.

So yeah... I guess you could color me disgusted..

[Marrah_G]

2. Actually most Dems do no think that

Hillary has the majority of the support from Democrats. The numbers shift a little in favor of Obama when you add in Indies, repugs and other assorted folks.

[gaiilonfong]

4. Taylor Marsh send you all out this morning NO SALE

MOST Dems hate the Clintions now......

[Marrah_G]

6. What? What exactly are you accusing me of?

[rodeodance]

33. they are really sounding desperate today-actually last few days

[rodeodance]

32. AH -just another Obama fan having a Freak out moment

[bigtree]

34. idiot

[Kittycat]

39. dupe.

[slinkerwink]

8. Actually, no, most Democrats view her negatively

[Medusa]

11. That's why he has won far more primaries than she has

because people "love" her just so much. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Marrah_G]

14. Perhaps I wasn't clear.

I was speaking about people who are actual Democrats. Not Indies, not Greens, Not repugs, not One-day Dems.

Obama is ahead because he appealed to a major portion of those other groups.

I am not your fucking enemy.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. I'm a real democrat. I can't stand her.

[Marrah_G]

18. I never said "all"

[smiley_glad_hands]

27. Don't know where you are at.

Every dem I know, white, black, hispanic, polka dotted, all are pissed at Hill right now. Even her supporters I know personally aint happy with what she is doing.

[Cha]

43. hilary's proud of you for adding to the

propaganda but I think you should know the Democrats don't support lying dinos.

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."


<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


hilary is disgusting to anyone but the frothing at the mouth rove and apparently people like you who aren't able to grasp that lying isn't the way to run for dog catcher much less presdident of the US of America.

[DemGa]

51. That's true - Hillary has high approval with DEMS --- NT

[DemVet]

3. Yup. Obama will be the outcast 10 years from now.

[Zodiak]

7. Go back to your "Obama is a racist" thread

That way we know you are happy in your element.

[gaiilonfong]

9. You are right the Taylor Marsh brigade is out

in full force...they know their girl is a loser....

Throwing al Gore...AL GORE a hero under the bus...she is disgusting

[SoCalDem]

48. Their "girl" is a sell-out

and she needs to go to her room and take a nap... a long nap...until the primaries are over.. someone can wake her & remind her she lost.,.and then she can slink back to DC until NY UNelects her next time..

[Two Americas]

65. she didn't

This tactic used so often by too many Obama supporters - grabbing onto a phrase or a word and then repeating it and repeating it as though it were fact - is manipulative and dishonest.

Senator Clinton said that Gore appeared to be elitist to many in the public, and that this hurts the party. I agree with that completely - and I am no Clinton fan or supporter - and in no way does that constitute "throwing Gore under the bus." But it gets repeated and repeated as a little catch phrase until people accept it as fact.

We also have "kitchen sink" and "desperation" and now "bitter" among many others - these moronic and catchy little phrases, intended to be nothing but malicious and destructive, can only be effective when used by gangs of people reinforcing each other, piling on, and bullying their opponents. The sneering, jeering, with people reinforcing and encouraging each other, is truly ugly to watch.

The absolute moral depravity of this behavior is further demonstrated by the justification I see people using more and more frequently for their behavior - "she asked for it" or "she had it coming."

This pack behavior and the ugly and hateful sneering has all of the features of a fascist mob whipped into an emotional frenzy, targeting scapegoats and shouting down any opposition. That, combined with a charismatic and idealized and idolized leader figure, is something that I find remarkable and noteworthy.

The fact that mentioning any of this and expressing one's opinion about it incites the mob to engage in exactly the behavior being described by the speaker against the speaker - supposedly because the speaker is "wrong" - supreme irony there - and then uses the "she had it coming" line of justification for an all out attack, supports rather than refutes the thesis.

[DemVet]

19. Truth hurt? Need a tissue?

[Zodiak]

23. Vapid rebuttal

Try again.

You started that disgusting OP, so go lie in it.

[rodeodance]

31. FREAK OUT

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. not unless Michelle, like Hillary, decides to run just because she

was married to a former president. Won't happen. Obama be as revered in the party as Bill & Hillary once were. Thank God, we still have Al Gore, John Kerry, Jimmy Carter, Teddy Kennedy, Howard Dean and other party elders who can help to make our party (d)emocratic again, and lead the party forward.

My fervent wish is that the Clintons leave the party voluntarily, so that Hillary can then embrace her inner Republican.

[Cha]

44. Which has turned into her

outer fascism.

[Tarheel_Dem]

53. LMAO....you said it!

:rofl:

[BeyondGeography]

10. Poor Morning Joe...his sensitive ears must have been hurting

[Texas Hill Country]

12. are you seriously giving props to Belzer, that tinfoil hat fox mulder wanna be? really?

[gaiilonfong]

13. pomm neii wheei n/t

[truebrit71]

22. Yeah because the government never lies...right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight...anytime you're interested I've got a bridge to sell you....

[That Guy 888]

30. I take Richard Belzer seriously.

The first time I saw Richard Belzer not on a comedy stage was just after the first gulf war. Belzer, Will Durst, Harry Shearer and Jim Morris were on CBS news overnight with Charlie Rose. At that time CBS's overnight news show was about two or three hours of solid news and interviews, and the "Comedians Roundtable" was a half-hour panel discussion similar to the Sunday morning panels except funnier and much more liberal.

The most important "tin-foil hat" theory they advanced? That "little Niara" who testified before Congress about babies being left on "cold tile floors" by evil Iraqis stealing incubators, was one of the Emir of Kuwait's nieces. While mainstream news is much lazier today, the destruction of news coverage was getting started then. I didn't hear about "little Niara" as well as Hill and Knowelton (who was hired by the Emir to whip up hysteria in America to get his country back) until about a year later when the story "broke" on that hard hitting news show 60 Minutes.

I think I still have a copy of that appearance, unfortunately it's on videotape.

[LSK]

35. this is the classic "attack the messenger" response

Which is meant to shift the topic to the one delivering the statement instead of the statement itself.

Thanks for a great illustration.

[Texas Hill Country]

49. I am just saying, I have seen him talk about a few things. I would be hesitant to take him seriously

but that is just me.

I respect your right to do so.

[NJmaverick]

17. I have to think that Dean is working on the problem

The problem is Hillary has a lot of people fooled or self interested parties supporting her. So they need to be careful in how they go about putting an end to her destructive temper tantrum.

[AllentownJake]

26. LOL

Remember all the Hilbots cheering Randi's firing. Looks like her replacement on AA is just as awesome as she is.

[americanstranger]

29. I was just thinking that.

What the hell is Mark Green going to do? He thought he was getting rid of the anti-Hillary sentiment by letting Randi walk away from AAR.

It seems to be more pervasive than one host. Randi's replacement feels the same way.

Way to go, Green. You tried to choke off the disgust with Hillary, but you only lost your most capable broadcaster.

I laugh at Mark Green.

- as

[Cha]

45. Is that the mark green who was

running for mayor of New YOrk? If it is..to think I wanted him for Mayor.

[americanstranger]

46. Yep. Same one.

He and his brother Steve took over the reins of AAR.

I liked him when he was NYC Public Advocate, but he doesn't have the first clue as to how to run a radio network.

- as

[Cha]

50. Well, if he's an advocate

for hilary then he doesn't have a clue about Democracy. And I'm glad Bloomberg won!

[Cha]

40. I LOVE RICHARD BELZER.

He's always right on the money. He's the one who said "people have seen more UFOs than WMDs!

[jazzjunkysue]

54. Dems hate her. GOP hates her. But she's still gonna win.

Riiiiiight.

[Algorem]

55. the tv dick?

that lives in france?

[bridgit]

56. yep, the tv dick that lives in france...

[Algorem]

61. sortuva professional jerk who,surprise!,really is a jerk.

[bridgit]

63. he's done some funny stuff but yeah, i hear'ya...

:hi:

[AX10]

57. Only left wing tinfoil kooks such as Dick Belzer think that.

:eyes:

[walldude]

62. Tinfoil kooks.. coming from the person who thinks

that "they may try something to deny PA their chance to vote next week." :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[kevinmc]

58. Never heard Belzer ..... he's right on that though. n/t

[krkaufman]

64. Gotta love that the Hillarites chased Randi off of AAR ...

... only to have her replaced this first week by another host who sees her for the vile and unscrupulous political whore that she is. Sick 'em, Belz.

[Hepburn]

66. ...