Clinton ignores flap; Obama raises it

[rodeodance]

Both of the these bloggers stories have been posted on here-with
BHO fans giving them the high five and smearing Hillary post after post.



Fernando Suarez is the cbs blogger---( the chatty crowd story)
look at his past posts
they are all smears/snarks on Hillary

Same for Jack Tapper the abc blogger (think I saw one hit on BO a while back)

Both of these bloggers have become the mainstay for BHO fans “truth”.

Here is another account-for those interested:


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/clinton_ignores.html

Clinton ignores flap; Obama raises it

Posted by Scott Helman, Political Reporter April 14, 2008 08:20 PM

PHILADELPHIA -- Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama each addressed the Philadelphia Democratic City Committee Jefferson-Jackson Dinner tonight, but they approached their latest spat differently.

Clinton ignored it completely, striking her ain't-it-cool-we-are-both-running-for-president tone as the Democratic rank-and-file of Philadelphia munched on Philly cheese steak, Italian sausage, deep-friend jalapeno poppers, and other heart-healthy fare.

"Neither Senator Obama nor myself could have dreamed we would be right here asking you for your votes," Clinton said, praising the pioneers of the civil rights and women's rights movements. "We are the beneficiaries of the work and sacrifice that so many of you and countless Americans have done over so many generations."

But Obama did talk about it, asking supporters to stand by him "if you understand that people really are angry, they really are fed up, some of them are really bitter, because Washington has forgotten them."

"It's not me who's out of touch," he continued. "It's folks that think that somehow folks are happy when they're out of a job and they lost a pension and they don't have heath care and their schools are underfunded. I know exactly what folks are going through."

"And," Obama added for good measure, "I go to church."

[TheDonkey]

1. Ouch. I'm sure Hill is sad she opened this can of worms. She should go back to slammin shots

or dodging sniper fire.

[rodeodance]

2. Obama opened by putting his foot in his mouth.

[Windy]

3. He's speaking for me when he says that the middle class and rural america is bitter!

Damn right I'm bitter. I've seen many loved ones lose their jobs, an additional one this week, due to outsourcing brought to you by NAFTA which only came to fruition from its institution over the last 2-3 years!

I've seen many young men and women in my community go off to fight the senseless war in Iraq that your candidate supported!

should I go on?

[rodeodance]

11. NO need. this board is full of hate-full bitterness.

[bigtree]

5. he's the leader

of the bitter brigade

[stahbrett]

13. Why is it a can of worms for Obama? It seems to be working for him... (nt)

[anonymous171]

4. lol. The one time Hillary decides not to mention the "bitter" comments.

She's been parroting her little "out of touch" line all weekend.

[NJmaverick]

32. No one listened to her speech, so she stopped after 5 minutes

THAT is why she didn't do her bitter or elitist smear.

[Why Syzygy]

6. So? He's supposed to be nice expecting her to keep up the same even after

she has ambushed him on more than one occasion after the fact, while everyone thought that for once she was going to act dignified?

yuh rite

[msallied]

7. "And the skies will open up! And celestial choirs will sing!" n/t

[Why Syzygy]

8. SHAME ON YOU OBAMA!

She's the back stabber queen.

[msallied]

16. Damn straight.

I've never seen so many people amassed in a single place who were so blatantly blind to pandering. It turns my stomach.

[islandmkl]

9. oh, it's you, again....

[rodeodance]

15. oh, it's you, again....

[TK421]

53. You should post that picture every time you get one of these

shit responses....thats a good one, too :thumbsup:

[chieftain]

10. Be careful as you and the Clinton Campaign quickly back peddle

from your wildly overblown bitterness issue. It is just plain sad that a political organization that regularly stiffs small business people by not paying their debts on time is flushing money down the drain on a TV ad attempting to exploit an issue that only has saliency within the Republican Party and Hillary's inner circle. I guess Penn has been demoted but the tone-deafness lingers on.

[gabeana]

12. you know why she didn't mention it?

because it backfired
and since it "just" politics that's what the Hillary crowd been telling us
Obama's going to run with it

[rodeodance]

14. she will choose wisely when to use it. That moment was not the right time

[gabeana]

17. Oh it wa s the right time

with those Union members yesterday
give it up and admit it backfired

[Why Syzygy]

48. So why make a thread? Because she held her bile for one afternoon? That deserves a THREAD?

[rodeodance]

56. Obama spits bile

[Why Syzygy]

60. I can understand your frustration. eom

[Obamanaut]

35. I think she didn't mention it because it wasn't in her notes. nt

[girl gone mad]

18. very telling.

Hillary had to drop this line of attack because it wasn't working for her (she got booed last time), but Obama really seems to have struck a chord with people.

[NJmaverick]

42. Not really surprising

Hillary hasn't master the fine arts of Karl Rove politics. She attacked Obama herself, instead of using surrogates. Plus she failed to appreciate that she is more "elitist" than Obama, so that charge was not going to be believable (coming from her mouth anyway).

[Why Syzygy]

49. Right. No more believable than Rove calling Obama "arrogant".

[Willo]

19. Oh, so now she wants to act nice.

Obama has extended that olive branch more times than she has deserved.

The last time of note, led to the "meet me in Ohio" faux outrage.
She has continued being low and nasty ever since.

But, now she has done the worst of things, but she will never understand it.
She has viciously attacked and tried to malign, an honest man's honor, integrity and strong beliefs (that includes his religion and his fight for the american people).

Its not just political, its personal.

[PoliticalAmazon]

20. She's trying to save her campaign from her latest torpedoing of it...

...How can ANYBODY think Hillary could survive a GE?

[NJmaverick]

36. The crowd ingored her and wouldn't even stop talking

She wasn't "nice". She stormed off the stage in a hissy fit, after 5 minutes.

[AtomicKitten]

21. Ignores the flap my ass. Do you think people here are retarded with this BS you offer up?

This nonstop reframing of reality only works on the sheep.

[NJmaverick]

34. The crowd refused to listen to Hillary

That's why she didn't mention it. In fact she only spoke for 5 minutes, so she mentioned precious little.

[AtomicKitten]

39. Good point.

:toast:

[TK421]

22. Uhhhh..this part got to me, in particular

"Clinton ignored it completely, striking her ain't-it-cool-we-are-both-running-for-president tone as the Democratic rank-and-file of Philadelphia munched on Philly cheese steak, Italian sausage, deep-friend jalapeno poppers, and other heart-healthy fare."


:toast: OH, YEAH BABY!!!!!! That just about sums up my childhood diet!

[Willo]

23. She should just say what she REALLY thinks - people in PA are dumb as hell, but not bitter. n/t

[jenmito]

24. Awww. Just when she finally figured out that line of attack wasn't working for her, HE dares bring

it up! :rofl: It backfired on her BIG TIME!

[Skip Intro]

25. "And," Obama added for good measure, "I go to church." - WTF?

What the hell does he mean by that?

Does that mean you're better than the other candidates because you go to church more then them? But you didn't say more, did you. Implying Hillary doesn't go to church? What the hell did he mean?

He can't help putting himself upon a pedestal.

And instead of killing the "elitist" and "arrogant" labels, he underscores them.

[anonymous171]

26. Perhaps you weren't aware of the RW spin that Obama is a "socialist"?

[jenmito]

27. Good for him! Don't you get it? Hillary and the RWers were claiming he's an "out of touch elitist"

who was RIDICULING people who went to church (and used guns, etc.)

[Skip Intro]

33. So he pivots and panders?

He is the one that claimed that rural voters "cling" to religion and guns out of bitterness. Very easily seen as ridiculing them. And he acknoledged as much by apologizing for his remarks.

Know what, tho. He may well have inflicted a political wound upon himself with that line about going to church. We all know he goes to chruch. We've all seen the, "God Damn America" snippets of his spiritual mentor of 20 yrs. And those people he was trying to woo with that line - the ones he feels he offended with his "bitter" remarks? Well he may well have just reminded them of something they may have forgotten.

[jenmito]

38. Um, no...

He, unlike Hillary, was just setting the record straight (after days of Hillary taking his words completely out of context).

Yeah, keep "hope" alive that people will think negatively of Obama (since that's all Hillary has left). :rofl:

[Skip Intro]

40. Seeing him for what he is can be a challenge for some.

Did she say he didn't go to church.

Or did she comment on HIS own words. He said thosse things. She didn't

How dare people hold Obama to his own words? Not like they do that with Hillary, is it?

[jenmito]

43. You're obviously an idiot...

She said he was out of touch with people and belittled them-those who go to church, hunt, etc. :eyes:

[Skip Intro]

46. ROFL! Aren't you supposed to call me a repuke first?

If he thinks people cling to religion and guns out of bitterness, he is out of touch.

Why did he apologize? If he was not saying what he was saying, then why apologize?


Nobody said he didn't go to church. We all KNOW he goes to church, we've met the pastor.

[jenmito]

47. No. I've NEVER used that term...

He said HE clings to religion. It's not a negative-it's a reality.

He apologized to people like YOU who purposely took his words out of context.

But he meant what he said.

[Skip Intro]

51. Wonder if he'll say it again, then, being that he meant what he said.

I'm thinking he won't.

I've always waited for a "leader" who will change his words at the least amount of friction. But he is a blank slate, after all. At least that is what he said.


I still think he may have opened a can of worms with that "And I go to church" comment. I think he may inadverently stoked recent feelings concerning Wright in the very people I see him as suddenly pandering to.

Who knows. Maybe it went over their heads?

[jenmito]

54. He is sticking by what he MEANT...

his words were "poorly chosen" he said (after Hillary and others took the easy sound-bite out of context) but he absolutely sticks by the idea that people are bitter when being let down and ignored by the govt. for year after year, and vote on issues like religion or guns or immigration, etc.

[NJmaverick]

37. Hillary suggested Obama was anti religion

so it makes sense he said that. Then again you support Hillary, so making sense....

[Skip Intro]

44. He said rural people cling to religion out of bitterness. How did she suggest he was anti-religion?

Did she comment on his words, HIS words - not hers? Yep. Did she offer a different view? Yep.

But where did she suggest he was, "anti-religion?"

Can you link to something, well, I know many Obama supporters hate this word, but...specific?

[demwing]

55. This is an EASY one

How can you act condescendingly toward church-goers, when you are one?

Is Obama an elitist over himself? Are you mental?

[bigbrother05]

28. Did she have a

BOILERMAKER with that lunch she had

[AllentownJake]

29. Whats a matter

All the shit you've been spouting for the past 4 days doesn't fly with the City of Brotherly love and the subburbs around there? BTW these people hate guns so you can take your Annie Oakley costume off when you go there :-)

[NJmaverick]

30. LOL! Nice spin Hillbot, but it's completely FALSE

First of all with just 5 minutes, Hillary couldn't cover anything. Secondly the crowd wouldn't stop talking or even pay attention to her. They let her know, with their actions, how they feel about her and how she has behaved.

She is toast.

[IADEMO2004]

31. "Bit of a dick" Jon Stewart

[Auntie Bush]

41. Breaking: Obama goes to church!

[jenmito]

45. That's right! You wouldn't know that from Hillary portraying him as being out of touch with people

who go to church, hunt, etc.

[Auntie Bush]

59. First time I heard that she said that. I could have sworn Obama was the one who made the

comments about people clinging to their religion and guns because they were bitter. But maybe I just heard wrong. :hi:

[AZBlue]

50. She gets booed when she brings it up - even she's not that dumb, of course she stopped.

[Imagevision]

52. Surprise! Hillary actually thought she with Bill were going to talk their way back into the WH.

Now Bill can purchase his 10 million condo in Dubai... buh-bye Bill

[rodeodance]

58. utterly ignorant comment from you.

[Beacool]

57. If I were him I would omit the "going to church" part.

Considering the type of church he attends and the preacher who he listened to for 20 years............

:eyes:

[krkaufman]

61. So freaking what if she chose one speech in which not to be a negative d**khead

It's not different than her faux "honor" at the end of the Texas debate. She's as insincere as they come, and I'll be thrilled when we're done with her.

[NJmaverick]

62. She had to quit speaking after 5 minutes

No one would listen or stop talking. These were Democrats that were in no mood to listen to Hillary attack Democrats, liberals and Obama. So it's not to her credit that she didn't go negative, she never got a chance.

[krkaufman]

64. Oh, it was in THAT speech.

Too funny. Yeah, given a bit more time, I'm sure she would've thrown *someone* under the bus.

[kevinmc]

63. Better get that Pulitzer Winner Taylor Marsh on this ASAP ... n/t