Clinton "bitter" about her gender.

[yourguide]

God she is such a flipping moron. Now she's upset because gender isnt getting enough attention. The reason is because Obama is not making it an issue looking for those soundbytes for the news. The reason RACE is getting the attention it's getting is because you, the former president I used to love, and your rabid jackass surrogates are making it an issue you F'n loser!

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/15/894098.aspx

Clinton: Gender's gotten less attention


From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Hillary Clinton told a newspaper association today that the issue of gender had gotten less attention than the issue of race in this election. The comments came in response to a question about the role race was playing in the 2008 election.

"It's inescapable that race and gender -- which has gotten, I must say, much less attention -- are part of who we are," she said at a luncheon at the Newspaper Association of America Annual Convention. "But we both wished to be judged on the sum of our parts, and that is our life experience, our record in public service and so much else."

*snip*

[splat]

1. The first woman president would be huge -- are you bitter about that?

Women are more than half of all Democrats.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. I'm sorry to tell you, but the first woman president will be a Maggie Thatcher-esque conservative

Bank on it.

[yourguide]

3. Hardly, I'm a woman...

No one is out there from the obama camp suggesting she wouldnt be in the race if she werent a woman.

Race is only an issue because HRC and co take every opportunity they can to MAKE it an issue. The obama camp does not pull that crap.

[Mags]

9. another carried away, fawning Obama admirer. how can you fall for all this crap?

[splat]

12. Race is an issue because Obama is obviously black

"No one is out there from the obama camp suggesting she wouldnt be in the race if she werent a woman."

Nobody here was suggesting it either, till you said it. Where did that come from? People who knew Hillary in college expected she'd be president someday.

There remains racial tension in America. If you don't think that's true, or that it wouldn't be an issue but for Hillary, you're not living in the same America I am.

The racists will just vote for McCain and not say why.

[yourguide]

19. um

I was talking about her Geraldine Ferraro and Bob Johnson saying he wouldnt be in this race if it werent for the fact the he is black.

Now, take the same statement...substitute "black" for "a woman" and have that statement come out of an obama surrogates mouth and there would be hell to pay.

And yes there does remain racial tension in america, just as there is gender discrimination but it seems the HRC camp can keep whipping up the race frenzy but then feel like they are left out when obama doesnt whip up PMSgate?

[splat]

24. This isn't Telepathic Underground, ya know...

So say Bob Johnson, not Hillary. Obama's resume is slender for a candidate. He has a rhetorical appeal that helps trump that.

But the statement doesn't make any sense about Hillary.

I don't see any race frenzy. Don't want to, either.

Fact check: Hillary left PMS behind about 15 years ago. Post-menopause lacks hormone swings.

[yourguide]

29. ROFL

Thanks for the fact check, forgot about that. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I think you need to turn on the news to see the race frenzy my friend, it's there, it's sad but it's there.

And those statements dont make any sense about Obama either. Thats how stupid those statements are both ways but somehow the jesse jackson crack from Bill about SC, Bob Johnson and Geraldine Ferraro, etc etc come out from that camp and presto, race becomes a big issue yet again. Gender is not getting the same attention because no one is saying the same crap, replacing Black for Woman, about her.

[splat]

35. Somebody probably gave Obama that fact check already

Race frenzy would be in the streets. This is just lip-flapping.

Gender is getting plenty of attention, largely from women. It's pretty much out there that the slams on Hillary remind women of the crap they've experienced when they find that gender does matter. The older the women, the more glass ceilings they've encountered. Young women often don't realize that it's easy to be the ingenue, and then advancement gets incrementally harder. Younger women are more valued than older women in this culture. It's not a meritocracy.

You can't replace Black for Woman, unless you can replace White for Man. Apples and oranges. Being a man helps him a lot among the mostly male movers and shakers in media, for instance. They can relate.

[Spider Jerusalem]

34. And Hillary's somehow a more impressive candidate, WHY?

She was married to a relatively popular president, carpetbagged her way to a safe Senate seat in a state she had no ties to on the basis of her name recognition, and she's somehow more qualified than Obama to be president? Her resume is pretty fucking slender, too, you know. Her 'experience' argument doesn't wash. And would definitely backfire against McCain should she be nominated.

[Spider Jerusalem]

30. Just like gender is only an issue (when it is) because Clinton makes it one.

She's the only one making an issue of either Obama's race or her gender.

[emilyg]

33. Ask Michelle and Jackson.

[Arugula Latte]

5. As a woman, I'm happy to wait for a decent female candidate.

I'd love a female president.

Hillary ain't the one.

[DesertFlower]

15. i agree. nt

[splat]

17. That's what every boss says when he passes a woman over for a promotion; the bar is much higher

I don't recall Obama campaigning to change the way men are hard on women!

Meanwhile, all sorts of undistinguished good ole boys leap easily into those jobs.

It's like a man looking for the perfect woman -- but women can be hard on women, too.

Ultimately, it's voting against your own self-interest.

[Raine]

7. "Bitter" regarding a woman president...that's RIDICULOUS!

:wtf:

[Raine]

4. She just doesn't seem to get IT

which makes me think she is too out of touch and doesn't have enough of a grasp on reality to even be president.

[DesertFlower]

16. agreed. nt

[splat]

18. But you don't seem to get it, either -- most of us are battling tough times, and slogans won't help

Core Dems have spent most of their lives hoping for change. There's just no reason to believe that someone with slender cred can do it.

Hillary is seasoned enough to do it effectively now.

[emilyg]

28. Hear. Hear!

[Beaverhausen]

6. Where does it say she is "upset" or "bitter"?

She is merely noting that gender isn't getting as much attention.

[yourguide]

8. lol...um ok.

it's a joke...maybe you've heard of bitter-gate or are you new here?

[Beaverhausen]

37. oh right- I can tell by all the replies here that you were just making a joke

what is with the divisiveness of Obama's supporters? I'm pretty certain he would not approve.

[goldcanyonaz]

10. Bitter? NO! Angry? Fuck YES! And, many of us will write Hillary in this November.

[splat]

20. I think you won't have to write her in; the tortoise wins

:toast:

[goldcanyonaz]

23. Good to see you as always Splat!

:loveya:

[yourguide]

22. Ah another vote for McCain...good work.

[americanstranger]

26. I thought Obama supporters were the angry ones.

It's so hard to keep shit straight around here.

- as

[quantass]

11. Yes she is the one that injects Race and Gender into this thing -- Shame on her...

Hillary, just stick to the issues like Obama has.

[Catchawave]

13. .

:spray:

[splat]

14. Have you read ANY American history? Race and gender are central. all presidents have been white men

[splat]

25. Is Annie Oakley an Issue? How about inner-city guns? He talking about them?

[emilyg]

32. Actually Michelle and Jackson did.

Carry on.

[leaningprog]

21. we watched our Clintons rip our high esteem away from themselves

My wife and I, on the cusp of our son's return from his third
tour in Iraq, Purple Heart, but alive and well, inhaled the early
setup for the primaries. We decided that we both would be satisfied
with either Obama or Hillary, it felt like a no lose proposition.

The more we watched, the more we saw the racial jabs and innuendo
crap get stirred in by Hillary's husband and surrogates. As time
went by we saw all the sort of personal destruction and smear we
had always known were from the Republican attack machine when
we staunchly stood by Bill Clinton and Hillary in the 90's,
both of us voting for Bill twice. For a few days we talked
about it, and talked ourselves into the fact we were seeing
things. But nope, the Clintons clawed at racial innuendo and
in every way worked to make this a black / white contest, as
if they had to have that to make their campaign work. My wife
stood by Hillary as I focused more on Obama. I respect my
wife immensely and I trust her so deeply that again and again
I went back and checked myself to be sure I wasn't seeing things
that were not there.

As the weeks and cheap tricks went by began to realize that
the Clintons were doing exactly what we had always been convinced
that only an Atwater or Rove would do. When they finally pulled
in the old Clinton White House gang and it got even slimier
we independently came up with the same answer. The Clintons
politics of personal destruction and injury was on par with
any available in our experience of modern politics.

We have family and friends whom we talk with and many of the
women are backing Hillary, and more and more they say they
are disappointed in her behavior and tactics, but they identify
with her and want a woman president.

I have one son and two daughters, and a woman I am married to
who is every bit my equal or better. We all want a woman
to be president, at one time this included Hillary.

I have vented on both Clintons on this forum, not because I
am an Obama fanatic, nor do I believe he doesn't have some
rough edges. But I adored both the Clintons and they have
brought me from there to loathing since January and I suppose
if I hadn't held them so high for so long, I wouldn't be able
to be this disappointed in how they have turned out to be.

The way things sit, we may get a Republican in the fall now,
and I could live with John McCain far easier than the likes
of Bush and Cheney although I could not vote for him. But
if the ploy I am watching works, and Hillary is set up to
run again in four years to replace a moderate Republican,
she will have an impossible time instead of merely the
difficult time of this primary, the Clintons have let their
true self show, and Hillary has shown me that she is a
gifted, but fatally flawed candidate who will never be
able to stop fighting and sliming long enough to lead.

[ecstatic]

27. Exactly! Obama isn't gender baiting

He's taken the high road all along. He has used kid gloves when dealing with her. If he didn't, she'd have been out the race long ago.

[yourguide]

31. Thank you...my point exactly.

[splat]

38. But she's used kid gloves, too -- they're both Dems! McCain won't pull punches

And there aren't a lot of punches Hillary hasn't already deflected. Obama, who knows? He's new, and untested at that level.

[undeterred]

36. Emily's list just called me, begging for money.

I said, you're not giving money to HILLARY, are you? Apparently they know better- they're not. Its not like I have any money to give anyway, but if I did I wouldn't be throwing it in the garbage.