Oprah's popularity declining because she backed Obama???

[TexanDem]

There's been a story on MSNBC (maybe other channels) about Oprah's popularity declining ever since she endorsed Barack Obama. There are several articles now on the Internet about her demise in the polls, all saying it's because she endorsed Obama. They then mention the "church" she has started and the video that has been seen now by over 4 million people.
(here's the link)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JW4LLwkgmqA

This "church" is very much against the traditional Biblical teachings and undermines Jesus Christ. So, my question is: Why are they blaming her decline in popularity on her endorsement of Barack Obama instead of her promotion of a very unorthodox form of religion?

I also want to know what her endorsement of Obama has to do with the dangers of her church? Toward the end (counter 5:47 min), it says, "But that's not all. She's entered the political arena by endorsing a presidential candidate," and shows a picture of Obama. What's the point of inserting that other than to infer by association some kind of direct correlation? He has nothing whatsoever to do with her "church."

This is an outrageous spin against Obama!

links to a few of these articles:
IS OPRAH PAYING PRICE FOR BACKING OBAMA?
http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur42535.cfm

Has Obama endorsement hurt Oprah's popularity?
http://www.newschannel34.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=5d41a4ac-6a54-45d7-8c52-5a048de10d35

Oprah's popularity plunges since Obama endorsement
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/11012

[AllentownJake]

1. This is stupid

I don't care what Oprah is doing.

[Texasgal]

3. Agreed...

Who cares? :shrug:

[GarbagemanLB]

2. Does this mean bittergate is over? We're back to going after Oprah and Rezko now?

[Frustratedlady]

8. That video was going around last week.

I assumed they were taking a few words and blowing it into a major crisis. They'll tie all of Oprah's words/actions to Obama to see if they'll work. They can't find enough on him to do the job, apparently.

[Mags]

4. she stuck alot of Women viewers in the back by endorsing Obama

after all she has made almost all of her millions from Women viewers.

[GarbagemanLB]

5. So if Condi or Laura Bush ran, she should have endorsed them?

[Mags]

9. yes

[ingac70]

15. What total bullshit. n/t

[GarbagemanLB]

26. Wow, that is the dumbest thing I've heard. So all that matters is what is between their legs!

[Cali_Democrat]

60. WTF

:wtf:

[JoFerret]

100. I have heard it said that 90% of african american voters

are for Obama.
Why is that in your opinion?

[okieinpain]

113. the problem with that statement is it implies that blacks are only

voting for barack because he's black. if that's true then how do you explain allen keys, or numerous other blacks that have run for office.

[Catherina]

6. So she betrayed her vagina or something?

:rofl:

[Mags]

12. looks like it.

[Catherina]

93. Oy, the strong stench of sexism. n/t

[cliffordu]

24. OMFG!!! I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!!!

THE TRAITOR!!!!



:rofl:

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[Mags]

16. not all voters vote their skin color .

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[cliffordu]

25. Thanks for saying what I'd get tombstoned for!!!

:hi:

[knixphan]

52. you go girl.

I'm an AA male (and surely irrelevant in the eyes of the Hill bloc),

But thank you for debunking the faux-gender-loyalty crap.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

91. Yeah you go girl - call women demeaning names - a self-loathing woman.

Apparently very in vogue nowadays amongst the "me" and "x" generation. How far the woman's movement has fallen since I was in my 20's....

[ingac70]

99. Having disdain for Hillary doesn't make me self loathing...

she is a warmonger with blood on her hands.

[Submariner]

13. Otherwise, she would have stuck a lot of Black viewers in the back by endorsing Hillary

Being a black woman during this election cycle must be particularly difficult for some.

[islandmkl]

21. WTF?...did she stab the back of the mothers with children in Iraq?

...women without healthcare?

...women without jobs?

...women who want things to CHANGE in this country?

oh, you mean women who only care that a woman finally gets elected, regardless of whether that would be the best choice for the nation...

you mean sexist-choice women...

[LSK]

70. no sexism there

Nope, none at all...

:eyes:

[shaniqua6392]

7. I have not watched her since she endorsed a candidate.

I thought it was a really bad move. I also know a lot of people who feel the same way and will not watch her.

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. you always "know a lot of people who feel the same way".

These little anecdotes of yours are just so precious. :rofl:

[shaniqua6392]

50. I have a huge family and circle of friends.

I also belong to two groups with many members. It is just a general consensus that I use as a measure. Please don't take it as a knock to Senator Obama. It was not intended that way. The reasoning behind our not supporting Oprah any longer does not have much to do with Obama personally. There are other reasons for it. Oh and by the way.....Screw you for your little comment on the fact that I "always know a lot of people who feel the same way". Completely unfair but not surprising. You just automatically assume someone is criticizing your savior when, in all actuality, it was not personally about your candidate. But thanks for confirming what we already know about Obama supporters. Over and out.

[Tarheel_Dem]

83. well I'll raise you one huge family and circle of friends...

we can all pull anecdotes out of our rear end, which is where i suspect most of yours come from, but i'm sure Oprah will get over it. People initially had the same reaction when they thought she'd endorsed Bush over Gore, and she's still here, and getting richer as we speak. And in the spirit of unity, I won't tell you what we've learned about Hillary supporters.

In the words of another fine DU'er: "wouldn't your time be better spent out banging a wooden spoon on a pot somewhere?"...Seriously.

[shaniqua6392]

94. No need to get all defensive.

I don't care for either candidate. So take your Obama defensive posture elsewhere. I refuse to argue over them. They are not worth my energy. I will vote for the Democrat who gets the nomination. I just hope all Obama supporters are not like you. No further responses from you are necessary and will not be read. Case closed.

[JoFerret]

110. How many spoons?

.

[JoFerret]

105. If the downturn is true

than something accounts for it. What do you think it might be?

Speaking as someone who has NEVER seen Oprah - it's not because of me!

Though - look out for the June issue of Oprah magazine (seriously)

[tritsofme]

10. This is the risk you take by involving yourself in partisan politics.

You gotta live with the consequences.

[Orangepeel]

14. Maybe she's paying the price for Dr. Phil's recent assholic behavior

:shrug:

[ingac70]

23. Dr. Phil is a weirdo. n/t

[Orangepeel]

35. Now THAT'S something I'll bet even Obama and Clinton supporters can agree on!

:D

[Jamastiene]

104. Yes, she is responsible for that winy mouthed jerk.

I always hate it when she highlights a new "guru," because I know we'll be inundated with way too much of the next Dr. Phil type. If anything, Oprah has contributed to the demise in quality on daytime television.

[redqueen]

17. Oh noes! The Oprah Indicator!

:rofl:

[cliffordu]

18. Nice try, but no.

Oprah is in the tank because one of the men helping run her African school molested a couple of the girls living there.

Oprah put everything she has emotionally on the line for that school. Having been molested as a child, it was obviously devastating for her. She blimped back up, lost her intensity, and I believe, her will to excel.


It has nothing to do with Obama, although I'm sure he'll get blamed for a bunch of other shit just like this by bridge dwellers like you.

And those articles? Anyone can steal shit they find on google. Just like you.

[TexanDem]

46. That's my point - it has nothing to do with Obama! So, why is he blamed?

I think you misunderstood my post.

[cliffordu]

59. I could have, I need more coffee -

Blaming Obama is as right as rain for a lot of people:

Lets play writer!!!


Obama is a big story!

Obama was on Oprah!

Oprah's ratings go down!

It must be Obama's fault!

So there you have:

Two extremely powerful African Americans

Both affected by the same story. Schweeet!!

Get a couple drones in other markets to repeat this bullshit and now you have a 'meme';

Just like bittergate, wrightgate, headdress gate.....

[TexanDem]

64. lol -- exactly. It gets soooo old - and transparent! Thanx

[Cha]

19. NBFD.. Obviously, there will

be a "decline" because of those "women" voters who don't like her supporting Obama. It's the simple kind of math that hilary doesn't understand.

[SeaLyons]

22. Yes, her viewers are women...

and her endorsement of Obama has definitely hurt her ratings. Where the hell was Oprah in 2000 and 2004. Why didn't she step out and use her influence to help the Dem's win in those races. Perhaps it's because this 2008 race has a candidate that she decided to endorse for reasons outside the issues. She also didn't even sound like herself when speaking at rallies for Obama. I think her viewers are a bit confused when it comes to Oprah. Who is the real Oprah??

Just a thought.

[ingac70]

27. Perhaps she has said something now because...

it is so important. The US can't afford anymore warmongers in the White House.

[SeaLyons]

40. Hillary is the candidate

to prevent a warmonger winning the GE.

Hillary for President!!

[ingac70]

49. She enabled it with her IWR vote...

she has blood on her hands.

[SeaLyons]

55. I don't buy that talking point....

I think it's bullshit as a matter of fact.

[ingac70]

61. It is bullshit she voted for the IWR?

Boy, the fabrications never cease!

[SeaLyons]

67. ...

constantly throwing out her vote on the war is bullshit. Hillary wants to bring the troops home. She wants to end the war. Her foreign policy skills will be much more acute in bringing that goal to fruition than Obama's. That's what is important now.

[ingac70]

68. Her opinions follow the wind....

She's a lying opportunist that vote for the IWR thinking it would help her politically when she got around to running for Pres.

I don't trust her as far as I can throw her.

[SeaLyons]

69. ...

you're entitled to your opinion, but don't forget - they're all politicians (including Obama).

[JoFerret]

108. It has become a cheap knee jerk response

from the non-thinking crowd.

There are a few others - all of them tiresome and cheap.
Of course there are plenty of reasons why an intelligent dem might prefer candidate Obama.

But is it really that difficult to imagine that democrats of good will can arrive at a different conclusion about who should be president? These knee jerkers do themselves no credit with their easy throwaway dismissive shorthand.

And while I too was deeply disappointed in the Iraq vote - I know that a President Hillary Clinton could get us out of the war if anyone can and brings the troops home.

[Mags]

28. exactly.

[gabeana]

63. did you see the video with her and code pink

I'm sure someone can link it and you can see for yourself how she dismissed them.

Or is Code pink to radical for you,
eventhough this was before the first bombs were dropped

code pink traitors to their gender, I guess:shrug:

[ellacott]

36. What's funny is that OPrah has explained all this

But you all choose to ignore it. She has no obligation to support a woman just because her audience is mostly women. That makes no sense. Many woman also support Obama.

[cliffordu]

66. HEY ---- I watched Oprah for years.

I like a lot of the things she has done.

This year, though she started to act like Oprah, rather than just being Oprah.

It's over that school.

[earth mom]

111. Yes where was Oprah in 2000 and especially in 2004 when we knew how bad it was?

That's another reason I'm pissed off at Oprah.

She goes all out for Obama, but nothing for Kerry. :wtf:

[islandmkl]

29. y'all let me know when Oprah goes off the air, will you?...

meanwhile, bitterhill is still tearing down the party...

how are HER ratings these days, by the way?

[ampad]

42. LOL

They couldn't even keep Randi Rhodes off the air for longer than a week and a half. I'm pretty sure Oprah will be fine. As you said, I would like to know what the queen's negatives are at nowadays. All this talk about Oprah who isn't even running for office.

[SoCalDem]

30. Oprah was always an "acceptable" black woman, beloved by most women of any ethnicity

she was "every-woman"...BUT eventually she got tired of doing make-over/give-away shows, and she decided to use her "empire" and permanent solvency as a springboard to more lofty ideas..

I think many of her fans were okay with that as long as she threw in some "girlfriend-y" stuff..but when she decided to get political it was inevitable that she would be seen as what she really has always been..

and intelligent, thoughtful black woman who believes that people CAN be more than just a lump on the couch for an hour a day..

When she went "political", she alienated many fans.. but were they really fans?..or just tv-watchers?

Apparently many were just tv-watchers, and since she is no longer the neutral-Oprah, they decided they don't like her..

She would have lost some, no matter what she did.. choose the woman, and many black fan would see her as a sell out to her race.. choose the black man, and her women fans of all colors could see her as a sell out to her sex..

Had the race been between Edwards & Hillary, she probably would have stayed apolitical..but "hinted" that she liked Hillary..

The combination of candidates made her either choose..or shut up.. she chose..

I'm sure she's not losing sleep over it..

[Texas Hill Country]

37. when you are the mainstream rep. for women, you dont endorse the guy in an election...

and not expect rejection.

[SoCalDem]

44. I don;t think she ever planned to be a "rep".. I think she planned on having a show,

becoming wealthy, and doing some good with her money.. she's done it all :)

And she probably has reached an age where she's interested in the wellbeing of her country and was willing to lose some of her viewers..for the better good..

She'll probably be hanging up her show soon anyway.. Every few years she hints that she's not going to do it much longer..

I haven't watched her show in years, but that's the impression I always got when i did watch it..

[Texas Hill Country]

77. she has always been about womens empowerment and all that, but I am not saying you are wrong... I

am just saying that it is a fact that she is, and it should be no surprise to anyone that she lost 1/3 of her viewers.

[SoCalDem]

79. That's true, but men have daughters & wives and can ALSO

advocate for women.. Having ovaries does not qualify you for the presidency:)

I have known a LOT of wicked women and a lot of nice men..and the converse..

She made a choice..and she's fine with it:)

[Texas Hill Country]

116. i am not disagreeing with you at all.

:smile:

[CakeGrrl]

57. As far as I know, she's under no obligation to represent women

by supporting a candidate who happens to be a woman as well. Maybe she decided to support the candidate she chose on MERIT. Now there's a concept.

:eyes:

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. especially since she's got more money than God...

Add to the fact that Oprah's been on teevee for a thousand years now, it was inevitable at some point that her star would dim. It happened to Phil Donahue, it happened to Sally Jesse, and as wealthy as Oprah is, she's still mortal like they were.

What I find most striking is the fact that a particular Hillarite thinks that Oprah should have endorsed Hillary because of gender, at the same time decrying Oprah for perceived race bias. It truly is upside down world.

Go Oprah!

[SoCalDem]

48. Oprah is onto bigger & better things than her "show"..

she's not worried about losing the Freepers or the militant-ovaries for president bunch..

[cliffordu]

62. ROFLMAO

"militant-ovaries for president bunch.."


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAH !!!!

:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

72. uh oh,.look what you made me do now

[cliffordu]

75. You just made my wife spit cornflakes across the table...

THANKS!!!!


:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

76. at $5 a gallon for milk , I hope she licked the tabletop

:rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

88. LMAO.....

:rofl:

[Straight Shooter]

78. She alienated me when she got all gigglified over george w. bush when he was on her show

Cool as the proverbial cucumber to Al Gore. Fawning over Arnie because he's her good friend Maria's wife, too.

Oprah has had a political agenda for a long time. She stepped right up for Obama, gushing, "He's brilliant, he's brilliant." She fancies herself a kingmaker, but she proclaims, "Don't play me small!" With such a big ego, who would ever play her small.

All that money, all that fame, it was bound to change her.

[SoCalDem]

81. Y'know.. that was about the time I stopped watching too..

I guess it was a "subliminible" thing for me too :)

and when she gushed over Ahhhhnold & Maria

[ampad]

31. I bet Oprah is fretting over this big time

I cracked up when I saw her speech in Cali and she said don't play me small. Oprah isn't going to cow tow to a certain demographic in her audience. Oprah is a self made woman and an independent woman who voted the way she wanted to and supported who she wanted to and she has that right. I don't think Oprah really gives a damn.

[ej510]

38. Oprah does not give a fuck she is a very wealthy woman!

She will continue to help kids in Africa.

[Texas Hill Country]

33. yes, she had a HUGE drop

[AtomicKitten]

34. She'll have to take solace from her giant pile of cash.

:sarcasm:

[ellacott]

45. That's right, she has a billion dollars to help giver her solace

If she quit her show today it wont impact her.

[bunnies]

39. Im sure it has nothing to do with the fact that she changed the format of her show.

Nope. Nothing to do with that. Its all Obamas fault. :eyes:

[smiley_glad_hands]

41. Yeah she lost the freeper vote.

I'm sure her show makes plenty of money.

[cooolandrew]

43. I think her billions will console her in the end. Oprah acts on her coscience than profit incentive

these days. Oprah is a great humanitarian and large audience small audience she survives her show is popular world wide along with Obama's global popularity. She can take a dint domestically if her show is still popular across the globe.

[InvisibleTouch]

51. Once again: She has the right to endorse anyone she damn well pleases.

As does everyone else, public figure or no. I'm hardly affronted because she hasn't endorsed my candidate; others have. And I seriously don't think she'll lose sleep if a few viewers no longer tune her in because she's being true to herself. Others will respond to her personal integrity and more than make up for a few losses. She's not obligated to endorse either candidate for any reason other than that she personally believes in them. And for those who say she "shouldn't" endorse anyone because she's a public figure, that's absurd. Every poster here who's so passionate about their chosen candidate, would leap at the chance to promote their choice to a huge audience if they only had one. If you had that much influence, wouldn't you use it for what you perceive to be the greater good?

As for this "church" nonsense, that sounds like utter and complete bunk. What she has been doing is a series of webcasts on Monday nights with author Eckhart Tolle (The Power of Now and more), who teaches a certain spiritual view of the universe. It "undermines" Christianity only in the sense that it goes beyond all artificial structures of religious institutions and tries to tap into a greater truth beyond the structure. It's good stuff, and a concept that a lot of posters here could do well to consider. You may not agree with everything that's said or written (and who does agree with every point in any philosophy?), but it's well worth reading just for a whole new perspective on life.

[loveangelc]

53. oprah doesn't give a fuck what her approval rating is

[DemVet]

74. Exactly...

...she's going to hell no matter what.

[loveangelc]

92. are you serious?

[crankychatter]

54. is this another "I'm for Obama BUT....?"

if anyone on earth can afford to take a tiny hit in popularity

IT'S OPRAH

[crankychatter]

56. Oprah's comments regarding American Young People not wanting to learn

Have hurt her more than this shit...

But this whole stream is NOT A DU-P issue

who cares about Oprah's Popularity?

Dr. Phil, is that you?

[BlooInBloo]

58. Stands to reason. She reminded white folks that she was black. Deadly sin.

[enid602]

65. all

All fads grow tired; ALL fads.

[bridgit]

71. I can't recall ever watching her TV show

[truth please]

73. When did Dem's start acting like Repubs

I don't know what the Democratic party is turning into. I remember when the Dixie Chicks came out against Bush and all the talking heads were telling their listeners to stop buying their music, to stop going to their concerts and to ruin them financially. The hate towards those women was awful and Democrat's thought Republican's were beneath contempt for trying to ruin someone that didn't agree with their choice for President. Now here we go, I guess we're no better. Women are mad and wanting to destroy Oprah because she endorsed a man instead of their woman candidate. Boy, that flag waving, bible thumping, land of the free and home of the brave shit only matters when it's something you agree with. I don't even watch Oprah, but she has the same rights as everyone else. Just because she is a woman doesn't mean she has to agree with or vote for one. Maybe just maybe she feels the guy she picked is the right person for the job.

The comment about her having to suffer the consequences of her actions just because she chooses to vote for someone other than a woman is sick. Just because women choose to view her show does not give them carte blanche to tell her who to vote for. This is a free country right? Yes you do have the right to not watch her show but Democrats are turning into Republicans this season by trying to castrate television personalities, radio talk show hosts and others that dare to not agree with them. What has happened to our party? People are beginning to lose all sense of right and wrong with this election. What are we telling the young people, they read blogs and comments? What are we teaching the younger women?

[Me.]

80. It Has Nothing To Do With Obama & Everything To Do With The Fundies

Who are p'od, ticked off and out for blood because of the Awakening seminar she has been holding for the last 7 weeks. They claim she is starting a cult and have filled her message boards with vitriol and hate. They are now making it their mission to try and take her down.

[ellacott]

85. That's what it is

But people will pile on and include everything they don't like about. She also received a lot of criticism when she would feature Marianne Williamson and Shirley McClaine on her show. This was in the early years of her show and she was able to overcome that. They even had fundie websites targeting her.

[Me.]

86. EXACTLY

Not to mention that 11 + million from all over the world downloaded last week's class.

[ellacott]

90. Wow, I didn't know it was that many people

She was teaching The Course in Miracles class to her employees at Harpo. She got a lot of criticism for that also.

People will do all they can to bring down Oprah because she doesn't do want they want.

[bridgit]

89. The Book of Miracles, The Secret, The Power of Now, Psycho Cybernetics, Scientology...

Beware would-be prophets with T-shirts, ball caps & corp logos B-)

[Jamastiene]

106. Not to mention that guy she highlighted recently who

turned out to be totally lying. She shit and fell back in it with that little stunt (without checking the guy's background first). I still know people who are throwing "The Secret" at the wall out of sheer frustration.

[shadowknows69]

82. I'm sure Oprah is worried

She could afford to buy viewers if she wanted to.

[poplockndropit]

84. Ha ha

[kerry-is-my-prez]

87. A lot of her viewers are women esp. older ones - Clinton supporters.

I had heard on her message boards a lot of her "fans" were upset that she backed Obama instead of the first serious female candidate.

[jackson_dem]

95. Good, especially since she could not articulate a real reason for supporting "the one"

:thumbsup:

She is the most prominent example of a "cultist" in Obamanation.

[earth mom]

96. Oprah started to lose me when she foisted Arnold on everyone, then kissed up to O'Lielly,

plus so many other things she promoted like The Secret that all started adding up until I just couldn't stand her anymore.

Obama was the final nail in the coffin.

This religious b.s. she's got going creeps me out too-I'm agnostic, and I'm sick of other people beliefs being pushed 24/7 in this country.

I wish Oprah would shut the hell up. :puke:

[Jamastiene]

107. You sound like me...

when I rant about crap like that. :thumbsup:

[datopbanana]

97. Even if it was proved it did. I bet she'd do it again. Some things more important than ratings

[my3boyz]

98. Well...

I don't think it is because of Barack. I have always had a season pass for Oprah on tivo. I haven't watched many shows this season AT ALL. I don't know what happened to her show but it has become more preachy lately. She has had a few good shows (most recently the dog breeder show) but a lot of them have been BLAH. I don't even watch a lot of them. I just automatically delete. Her show is in a rut. I liked it more when she had more celebrities on(she had Mariah Carey on the other day but I deleted it halfway through the show because Mariah was all into herself..she kept flaunting her body and tossing her hair..annoying). She had a season like this a few years ago. Then she came back better the following season. I hope next season is better.

I do know that some of her supporters were ticked off that she endorsed Barack. However, I honestly don't think that accounts for her falling popularity. I think Oprah is a great person but sometimes you get the feeling that she believes all the hype about her. I guess very successful (best in their fields) people must think like that about themselves. I ABSOLUTELY think Oprah would have endorsed Barack all over again. I don't think she cares at all about what people think about her personal choice. She believes in Barack and believes she is free to speak her mind and that is that.

[NDambi]

101. I didn't watch Oprah before Obama and I don't watch her after Obama..

[raebrek]

102. If her Church is a non profit then I believe

she could lose her non profit status for endorsing a presidential candidate.

Raebrek!!!

[Jamastiene]

103. I'm a Hillary supporter, but

Oprah's decline in popularity has a LOT more to do with Oprah's endorsement of Oprah. She names everything after herself even when she didn't fund it. She's entirely too vain and Oprah centered at this point. Her holier than thou attitude has really reached a crescendo. If anything, Oprah has fueled the decline in her popularity right by herself by being so self centered and smug.

[earth mom]

112. I think that's it too. I'm sick of her smugness and know it all attitude. nt

[UALRBSofL]

109. After she endorsed Obama I quit watching her show.

But I always watch Ellen's show. I think Ellen is top viewership now. She endorsed Hillary. :)

This also goes back to women not voting for Obama in the General Election. They don't support Obama or Oprah any more.

[wowimthere]

114. Like Bitter-gate, this too is stupid. No one was more outraged than the media pundits...

Did you hear them? If you got to see a mash-up of the comments about bitter, you'd swear the media had lost their mind especially the ones that acted like Faux Pundits. Most of the comments were inane. They all look old as they try to appraise the minds of small town America. They are no doubt shilling for Clinton.

AS for Oprah... well she's backing my candidate like the rest of the country. Kudos to her. She knows a good thing when she sees it.

[Blue_Roses]

115. My fundie BIL sent this to me a few weeks ago...

it made me so mad because he knows better than to spew this shit. I kept trying to send him a response without the usual, "fuck this" tone, but I couldn't get past my anger. I still haven't responded, but I know it's coming. I just want to say the right thing that will knock his socks and give him something to think about. He's pretty much a cult follower for Bush.:puke: