Breaking: Clinton's "outraged PA voter" ad actually has an outraged voter from NJ!!!

[mckeown1128]

She can't even put up an ad without lying... What a stupid mistake for her campaign to make. How can she run the country when her campaign can't even grab 4 actual PA supporters to do a commercial?


At least one of her supporters featured in the spot hammering Obama for his small town comments isn’t registered to vote in Pennsylvania.
Clyde Thomas, who sports a goatee in the ad and says, “the good people of Pennsylvania deserve a lot better than what Barack Obama said,” is actually registered in New Jersey. He voted there for Clinton Feb. 5. He only recently moved to Bethlehem, Pa.

Thomas said he was born in Scranton, but has lived his entire life in Somerville, N.J. He is a 46-year-old unemployed environmental engineer.

He said he has been volunteering for the campaign in recent weeks, handing out literature and making phone calls. He said the campaign approached him about appearing in the ad, which was filmed in Bethlehem, a city of about 72,000 residents in eastern Pennsylvania where Bethlehem Steel once stood tall.

Asked about the fact that Thomas isn’t registered in Pennsylvania, Clinton campaign spokesman Mark Nevins said: “Clyde has deep roots in Pennsylvania and is moving back to the state after having voted in New Jersey in their primary for Hillary Clinton.”

I love the spin... "he has lived in New Jersey his whole life... but he is moving back to his roots... so it's ok... because he has become a Pennsylvanian for like 3 weeks.

[BattyDem]

1. How difficult would it have been to find four, lifelong Pennsylvanians for a commericial?

There's over 12 million people in PA!

[Lucky 13]

35. Apparently finding 4 Pennsylvanians that agree with this bullshit IS pretty hard.

WHY do they keep making BONEHEADED mistakes? Not that I'm complaining. We barely have to do anything and she shoots herself in the foot!

[PoliticalAmazon]

76. And we see today's torpedoing of her own campaign by Hillary Clinton....

...She cannot continue in this race. Her campaign is as organized as ferrets in a cardboard box. This is NOT leadership.

Worse, people are starting to laugh at her now and, by extension, laugh at the Democratic Party and its voters. THis is NOT good for the GE. She needs to leave now.

[Texas Hill Country]

2. somerville is a stones throw from PA and the guy lives in PA now. dumb criticism, but stupid to do.

[JPZenger]

3. Somerville is one hour from PA

Somerville is not a "stone's throw" from PA. It is an hour away in average traffic.

[Texas Hill Country]

9. for most of the country, that is a stones throw. and i live in NJ for a long time. I know where

somerville is.

In TX, I drive 45 mins to go to a friends house.

[Tesha]

46. And *THAT* explains what's wrong with America!

> In TX, I drive 45 mins to go to a friends house.

And *THAT* explains a lot about what's wrong with America!

Tesha

[Swamp Rat]

68. LOL!

[karynnj]

75. That makes you an Olympic worthy stone thrower

By your definition over half of NJ is a "stone's throw away from PA". I guess the other half is a stone's throw away from NY - though part of the state is a stone's throw away from both.

[PoliticalAmazon]

89. But he doesn't live in PA, and can't vote in PA....

....They ran a negative ad, and it is very bad to have something wrong in This is another example of Hillary Clinton's inability to run her campaign. Worse, this is at least the fourth example of this problem, and it is apparent that the campaign staff she put together can't even learn from their mistakes.

This is NOT evidence of good leadership skills. Can you imagine what Hillary and her bunch of loons would do if she was president? They'd make Bush Jr look competent.

[mckeown1128]

4. The point isn't the how close this guy lived to PA...

the point is that her "concerned Pennsylvanians" ad is full of sh$t. Yeah they are so concerned that she had to use her own campaign volunteers to "be outraged."

[Hepburn]

41. Exactly....

...the ad promoted something false. Even if the guy lived across the PA border by one inch...that still does not make him a Pennsylvanian ~~ as promoted in her ad.

[MadBadger]

5. Your from Texas, I'm from NJ, dont act like you know what you're talking about because you don't

Somerville is smack in the middle of NJ and is a good deals drive away from PA, probably about an hour.

[Texas Hill Country]

7. I lived in Perth Amboy, NJ for a long time, and 1 hour drive is not far at all.

[JPZenger]

15. Chemical plant capital of the world - that explains alot

I love the smell of Perth-Amboy in the morning. It is the smell of ....

[Texas Hill Country]

50. it does, doesnt it. :-)

[rch35]

71. i agree it was a stupid thing to do, but since when is an hour a good deals drive? nt

[LostinVA]

100. You're from Jersey?

So am I.

[Lucky 13]

45. As someone who as been involved with local and state campaigns...

... I can tell you that it's not a dumb criticism. Regardless of which state you are talking about, people don't like outsiders coming into their state and trying to influence the vote. People tend to take exception to that. If you say that someone is "one of you" they sure as hell better be.

I live in Burlington VT. Just across the lake from NY State and I'd be PISSED if someone tried to pass off a New Yorker as a Vermonter just to make a commercial. There are plenty of other PA voters... find one of them to insert into the commercial.

[Hepburn]

49. Excellent point....

...because IMO it smacks of a campaign trying to manipulate locals with outsiders.

:hi:

[mkultra]

65. he works for her campaign and voted in the NJ primary

Now he says that he "moved" to PA.

[AllentownJake]

90. If your from PA

being compared to NJ is an insult...ever here of the term "Jersey Driver"

[papau]

6. Josh Drobnyk the reporter is an Obama supporter posting to blogs and Myspace

[mckeown1128]

14. So what if he is an Obama supporter....

The Clinton campaign confirmed that the "concerned voter" is from NJ. Don't attack the source just because you don't like the story.

[Hepburn]

44. Does this therefore make the guy from NJ really a guy from PA?

:eyes:

[mkultra]

66. he quotes the guy AND the clinton staffer

[reflection]

8. I live in TN

but my PA values tell me BO is the man. :)

[knixphan]

10. I'm a New Yorker living in Los Angeles

But my PA roots are deep, and they're all Obama!

[Lautremont]

11. I humbly suggest that this is a complete non-issue.

I shrug violently in this scandal's direction. There's plenty more interesting stuff to charge the disastrous Clinton Campaign with.

[ORDem]

57. Just like so-called "bitter-gate" is also a non-issue. n/t

:eyes:

[powergirl]

12. Don't you think the lady with the curly hair (in the ad) looks like Wasserman-Schultz?

I'm serious here. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is a Florida Rep who is a huge Clinton supporter. That lady looks and sounds a lot like her. I wonder if it's her sister or cousin or something. Let me know if you think this is crazy. But I've been wondering about this for a couple of days. The lady is about 10 seconds into the ad You can see her here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/man-in-clintons-bitter-ad_n_96939.html

And compare it to Wasserman-Schultz here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Wasserman_Schultz


:tinfoilhat:

[TheDoorbellRang]

31. They DO look alike

OMG! They're cloning supporters now!11!!:tinfoilhat:

No, seriously. That is strange. Wonder if they ARE related.

[powergirl]

Okay, just had to check myself

I just wanted to make sure I'm not crazy. Thankyou for that affirmation. But I'm still paranoid about this one!

:tinfoilhat:

[Bensthename]

13. Sounds like another 3am commercial where the girl is an Obama supporter.

[Nickster]

16. Wasn't there some early criticism about all the terrible Illinois people flooding into Iowa to help

Obama? Seem to remember something like that....

[democrattotheend]

83. Yeah, but they were not pretending to be Iowa voters

The issue here is that if people in PA were really as outraged as the ad suggests, they should have had no trouble finding 4 registered PA voters to do the ad.

[ShortnFiery]

17. We need to send this to KO and/or Dan Abrams? eom

[Tellurian]

19. Read the article S&F...

your comrade is making a fool of you..don't fall for it! :hi:

[mckeown1128]

24. Fall for what?!? nt

[Tellurian]

86. The fellow in the article was born in PA...

which means his family more than likely resides there even though he may have moved away. And like Hillary, he visited family back and forth over summer vacations and holidays..Jackass!

[PoliticalAmazon]

87. But he doesn't LIVE in PA. He can't VOTE in PA. This is another example...

...of Clinton's inability to run her campaign. This is at least the fourth instance of her staff not vetting these things thoroughly before using them in an ad against Obama.

You would think that, after the problems they've had with this, they would be uber-careful now. Apparently not. They don't seem to be learning from their mistakes, and this has me VERY concerned about Hillary being anywhere near the Oval Office.

When you go negative in an ad, EVERYTHING in that ad has to be perfect. Otherwise, you risk having more harm done to your own campaign than to your target.

Either they couldn't find a third happy-as-a-lark PA voter, or they didn't vet this one thoroughly. Either way, it is NOT a good reflection on Hillary, her campaign, and her ability to hold a leadership position.

[Tellurian]

18. Not a shred of integrity in one Obama supporter.. The man is a PA resident..

you can read something "real" and worthwhile here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5528246

[mckeown1128]

21. I am going to go out on a limb and say that...

You can't call yourself a PA resident untill you are registered to vote or even able to register to vote....

Has this guy even been in PA long enough to have gotten his license changed over yet?

[ErinBerin84]

22. I posted a thread about this too

I don't think anyone is implying that he doesn't live in PA (now), or treating it as if it is some HUGE scandal. It's just one of those dumb human interest stories, I wouldn't be too offended by it, or use it as an opportunity to slam "Obama's supporters' integrity". Jeeze.

[mkultra]

61. he works for her campaign

And he just moved from NJ according to him. but he voted in the NJ primary.

[mkultra]

67. your just lying like her now arent you.

watch out man, that crap doesn't come off.

[Botany]

20. He is a freaking campaign worker and voted in New Jersey?

Well it must be the SNIPER FIRE that got him confused because
he lost his job because of NAFTA and how do we know his script
was not PLAGIARIZED from somebody who was from NORTHEN
IRELAND ... I wonder if he watched video of REV WRIGHT ON FOX
or read about it in RICHARD MELLON SCAIFE'S NEWSPAPER?


One more lie from Team Clinton .... the guy voted in New Jersey
and works for Clinton.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

23. Repeat: A campaign worker! From Jersey!

:rofl:

[Botany]

25. But @ least he is not a sexist.

I predict that ad will be pulled ASAP.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

28. I think it was one of her famous "Play Me, MSM" ads.

Stir the shit, let media play your commercial for free.

[zulchzulu]

26. It's a non-issue like "Bittergate", hence I hope it becomes an "issue"

The whole thing is bullshit, so if the Hillbot Factory forgot to check out the asswipe on the commercial...good!

Paging all MSM puppets! You have a NEW STORY!

:rofl:

[PoliticalAmazon]

94. This would be true if there wasn't a consistent pattern of poorly managed...

...campaign staff making mistakes on a continual basis. Worse, they do not appear to be able to learn from their mistakes. This is both poor staff selection and poor staff management, and Hillary is responsible for that.

[wowimthere]

27. K&R It figures her campaign would lie and distort. Her whole campaign is about lies and distortions

[BzaDem]

29. Um, I'm sorry, did the ad say he was a LIFE-LONG Pennsylvanian?

Oh, no? OK.

[Hepburn]

47. So that makes it OK for him to be called a concerned Pennsylvanian...

...whereas the truth is that he is a NJ Clinton campaign worker who voted for HRC in NJ and who just recently moved to PA.

Yep...nothing like the smell of truth...:sarcasm:

[powergirl]

30. Couldn't she find someone in Pennsylvania to do that ad?

This is so careless. The polling is obvious that there are many folks who support her in PA. More than Obama. Is this how she would run the country - by delegating tasks to a bunch of nimrods? That is what Bush did. We don't need anymore of that crap. Help me people! Let's get Obama in there to clean this up!

[sunnystarr]

32. The larger point is that he's a campaign worker ..

and if he is then you can bet that all of those PA voters in the ad were all pulled from her campaign staff.

[Armstead]

40. BINGO

The fact that the "man on the street" (women on the street) reactions were actually just campaign workers who are already dedicated to Hillary give the whole thing a rotten and deceptive tinge to it.

While one would not expect a campaign ad to include negative comments about the sponsoring candidate, at least they could have selected honest reactions from peopel not already involved in her campaign.

[NatBurner]

56. ^^

[thewiseguy]

33. How can he have deep roots in Pennsylvania?

The guy has lived in NewJersey his whole life. He just moved to Penn very recently. Plus he had voted already for Hillary in Feb?

This is just careless.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

34. Recently moving to a state and claiming roots?

Who does that remind you of?

[invictus]

36. K & R

[Life Long Dem]

37. No surprise here. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

38. "Born in SCRANTON, recently moved to BETHLEHEM" (those are places in Pennsylvania, fyi.)

More desperation from the BO BS cult.

[Botany]

63. So this is now Barack Obama's supporters fault?

You have now really jumped the shark.



The man voted in New Jersey, the man lived most all of his
life in New Jersery, the man is working for the Clinton Campaign,
and now are we going to find out that the rest of the "concerned
PA citizens about Barack's San Francisco speech" were all working
for Clinton?

[Hepburn]

39. It just goes on...

...another day, another falsehood from the Clinton campaign.

[cliffordu]

42. "My name is Hillary Clinton, and I approved this message..."

EVERYTHING these people touch turns to shit.

:rofl:

[burythehatchet]

43. No authenticity, ever. This astro-rage campaign is painful to watch.

Not even all of her corporate media toadies can float this boat. The good ship Hillary - rest in pieces.

[ClassWarrior]

51. Authenticity is key. Info here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5523076&mesg_id=5523076

Please K&R it...

NGU.

[Writer]

48. Oh no... not neighboring New Jersey!!!

:eyes:

[mkultra]

62. oh no, not working for the campaign and just "moved" days ago

[Jonathan2000]

82. Next week, he will have just "moved" to West Virginia

[AllentownJake]

96. We actually

Hate being compared to NJ than Ohio here.

[anonymous171]

52. Put that on an ad "Clinton's out of state actors are trying to tell YOU how to think"

[Bigleaf]

53. Ed Schultz is talking about this right now.

listen here:

http://www.am760.net/pages/listenonline.html

[suston96]

54. Desperation? Scraping the bottom of the barrel? How close is New Jersey to Pennsylvania? nt

[AllentownJake]

97. Point is

PA residents hate being compared to NJ...it would have been better if he had moved from CA.

[suston96]

99. A best friend from south Jersey had the same accent as people from Philly.....They are close....

[Orsino]

55. This is not her lie.

This is her staff's. Oh, I know the responsibility is hers, but come on--we don't expect a candidate to vet personally everyone who appears in a commercial.

[mkultra]

64. you let bush off for teh WMD stuff too?

[Orsino]

74. Real conspiracies are worth investigating and prosecuting.

Imagining that Hillary planned to lie about this is silly.

[mckeown1128]

79. this isn't a lie... it's incomitence...

after the 3A.M. ad girl... they should have known better. They should have known to check the background of their "outraged Pennsylvanians" in their attack ad.

[Orsino]

84. Right. No conspiracy.

And certainly not by Clinton.

[mkultra]

88. Its less a lie and more general dishonesty

They whipped up an attack ad with people that where to appear to be PA folks. It then turns out that one of these people works for her and may not even live in PA. Its not a "conspiracy" as it inst far reaching, it isnt a lie because its implied, it is instead an attempt to mislead through perception.

General dishonesty would be the term i would use. Accident would not be.

[PoliticalAmazon]

93. It is Hillary's fault. She is the leader of the Campaign that Can't Shoot Straight....

...Honest to gawd, this is like a bad Don Knotts movie.

This is at least the fourth occasion where information and people were not vetted, and her campaign STILL hasn't learned from it's past 3 mistakes?!?

This time it's especailly bad because it was in an attack ad. You DON'T make mistakes in attack ads because there is a good likelihood that you will suffer more than your target.

This reflects badly on her skills as a leader, especially her choice of key staff, and her ability to ensure quality control throughout the organization by maintaining waulity management at the higher levels.

This is how bad they are: they are looking Bush Jr's staff look COMPETENT.

[dansolo]

102. It absolutely is her lie

What do you think the point of the "I approved this message" at the beginning or end of all campaign commercials? It eliminates plausible deniability.

[Orsino]

103. That makes it her responsibility.

It doesn't mean she had anything to do with the writing, casting or production.

[futureliveshere]

58. This would be a small matter if it were not for the MESSAGE of this ad

I am in NJ and though an hour is not admittedly a very large distance, it is enough to rubbish the claims of DEEP roots. But more importantly the ad was supposed to portray RURAL UNBIASED PENNSYLVANIANS who were outraged. Thats where the ad falls flat when you use a person who has moved in recently from another state and is a CAMPAIGN worker to boot.

BAH!! WHEN WILL THIS STOP!!!

[Egnever]

59. Complete idiocy.

This campaign is run by fools. She has no business anywhere near the white house with a campaign run this poorly.

[mkultra]

60. I guess that guy really knows PA voters.

[Jonathan2000]

69. Somerville is closer to NYC than PA

He would be getting NY media rather than Philly/PA media.

[redqueen]

70. Anybody shocked?

Anyone?

*sigh*

Her campaign is so flipping sad. I cannot understand why ANYONE would want to set those clowns against the GOP machine in the fall.

[Catherina]

72. More carpetbagging? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell ya. n/t

[tabasco]

73. WTF? People want this lady to run their COUNTRY???

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[Vinca]

77. If this is an example of the competency of her staff,

her administration would be as bad as Shrub's.

[BumRushDaShow]

78. So will the pundits call her on this?

Of course not. :eyes:

[SoCalDem]

80. Did he register in PA? Does he plan to vote for her AGAIN??

Is that legal??

[mkultra]

91. he indicated that he plans on registering in PA

and voting for her in the GE

[joeglow3]

81. Bleh.

Who really cares about this kind of crap? Really, not a big deal.

[lisa58]

85. Funny...

...the night when this ad came out Pat Buchanan was on Dan Abrams and Abrams asked him where they got these people so fast and Buchanan laughed and said, "campaign headquarters".

[SKKY]

92. Who's driving the clown car that is the Clinton Campaign???

:wtf: How we're even considering this woman is beyond me.

[PoliticalAmazon]

95. And that says it all. n/t

[Hepburn]

98. She cannot run a campaign...

...and she is begging us to let her run a nation?

Ummmmm....no!

[David Zephyr]

101. Once again the Clintons step on their own dick.

LOL!