Obama puts foot in his mouth and HRC gets blamed for it.

[jasmine621]

Is there anything that anyone will hold Obama's feet to the fire over? He can say or do anything, attack HRC and the press calls it fighting back but when HRC fights back they call it an attack on Obama. He has had to face no real adversity during this primary season because no one will hold him accountable but many feel it's ok to blame HRC and Bill for everything from NAFTA to the Iraq war. Bill signed the NAFTA legislation that was passed in the Congress with great support from all former Presidents BEFORE he took office. I can see the headlines back then had he not signed a bill that had such popular support even by many ordinary workers. Why the hell do you think Perot could never get the ground swell of people that being anti-trade should have brought? This stuff with Obama is really over the top. We are willing to hand over the reigns of this nation and leadership of the free world to a novice who has fairly good oratory? When this was done before in history...remember...?

[NJmaverick]

1. Hillary ATTACKS Obama and the Democrats and Liberals and gets blamed for it

Can you believe that?:shrug:

[lisa58]

2. Hillary is only being blamed for...

...shoving it in further while he is trying to extract it.

[ihavenobias]

48. She's "shoving it in further" into the ass of the Democratic Party, and *that* is a serious problem

She keeps buying into Republican framing over and over and over again, despite the fact that even if this shortsighted strategy somehow allows her to make it to the general, it will destroy her in the fall: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5515361

Of course, her chances are slim, so the reality is she's just helping to tarnish the likely Democratic nominee (Obama), making it more likely that we have 1-2 conservative supreme court justices in the near future.

Goodbye Roe V Wade and many, many other things we cherish.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. do we need another bush?

[QC]

4. Don't worry--as soon as he has the nomination sewn up, the press will turn on him.

We already know how this game is played.

[EFerrari]

5. If Clinton hasn't learned how to conduct herself in public and in the press

in the last thirty years, she's never going to learn.

[rodeodance]

44. If Obama had not mocked PA voters from Billionaire Lane in SF--thinks might be cool for him

[SeaLyons]

6. The degree to which Obama is let off the hook is

shocking. Hopefully, the people in PA and in all the upcoming primaries are smarter than the MSM and all the pundits who are pushing an Obama nominee down our throats.

[Armstead]

I'm guessing you don;t own a television

[SeaLyons]

27. Yes, I do.....

and standby what I said. The msm coverage has been completely pro-Obama. Do you own a TV?

[Armstead]

35. If the media were in the tank for Obama this would have been ignored

As would Rev. Wright.

And why is it that Obama is contantly "facing tests" with the implication that he is behind and that any little gaffe will sink him?

[Phillycat]

28. Not to worry - tons of Hillary support here in PA.

We will not let you down. :)

[whatchamacallit]

30. It has nothing to do with the media

most of us just don't buy that this is a major issue. Hillary, and her supporters, should be a little more discerning about what they get all worked-up over. Y'all seem unhinged.

[JoFerret]

47. Why is he blathering on about trade deals?

Tech change is what is changing the work place.

[jazzjunkysue]

49. Spare us all the HRC victim stories. We're not buyin'.

She's a political animal, and no one's victim.

[islandmkl]

7. hillary is just bitter about losing this nomination...

just bitter.

[Nickster]

8. NAFTA had popular support? I remember demonstrating against it, and I'm about as ordinary a worker

as they come.

[Irishonly]

36. I Don't Remember Support For NAFTA either

I remember all of the candidates being for it except Perot. No one I knew liked it and it was another settle for election. My husband voted for Perot because of NAFTA. What the "normal" workers were afraid was going to happen, did.

[DemGa]

9. They will find a way to blame Clinton for any and all things

It's amazing the twists and turns they take to get there -- but they never fail in this regard.

[pocoloco]

22. No need to blame her for all.....

her IWR vote was more than enough!!!

[Buzz Clik]

10. No, that's not what happened. Hillary attempted to invent a story and got smoked.

[cali]

11. hillary and her whinettes

and hilly has little more actual experience than Obama. She's a fake, puffery is her little game.

[mmonk]

12. Reality. I just read an op-ed by Bill Kristol in my paper

and it doesn't sound any different from the Clinton campaign. When that happens, something is wrong with my party and my fellow dems. I will fight this darkness until there is no chance for me to continue to do so.

[GoldieAZ49]

14. Hillary did not compare his comments to Marxism

Kristol did

The bad news, they match up pretty well

[mmonk]

16. True.

She didn't go that far but has stuck with the overall theme he is less American.

[bowens43]

13. blah blaha blah blah

LOL! Desperate much?

[yourguide]

15. Hillary is being blamed for fanning the fire

and attacking another dem...those "I'm not bitter" stickers at the HRC events, who paid for those? How about the new "bitter" ad?

did Obama and his people push and push this Mark Penn/Columbia thing? No. Did they push how much money Bill has gotten from both China and Columbia? No, he let the media do it's thing without fanning the flame in an attempt to keep it in the news cycle.

she is evil.

[Fredda Weinberg]

17. JFK's learning curve got us into the Bay of Pigs

I wish others would remember the reality behind Camelot.

[AllentownJake]

20. So now

We hate JFK?

What would you want President Nixon in 1961 who planned the operation to begin with.

Read a freaking history book

BTW Kennedy had been in Congress since the 40's and served in WWII. Thought I needed to add that. 12 years of experience in Congress. More than both Hillary and Obama.

[Fredda Weinberg]

40. I survived the 60's ... lots of lies and some are still drinking Kool Aid n/t

[Skidmore]

25. Well, this "other" is more concerned with where Hillary's learning curve

could take us, given her judgement on things martial in years past. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

[Seabiscuit]

26. Oh, my fucking god. Talk about spreading ignorance and falsehoods.

JFK didn't "get us into the Bay of Pigs" and neither did what you call his "learning curve".

Nixon set up the Bay of Pigs operation while he was Vice President under Eisenhower. He used the CIA to set it up and keep it going. The CIA lied to JFK about it all when JFK took office. JFK disapproved of the operation and refused to authorize the official air support for the operation that the CIA was demanding. Then the CIA lied to the anti-Castro fanatics involved in the operation, encouraging them to go in by falsely claiming JFK had promised such air support. They went in, got creamed, and the CIA again lied to them, falsely claiming that JFK had broken his promise of official air support.

Yet, despite all this, JFK had the cajones to stand up and take "responsibility" for the fiasco, when the fault was not his at all, following Truman's "the buck stops here" approach to his presidency.

Clearly, you weren't alive in 1961, or if so, were too young to know what was going on, or too out-of-touch to get it right.

As for your misuse of the phrase "learning curve" to falsely equate Obama with JFK, let me remind you that while Obama's experience consists of a year in the Senate, JFK served from 1947 to 1953 in the House of Representatives, then served in the Senate from 1953 through 1960 prior to entering the oval office in January, 1961.

JFK was 6 years younger than Obama is today when he became president, but had 14 years experience in Congress to Obama's 1, and was infinitely wiser and infinitely more eloquent. There is simply NO comparison between the two beyond that.

Get your facts straight before lecturing people about the "reality behind Camelot".

[Fredda Weinberg]

39. I know what Kennedy did ... but you think the CIA lied n/t

[Seabiscuit]

43. I KNOW the CIA lied. You obviously DON'T know what JFK did.

How old are you anyway?

[Fredda Weinberg]

54. 48 and I remember the times. Many were disillusioned, but it took me

a while to reconcile my principles w/the past. To get there, I have dual BAs in political science and economics, but also spent years in psych, sociology and history courses. I also happen to have read a lot.

Camelot was a promise that couldn't be kept. The violence of those years wasn't orchestrated by deliberate plots ... from the tapes ... and I've heard them, the Kennedy brothers were swept up in the hawkish tide of the time.

[Hamlette]

18. you have lost touch with reality

1. there is a reason for the "rule": Do not speak ill of those in your own party.

2. We are sick of the politics of personal destruction. (The right said the Clintons practiced it. I hadn't seen it until the last 3 months.)

3. The combination of 1 and 2 is unforgivable.

I defended the Clintons for 15 years. I just don't have it in me anymore.

[AllentownJake]

19. Hillary is stupid

If she had learned anything from Bill its when you are ahead someplace you take the high road and you let your surrogates do the attacking. All the time spent will Bill has taught her nothing.

[ampad]

23. You might want to add arrogant to stupid

As we all see this isn't doing much to Obama in the polls it just makes Hillary look stupid and silly. Folk are not falling for the okie doke. She mistakes the average person for her rabid supporters.

[ampad]

21. Waaaaa

When this turns around on Hillary and folks start calling her a hypocrite for her gun love then all y'all will be screaming Obama did this to the poor girl. Now that you see that this so call foot in mouth is not going to help the evil queen you want to whine.

[rch35]

24. When WAS this done before in history?

If you are trying to compare Obama to Bush, then you're just fuckin stupid.

[nichomachus]

29. Better headline: Hillary kicks Obama in the teeth and then claims he put his foot in his mouth.

[Armstead]

32. Bingo

[Seabiscuit]

33. Ah. So it was all those broken teeth that caused Obama to inadvertantly spew all that crap about

small town folk?

[Arugula Latte]

34. Funny thing -- His remarks are actually resonating with people

They AGREE with him.

Hillary's faux outrage blew up in her face.

[nichomachus]

37. Well, this "small-town folk" doesn't think it was "crap"

In fact, all the small-town folk I know think it was right-on. The only ones who are upset are right-wing pundits, lazy reporters, and armchair liberals whose only connection to a small town is driving through on their way to pick apples or go antiquing -- when they can look at the quaint people and make fun of their "trailers."

[Evergreen Emerald]

31. I agree with you completely. The press has vilified Clinton. She is getting unfair

treatment. It is unfortunate, because there is not a level playing field.

I also agree that we are choosing a mediocre candidate with no experience, the most powerful man in the world--just like we did with Bush.

What a shame.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

38. I tell ya, she can't get no respect.

:* :radio: :redbox: :daily:

[JoFerret]

41. He meant what he said. Only politically was it a misstep.

And to me it is in keeping with his other words and behavior.
Folks - this is a divisive figure and he has many snowed. The mask slips off all the time. Supercilious and patronizing attitudes are hard to hide well.
He has shown himself capable of deeply sexist campaign tactics and used the race to perfection.
And as for trashing the Clinton economic record and linking it to Bush - he should apologize for that not for saying what he thinks about the white rural working class.

[smiley_glad_hands]

42. Hilliary uses republican frames to attack her oppenent to attack Obama.

Damaging the party on progressives in the process. Sorry, but thats the issue here. Obama was correct in his statements.

[rodeodance]

45. Obama only uses republican frames to attack her oppenent to attack HRC>

[BlooInBloo]

51. Dude - that doesn't even make SENSE.

[FlaGranny]

46. No, no.

Obama put his foot in his mouth and Hillary is trying to crucify him for it. Her blame lies in her reaction. A decent candidate of the same party would have made little mention of it OR would have stated that she knew Obama misspoke a bit and didn't mean it the way some people took it. Hmmm? That's what a decent candidate of the same party would have said.

[BlooInBloo]

50. lolololol! The Hilarity Clinton Show continues!

:rofl:

[walldude]

52. So you think that Obama just put his foot in his mouth?

Thanks, and I thought all you Hillary people thought this was an actual scandal. Maybe if Hillary spent less time worrying about making me not want to vote for Obama, and spent more time making me want to vote for her she'd be doing better.

[BenDavid]

53. When HRC reaches out, she's "betraying the party" but when

Obigot reaches out (assuming he will) he's "rising about politics".

Never in my life time have I seen so many so called journalists do their best to explain what obigot meant in his "bittergate" comment. Well, that is why they are called the whoremedia.

[anonymous171]

55. Maybe if Hillary had left it alone you would be right. But she didn't.

[Unbowed]

56. If she hadn't tried to capitalize on his statement, then she wouldn't haven't looked so bad.

Coming off here own blunder (or lie if you are more cynical) Clinton looked like an opportunist jumping on Obama for what he said.

If she were smart, she would have said that his remarks were "unfortunate" and said that she knew what he was trying to say and that she agreed. This would have given her a launch pad for how she was going to help working-class America and nobody would be criticizing her.

It would also have earned her a few points for being honorable. And could gone a long way to diminish her Bosnia story by saying that the press is jumping on both of them for mis-statements and they should be applying the same critics to McCain.

Clinton could have come out looking great IF she had handled it smartly. She did not. Clinton chose to jump on Obama over this and she alone is responsible for the backlash. She had an opportunity to look Presidential and she totally blew it. Net result: she made herself look bad. And you can't blame Obama for that. Sometimes it does pay to take the high road.