SOME OBAMA SUPPORTERS ASKED WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY. HERE’S A “FEW” REASONS:

[BigBearJohn]

Just received this list in my email:

• Hillary was instrumental in changing the Arkansas school system from one of worst systems to a role model used by other troubled schools on how to improve public education.
  
  
• Hillary led she led the fight in 2006 to kill the anti-gay Republican constitutional amendment that for the first time would have added laws to the Constitution that would INCREASE discrimination.
  
  
• Hillary led a federal effort that provided insurance support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.
  
  
• Hillary was able to secure a raise in research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.
  
  
• Hillary initiated the Adoption and Safe Families Act.
  
  
• Hillary authored a lot of legislation while she was on the Armed Services Committee which resulted in increased and improved benefits for our returning Iraq veterans.
  
  
• Hillary was one of several key Senators who fought to give our military badly needed raises and increase in benefits.
  
  
• Hillary has been fighting for a woman's right to choose since 1974.
  
  
• Hillary is fighting to lift the ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases.
  
  
• Hillary VOTED FOR $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives.
  
  
• Hillary was rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record.
  
  
• Hillary promises to protect next generation by paying off national debt.
  
  
• Hillary has fought to help people facing foreclosure.
  
  
• Hillary met MLK Jr. in 1962 while he was preaching in Chicago and learned the importance of equal rights for all.
  
  
• Hillary brought black classmates to her until-then all-white church in 1965.
  
  
• Hillary has criticized China's human rights abuses since 1995.
  
  
• Hillary instituted gender diversity Report Card within the American Bar Association in 1988, which set standards for lawyers in the U.S.
  
  
• Hillary worked as a lawyer in ’72, suing white-only schools, working with Marian Wright Edelman on enforcing school desegregation in the South.
  
  
• Hillary said in October, 2000, that it's not enough for America just to apologize for slavery and move on; we need to concentrate on civil rights now.
  
  
• Hillary has been pushing for a "Privacy Bill of Rights" for all Americans since 2000.
  
  
• Hillary will end “don't ask, don't tell” in the military, "Gay soldiers need to shoot straight, not be straight." November 2003.
  
  
• Hillary supports civil unions, with full equality of federal benefits.
  
  
• Hillary voted YES to adding violent crimes based on victim's sexual orientation to the definition of hate crimes.
  
  
• Hillary was rated 96% by the NAACP, affirming her pro-affirmative-action stance.
  
  
• Hillary SUPPORTS Freedom of Speech by voting “NO” on recommending a Constitutional ban on flag desecration.
  
  
• Hillary voted AGAINST repealing a tax subsidy for companies that move US jobs offshore.
  
  
• Hillary voted FOR more funding and stricter sentencing for prosecution of hate crimes. (Apr 2001)
  
  
• Hillary voted to require DNA testing for all federal executions.
  
  
• Hillary was in college during the height of the drug culture in the late 1960s, but she devoted herself to work on civil rights instead of partying and taking drugs.
  
  
• Hillary is fighting for Universal pre-kindergarten.
  
  
• Hillary is FOR establishing an education "Bill of Rights" – one that will establish the right to education from pre-school thru college.
  
  
• Hillary has fought publicly Since 1998 to keep art and music programs in public schools.
  
  
• Hillary believes 'Government should pay off all student loans for teachers who go to urban schools."
  
  
• Hillary calls for a complete re-write, a complete change in “No Child Left Behind.”
  
  
• Hillary was rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes.
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on spending $448B on education & debt reduction instead of Bush's tax cut for the rich. (Apr 2001)
  
  
• Hillary wants to "Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us." (Jun 2006)
  
  
• Hillary wants to build a "$50B strategic energy research fund from taxing oil companies." (Oct 2006)
  
  
• Hillary wants to invest in alternative energy; jobs that won't be outsourced.
  
  
• Hillary called on U.S. to Ratify Kyoto; and fund more mass transit. (Sep 2000)
  
  
• Hillary was rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
  
  
• Hillary voted NO on drilling for oil in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
  
  
• Hillary voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
  
  
• Hillary was rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes.
  
  
• Hillary voted NO on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
  
  
• Hillary called on Bush to "Put someone in charge of Katrina recovery who actually cares." (Aug 2007)
  
  
• Hillary supports green-collar job training.
  
  
• Hillary introduced bill to better track kids' products for exposures to toxic materials coming from China.
  
  
• Hillary calls for the government to treat kids as "child citizens" not "minors" under the law. (Since Dec 1999)
  
  
• Hillary was rated 0% by the Christian Coalition
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on enlarging NATO to include poor Eastern Europe nations. (May 2002 "Smartest strategic choice is peace." (Nov 1999)
  
  
• Hillary called for a NATO-enforced no-fly zone to end Darfur genocide. (June, 2007
  
  
• Hillary worked to pass Constitutional Amendment in the 70’s to allow young people aged 18, 19, 20 to vote.
  
  
• Hillary voted NO on allowing lobbyist gifts to Congress
  
  
• Hillary pledges to support $50B for AIDS relief in US and world
  
  
• Hillary was rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record.
  
  
• Hillary voted NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
  
  
• Hillary ays, "Torture cannot be American policy, period." (Sep 2007)
  
  
• Hillary would never say anything as creepy and cult-like as "We are the ones we have been waiting for."
  
  
• Hillary was rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record.
  
  
• Hillary voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
  
  
• Hillary voted No on a salary increase for Congress until minimum wage increased.
  
  
• Hillary would accept minimum wage as president. (Jul 2007)
  
  
• Hillary rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record.
  
  
• Hillary voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing
  
  
• Hillary admits she made mistake in believing in WMDs in Iraq after being mislead by the Bush Administration.
  
  
• Hillary reaches out to conservatives but voting record is progressive.
  
  
• Hillary says "Karl Rove is obsessed with me because I take Republicans on & beat them." (Aug 2007)
  
  
• Hillary served as a Staff attorney on Watergate/Nixon impeachment investigation.
  
  
• Hillary organized Indiana for Carter-Mondale campaign. She knows what it is like to work on a democrat campaign in RED STATES!
  
  
• Hillary was rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation.
  
  
• Hillary voted NO on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
  
  
• Hillary voted NO on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice.
  
  
• Hillary rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record.
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on increasing tax deductions for college tuition.
  
  
• Hillary steered college anti-war movement while at Wellesley in 1968.
  
  
• Hillary was recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women.
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
  
  
• Hillary led her church to found the largest daycare in Arkansas during the ‘80s.
  
  
• Hillary chaired Legal Services Corp. in President Carter's Administration - allowing Poor Families access to legal aid.
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report to get us out of Iraq in a fast, safe manner.
  
  
• Hillary voted YES on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders eliminated by the Bush Administration.
  
  
• Hillary worked with Evan Bayh, Al Gore, Bill Clinton and others in the 1980s to rejuvenate the Democratic Party from within.
  
  
• Hillary entered in 1969 law school as "vehicle for social change."
  
  
• Hillary calls to increase spending for libraries.
  
  
• Hillary called for "Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately" in October, 2006.
  
  

[Autumn]

1. Thank you

I am keeping this.

[GarbagemanLB]

2. 'Yea' on IWR. No thanks.

[rodeodance]

29. not all of America are single issue voters. Good on them.

[Eric Condon]

60. Don't EVER conflate opposing the war with being a "single-issue voter."

Everyone knows the term "single-issue voters" typically refers to those "values voters" who vote Republican based on wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage. This is NOT the same thing, so don't say that it is.

Your candidate is smart, she KNEW good and well that Bu$h and his cronies were lying about the cause for war, and she went ahead and voted for it anyway, because she knew it would make her look tough on defense for her already-planned 2008 presidential run. She was a vocal supporter of the war for years, until she announced she was running for president and realized the war wasn't popular anymore. In the meantime, 4000+ troops and millions of Iraqis have DIED for absolutely nothing.

I will never vote for this woman, ever. If that makes me "disloyal to the Democrats," fine, because if the party makes the statement that she is the kind of candidate that they're willing to run in the GE, then I apparently don't belong in the Democratic Party, and neither does any other true progressive.

I'm not a "single-issue voter." I just happen to recognize two simple truths:

Number one: the war has to stop. This should be the single biggest priority for the nation right now. Not gas prices, not gay marriage, not abortion, not the economy, not mortgages and foreclosures or any of that. NONE of that is as important as putting a stop to the senseless killing of innocent people in the name of lies.

Number two: Hillary has been on the wrong side of this issue for too long. She has no credibility to speak against the war, and her recent posturing, trying to make like she's been a leader on this issue, is laughable. If she would've apologized for her vote, like every other credible Senator who voted for the war already has, then she might have some credibility, but as it stands (months of pointedly refusing to apologize), the damage is done. Simply put, her record on this issue is reason #1 why Hillary Clinton does not deserve to be president.

[anonymous171]

3. Isn't this a slightely edited piece copied from Taylor Marsh/Hillary hub?

[Kittycat]

7. Ugh. Not more Taylor Trash.. Please.

I also agree with the PP on the IWR, but also RW smear tactics and a serious issue with telling the truth come to mind. And not just little lies - but lying about shit that doesn't even warrant it in the least... Like sniper fire?!?!?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

Obama has a 100% Naral rating too. In fact Obama and Clinton share a few of those.

Can you do a *net* version of this list? I'm eating dinner and then I have work to do otherwise I would.

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/obama.html

[Ian David]

4. HILLARY PLEDGES TO FIX THE CAPS LOCK KEY ON YOUR COMPUTER! N/T

[rodeodance]

35. Mocking Hillary just like your leader does.

[Ian David]

53. At least I'm not a humorless over-sensitive douchebag. Geesh! You known what?

I'm finally fed-up with you and putting you on ignore.

[leftofcool]

5. There are so many of these I appreciate

there are many major ones but one lesser vote that I really appreciate is the voting NO to Gale Norton who Hillary recognized as a thief from the get go!

[AtomicKitten]

6. You forgot the IWR, Kyl-Lieberman, torture, cluster bombs, NAFTA, bankruptcy.

[BigBearJohn]

19. Why don't you make your own post listing all the reasons we should vote for Obama...

Some Obama supporters said "instead of just attacking Obama,
why don't you post some reasons you are voting for Hillary?"

So, I did. If you want to attack, go ahead, but why don't you
do something positive like starting your own thread about all
the reasons a person should vote for Obama... who knows? Maybe
you might convert me.

[AtomicKitten]

23. I'm sorry you find adding her "accomplishments" to your list at issue.

Unless, of course, you don't want to be truthful and would prefer to blow sunshine up peoples' keisters. Most people want to see the WHOLE PICTURE, not just rainbows and baskets of kittens and puffed-up resumes. But, hey, you go on with your bad self and pretend the truth of my additions to your list doesn't exist. Mum's the word.

[BigBearJohn]

47. Still waiting for your list of Obama's POSITIVE "accomplishments"...

[AtomicKitten]

51. Still waiting for you to tell the truth about Hillary.

[BigBearJohn]

62. You're missing the point. I am aware of her faults. People asked for positive

reasons to vote FOR her.

Both you and I can get into a pissing contest to see
whose candidates has the most faults. But that was NOT
the purpose of this post.

People have said to me, "Why don't you post the reasons
you are voting for Hillary?" THAT IS WHAT I POSTED.
This post lists the reasons I am voting for Hillary.
I'm sure most of you Obama supporters are quite
familiar with Hillary's faults. I don't need to post
them. I was asked for her positives, so I posted them.

If you create a post of all the wonderful reasons I
should vote for Obama, I will not shoot you down.
I will read it.

[AllentownJake]

8. Thanks

However, I still like Obama better.

[Symarip]

9. Funny how you resume posters never post about

How she helped lead 4000+ American troops to die in a useless war.

Cheers, To The Goddess of Peace.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. If you're going to plagerize Taylor Marsh you should either cite her or change some of your wording

http://truthteller998.vox.com/library/post/100-reasons-to-support-hillary-clinton-from-taylormarshcom.html

[BlooInBloo]

25. Like candidate, like supporter, apparently.

[baldguy]

11. I'm sure she brush's her teeth every morning

and wears clean underwear every day too.

[BigBearJohn]

21. At least her kid doesn't call her STINKY, like Michelle says Obama's kids call him..

[baldguy]

22. BEFORE he stopped smoking.

[Skip Intro]

12. Excellent! Thanks.

[kwenu]

13. That's wonderful. Now about those delegates and the popular vote...

She doesn't have them.

[jillan]

14. A big k & R!!!!!

[Occam Bandage]

15. Hillary Clinton is indeed a Democrat. I have never doubted that.

That does not mean that Barack Obama is not a far better choice.

[Buzz Clik]

16. I didn't ask. I used to support her. Now I don't. Thanks anyway.

[Tribetime]

17. impressive, I wish her campaign had focused on the same

[Imagevision]

18. I salute you Hillary Clinton however I would prefer that you continue working in New York...

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. Rock on. Thank you for this. K&R

[Ian_rd]

24. Excellent list! She should therefore stay exactly where she is and continue her great work.

Re-elect Hillary to the Senate!

[Beacool]

26. Thanks for the post!!!

Not that the Kool-Aid drinkers care about her accomplishments, the way that they trash her is disgusting.

[AX10]

27. K & R!

An excellent record!

[gabeana]

28. Hillary was a goldwater girl

so I seriously doubt these

Hillary met MLK Jr. in 1962 while he was preaching in Chicago and learned the importance of equal rights for all.

Hillary brought black classmates to her until-then all-white church in 1965

thats why she supported a candidate that was against civil rights act?

I smell bull shit from Hill supporters again, check you shoes

[rodeodance]

31. College changes many people. Like, BHO--he dropped the "barry"--wanted to be black.

[gabeana]

33. Look at the years these supposedly happened

1962 and 1965 yet she was still a supporter of Goldwater?

what year did she go to college 66, 67

[rodeodance]

36. do you own research

[gabeana]

48. come on now, you know Hillary stretches the truth

[Emit]

38. 'Wanted to be black'? WTF does that mean?

[rodeodance]

42. Read his books--its all in there

[Emit]

50. You read his books?

[rodeodance]

59. as a matter of fact I have --and I have read Hillary's also.

[rodeodance]

41. Your post sounds just like a RW smear of Hillary. Rush would be proud of you.

[gabeana]

49. No I think Hillary doing fine by her self

The life that Hugh and Dorothy created for Hillary and her two brothers was a classic 1950s middle-class suburban childhood. Park Ridge in those days was the kind of place where everyone left their doors unlocked and the neighborhood kids all played on the block together. Hillary was a Brownie and then a Girl Scout. She started her political life as a Republican, like her father. She even volunteered as a Goldwater girl!


http://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/growingup/

I just gave you a smackdown

[rodeodance]

30. REC

[shadowknows69]

32. Wow, all that work and she's still going to lose

Sucks for her.

[Milo_Bloom]

34. IWR, Bankrupcy, Nafta... no sale.

Gotta love some these "points" to fill out a pretty pathetic list.

"Hillary says "Karl Rove is obsessed with me because I take Republicans on & beat them." (Aug 2007)"

"Hillary entered in 1969 law school as "vehicle for social change.""



Get real.

[Radical Activist]

56. She entered law school after turning down a community organizing job offer from Saul Alinksy.

She wanted to work in the system. It says a lot about her institutional top-down mindset compared to Obama's movement activist background.

[zulchzulu]

37. You forgot how she has superpowers to stop sniper fire just in the nick of time

Look where you STOLE the thread:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/29/205555/359

Sheesh...lies, lies, lies...

[mkultra]

39. she rock and roll except for the lying thing

[BlueJac]

40. I see all 16 supporters at DU of Hillary kicked this post...

GOBAMA

[rodeodance]

44. and BHO fans come on with RW smears and mockery. Very immature.

[Dinger]

66. There Are More Than 16 Hillary Supporters Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5498856&mesg_id=5498856

[grantcart]

43. Do you know what's wrong with this OP?

Nothing.

Do you know what's wrong with the Clinton campaign?:

1) In over a year the Clinton campaign they have virtually convinced no one that they didn't already own



2) Rather than running on this record, rather than finding away to just get Hillary out there they tried 'packaging her'. Going to Bosnia wasn't good enough she had to dodge sniper fire. In their eyes this list isn't good enough she had to do it while doing other super human things.

3) Unable to find a theme they desperately hope that Obama will make some little misstep so that they can jump on it.


Six months ago McCain was dead in the water. Low in the polls and broke he shucked it all and went into gymnasium after gymnasium and had candidate forums and took on all questions. Hillary wouldn't take questions, then she planted them.


Hillary Rodham Clinton never had enough confidence in this list to just go out and let it all hang out and take it on one on one with the American people. And now, many of the people like you, have a deep abiding loathing of Obama because Hillary Clinton didn't posses enough self confidence at an existential level to take away all of the packaging and lay herself out bare.

If you and Bigtree had been in charge of her media and policy issues right now Obama would be endorsing HRC and we would be looking at 16 years of strong democratic leadership. Unfortunately its her fault that we are now locked in a bitter civil war which she has in fact lost.

[Dinger]

45. Excellent List BigBear John, And I'm Sure That List Is Even Longer : )

:)

[cbayer]

46. I know, I know.

She is not who many here think she is. They have developed a caricature that has no basis in reality. Thanks for posting this bit of reality.

[Quixote1818]

52. This is interesting. Just looked up the first thing listed

Arkansas schools were "at the bottom of the barrel" when Hillary Clinton left Arkansas for Washington, Lazio said. That caused her to respond, "I'm not here to defend Arkansas. I'm here to run for the Senate to represent New York."

"But that's your record," responded Lazio.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/27/ny.debate/index.html


If she made Arkansas schools into such great roll models, why didn't she defend Lazio's attack?

So, Arkansas was #50 in Public Schools. What was it after she left? I searched all over the place and couldn't find the results.

Anyway, after just looking up the first thing on this list. It seems like they embellished things in a big way. What a big surprise.

[Radical Activist]

54. "she devoted herself to work on civil rights instead of partying and taking drugs."

I'm sorry that some people have the mistaken impression that this is an either/or decision.
Is that one an accomplishment or some kind of snide slam at Obama?

[Radical Activist]

55. Hydrogen vehicles are a coal industry distraction and Obama has a better LCV rating.

I guess if you want someone with a less impressive environmental record than Obama then that's your choice.

[ProSense]

57. Note the list doesn't include helped to "create" and "design" SCHIP, opposed NAFTA

because those would be false.

They would be a part of the pattern of lies and distortion that have characterized Hillary's campaign.

Obama's record is equal or better on many of those issues, minus the lies.

[Quixote1818]

58. I agree. nt

[Eric Condon]

61. Lemme guess, the e-mail ended with "pass this on to 10 DUers and ur crush will fall in love with u."

nt

[Sinistrous]

63. If anybody is interested in the source for this list..........

Go here: http://www.ontheissues.org/

There are data bases for all the major candidates available on that site.

Sinistrous

[FlyingSquirrel]

64. I only need one reason to vote for her.

She's not McCain. But fortunately I will not need to vote for her.

[TheDonkey]

65. Excellent list, sounds like a great women but unfortunately her lying and sliming spoils the stew

[Bonobo]

67. Great thread!! K&R

[JeffR]

68. K & R

While I hope she doesn't win the nom - and I'm pretty sure she can't at this late stage - it's nice to see a positive post about the senator. Good on you for posting this.